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slimon11 -> Disney danger (6/21/2008 12:48:37 AM)

I see we have some disney fans here. I agree that I have yet to watch a Disney movie that isn't totally entertaining but, as a Christian, I am not feeling so comfortable with Disney anymore.

For example, in the movies Brother Bear I & II, they are praying to other gods/spirits. I recently went to Disneyland, so many shows, like the Tiki room show, made references to other gods, the god of rain, etc.

All the princess movies, have a man saving the woman with true love's kiss coming from a man, not love coming from Jesus.

Do you think it is okay for young children to watch these movies? Does anyone feel me here? Or do you think I am being too serious?



jodavi -> RE: Disney danger (6/21/2008 8:54:05 AM)

I'll be the first to jump on this thread. Like any other things in life....if a Disney movie convicts you....yes...then don't watch-- it's like some people feels convicted watching a PG 13 movie and some just feels convicted watching any movie at all. Is it okay for children to watch movies like this? Let me see....when I was growing up, I used to watch Casper the friendly ghost, did I think that it was all wrong? As a child then, I just thought Casper was a cutie little white fluff who needed a friend. Will I let my child watch Casper now? He'll probably laugh at it. I don't know, personally, there are things in my walk in faith that are more important than what's on a Disney movie but then that's just for me.



amybreit -> RE: Disney danger (6/21/2008 9:50:32 AM)

I agree with jodavi! If you are convicted not to watch something or not to let your children watch, then you shouldn't! Personally, I figure my kids will be exposed to many things that go against what we believe. I take the opportunity to point out how we believe something really different than that. Now that they are older, they will often point it out themselves.



raspberry331 -> RE: Disney danger (6/21/2008 10:56:54 AM)

I know I've posted some posts about Disney movies,but all in all I do not watch Disney movies.I've seen some of the older ones like Little Mermaid,Beauty and the Beast,Lion King. But honestly,I wasn't into them. Just watched them. I can't watch them over and over like others. I have not seen any the newer ones. My favorite is Toy Story 2. I agree with the other posters,if you feel something isn't right to watch,then don't let your kids watch it.



colliefan -> RE: Disney danger (6/21/2008 11:56:36 AM)

One thing to watch for in the Disney and other animated fllms is the radical enivromentalism in the films. But rather than "throw the baby out with the bathwater" there is a need to explain why the message of the movie differs from your own views.


Deut 6:6 - 9 (ESV) 6And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. 7You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. Deuteronomy 6 8You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. 9You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.



slimon11 -> RE: Disney danger (6/21/2008 6:21:38 PM)

Good evening all, thanks for your thoughts. I did some research last night, found the follwing link. It lists some books that might be helpful when talking to kids about these movies.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/commentaries/gospeltruthaboutdisney.html



BlackCapnHarlock -> RE: Disney danger (6/21/2008 7:04:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slimon11

I see we have some disney fans here. I agree that I have yet to watch a Disney movie that isn't totally entertaining but, as a Christian, I am not feeling so comfortable with Disney anymore.

For example, in the movies Brother Bear I & II, they are praying to other gods/spirits. I recently went to Disneyland, so many shows, like the Tiki room show, made references to other gods, the god of rain, etc.

All the princess movies, have a man saving the woman with true love's kiss coming from a man, not love coming from Jesus.

Do you think it is okay for young children to watch these movies? Does anyone feel me here? Or do you think I am being too serious?


You are WAY TOO LEGALISTIC and need to take a chill bro . .. . if you want to guard your kids from the eeeevil that's disney, that's on you, but your view is legalistic and a bit over drawn in my opinion.



Miss Giggles -> RE: Disney danger (6/21/2008 7:12:26 PM)

I think some people get on a kick reading too much into things, then they shouldn't be watching any tv or movies.

the muppets and looney toons have just as much objectionable content if you want to start analyzing those too.



slimon11 -> RE: Disney danger (6/22/2008 11:45:40 AM)

Good Morning all, I hope you are having a good Sunday.

I guess you could say I “get a kick” out of reading into things; personally, I like to view it that God wired me that way. I pick a part movies, books, advice without a second thought. I didn’t pick a part things before I was Christian. I think it is just that once I read the bible through (after being born again ) part of me remembers what I’ve read in the bible. I can’t always recall exactly what scripture that aligns with my current situation but, a bad feeling comes over me regarding certain things, like red flags.

The bible does say:
Philippians 4:8

8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Well, if I see something I know is not in line with what I know to be true, then I don’t usually like it. I am easily turned off by things I believe are stuck in the world, somethings more than others... I am not saying Disney should be banned or that I am even going to stop being a fan but, I am going to continue to be unusally aware of red flags in children’s movies and books.

I know I must function in the world and be open to things outside of His kingdom to fulfill my purpose, but, doesn’t mean I have to like everything I see.

What I love about this forum is that you get diverse posts from our diverse body. There is always one of you on each thread that posts the answer I already have in my heart; I don’t have the words I am looking for, or, I need to be reminded of those words...On this thread, the answer I needed was yours, Collifan.

Since I may be a little of subject, I am going to ask some further questions in the general faith section. I would love to hear your responses.



uncabeeil -> RE: Disney danger (6/23/2008 10:11:33 AM)

Maybe we need to build big walls all around us to shut out everything. Then we'll be safe from the evil world of animated animals and toys. [8|]



Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: Disney danger (6/23/2008 11:25:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Miss Giggles

I think some people get on a kick reading too much into things, then they shouldn't be watching any tv or movies.

the muppets and looney toons have just as much objectionable content if you want to start analyzing those too.

We were watching Tom and Jerry, the old version not this new one that is boring. The cat was trying to beat up the mouse and the mouse was getting the cat good. I am watching this and I am in shock at how violent it is. It all of the sudden struck me how some in the media make a huge deal on violent video games and movies. We watched tom and Jerry as well as Road Runner etc that were very violent by today's standards yet we turned out ok.



horsepill -> RE: Disney danger (6/23/2008 11:45:44 PM)

The same with the Three Stooges. My brother and I watched those guys all throughout our childhood and also we basically turned out ok, with no tendencies to mimic them. But if you were to analyze their behavior, it's pretty rough, the way they acted towards one another. To us it was just silly, goofy, outrageous hilarity.



kernsfamily -> RE: Disney danger (6/24/2008 9:09:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slimon11

I see we have some disney fans here. I agree that I have yet to watch a Disney movie that isn't totally entertaining but, as a Christian, I am not feeling so comfortable with Disney anymore.

For example, in the movies Brother Bear I & II, they are praying to other gods/spirits. I recently went to Disneyland, so many shows, like the Tiki room show, made references to other gods, the god of rain, etc.

All the princess movies, have a man saving the woman with true love's kiss coming from a man, not love coming from Jesus.

Do you think it is okay for young children to watch these movies? Does anyone feel me here? Or do you think I am being too serious?


There are ALWAYS going to be kids movies (Disney or not) that some people are going to take "issue" with.

Then, what about "Cars" (fabulous movie....terrific "moral to the story")......"Nemo" (great father/son movie)....."The Rookie" (another great one)...."Remember the Titans".....

and, there are many others...

if I were to look, i am sure there are some "Christian-labeled" films and such that I wouldn't let my kids watch, either....

Disney films NEVER did = Christian movie......but, there are far too many GOOD movies in their catalogue to just ditch the entire company....



techne -> RE: Disney danger (6/24/2008 10:39:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slimon11
The bible does say: Philippians 4:8

8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

(on a side note:

oddly, and despite how this passage is usually interpreted, there is not a single negative command in the passage. it is an entirely positive injunction, directing us towards what we should engage and embrace, i.e. whatever is true, whatever is noble, etc, etc and think on those things.



freakofnature -> RE: Disney danger (6/24/2008 10:46:41 AM)

quote:

Maybe we need to build big walls all around us to shut out everything. Then we'll be safe from the evil world of animated animals and toys.


And move the main branch to Texas! Oh! Wait, that has been played out already.

If you look for evil, you will find it since the world is full of it! And as to the OP, I hope and pray that you don't over do it with your children, they may grow up to regret it and dispise you. Many children have grown up in homes of very strict and devout Christians and also pastors children, and they end up leaving the church. Try to be open with your children you can't sheild them from everything, you can equip them with biblical principles and pray that this leads them to the correct path, but I guarantee if you over do it, you will cause them to become rebellious.

As far as Disney movies themselves go, the world we live in now is becoming more and more secular at about every turn. Watch the movies with your children it may be the only time you get to spend with them.



Elena1030 -> RE: Disney danger (10/15/2008 8:32:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slimon11

I guess you could say I “get a kick” out of reading into things; personally, I like to view it that God wired me that way. I pick a part movies, books, advice without a second thought. I didn’t pick a part things before I was Christian. I think it is just that once I read the bible through (after being born again ) part of me remembers what I’ve read in the bible. I can’t always recall exactly what scripture that aligns with my current situation but, a bad feeling comes over me regarding certain things, like red flags.

...

Well, if I see something I know is not in line with what I know to be true, then I don’t usually like it. I am easily turned off by things I believe are stuck in the world, somethings more than others... I am not saying Disney should be banned or that I am even going to stop being a fan but, I am going to continue to be unusally aware of red flags in children’s movies and books.

I know I must function in the world and be open to things outside of His kingdom to fulfill my purpose, but, doesn’t mean I have to like everything I see.



Well, sounds like you are going to be well prepared to teach your kids to critique things from a biblical worldview, thus fulfilling Deuteronomy 6:6-7 ---> seize those "teachable moments" with your kids.

Scriptures to help with aspects of pagan religions showing up in Disney (or other) films:
Yahweh is the only God: Isaiah 44:6 and Isaiah 45:5 (as just a start).
Jesus Christ is the only Savior: Acts 4:12.


The danger isn't so much the Disney-produced films. The danger is that we be lacksadaisical about holding their content up to God's plumbline ... and then feeding more upon entertainments than on the Word (ugh... I'm guilty of that, myself). So.... we need to equip ourselves and our children to think biblically, Christianly.



MusicianDad -> RE: Disney danger (10/15/2008 9:36:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: horsepill

The same with the Three Stooges.


I personally believe part of the downfall of our society stems from the lack of interest in the Three Stooges by todays youth. [;)]

"You like plants?'
"Sure"
"Here's a palm" WHACK
"Oh, oh, oh!"

Seriously though, the danger posed by Disney is pretty mild compared to what most kids face in the public schools. If you can't teach you kids to think through some of the whacky ideas in pop culture, I hope you don't ever let them out of the house.



rockitd -> RE: Disney danger (10/17/2008 1:04:59 PM)

I love Disney and have passed it on to my 5 year old. At the same time, I explained to her about our stance against Halloween, so we avoid shows like Wizards of Wavery Place because of the whole "spells" thing they do on a regular and movies like Halloween Town, Twitches, and such.

As long as we emphasize make believe vs. the power of God, we'll be okay. There is a real fine line - especially with the infusion of new age-ism. While The Lion King had the whole thing about the "circle of life", I was quick to utilize the message of sacrifice (ala Mufasa) and knowing who you are within.



small_creation -> RE: Disney danger (10/17/2008 11:13:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leslie_JnJs_mom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Miss Giggles

I think some people get on a kick reading too much into things, then they shouldn't be watching any tv or movies.

the muppets and looney toons have just as much objectionable content if you want to start analyzing those too.

We were watching Tom and Jerry, the old version not this new one that is boring. The cat was trying to beat up the mouse and the mouse was getting the cat good. I am watching this and I am in shock at how violent it is. It all of the sudden struck me how some in the media make a huge deal on violent video games and movies. We watched tom and Jerry as well as Road Runner etc that were very violent by today's standards yet we turned out ok.


I can relate. The older Looney Toons and Tom and Jerrys are popular in our house. The children love these, and yes, they are much more physical/violent than the current cartoons.

So many of today's cartoons push social AGENDAs especially like environmentalism. The older ones simply are "good guy against bad guy," and almost every kid instinctively reacts to this, just like every kid instinctively loves a good fart joke -- over and over and over again. [&:] Look at today's Spongebob. No real social engineering there, but he never hits or assaults the other characters (unless it's during play). He just contorts his own body in crazy ways to get the laughs.

If anything, and if cartoons have any lasting effect on our children's futures, I think the current cartoons encourage our kids to stay in their bubbles and to be careful not to interact with each other -- you might offend. The older cartoons said, "You want to interact? Let's get to it." And they did!

For another blast from the past, watch Davey and Goliath. I grew up watching these on Sunday mornings. Recently I watched them again and can't believe that a television station was on board with promoting these overtly Christian values. And the parents in the cartoons are cross and raising their voices at the children, just like normal people do, instead of being afraid of stepping on their children's self esteem. So different from today's overly calm (so unrealistic!) cartoon parents.

j



Death_Venom -> RE: Disney danger (10/23/2008 3:22:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slimon11

I see we have some disney fans here. I agree that I have yet to watch a Disney movie that isn't totally entertaining but, as a Christian, I am not feeling so comfortable with Disney anymore.

For example, in the movies Brother Bear I & II, they are praying to other gods/spirits. I recently went to Disneyland, so many shows, like the Tiki room show, made references to other gods, the god of rain, etc.

All the princess movies, have a man saving the woman with true love's kiss coming from a man, not love coming from Jesus.

Do you think it is okay for young children to watch these movies? Does anyone feel me here? Or do you think I am being too serious?


I know you are being serious but you need to instruct your children in the difference in fantasy and fact. The other to bear in mind before you judge these products is that the stories are incorporating the myths and legeneds of the times they were written in. I have ZERO issue with my kids watching Disney movies. I was raised on them and I did not turn be a pagan-LOL.

Disney will NEVER promote anything that would directly tie it any religious institution. In the case of Brother Bear (one of their lesser works IMO) the "spirits" are part of the American Indian culture and are needed to tell the tale.



Scraggles6 -> RE: Disney danger (10/31/2008 9:00:30 AM)

Speaking for myself - I love the Disney movies. I have a teenager
who still loves to watch them (she was watching Pochantas last week).
As tv and movies go - I think the Disney movies are pretty good.



MusicianDad -> RE: Disney danger (10/31/2008 9:32:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Death_Venom

I was raised on them and I did not turn be a pagan-LOL.



Not only that, but look at the cool insights you gained. I mean, if you ever get ship wrecked on a deserted island, you'll know how to make a killer tree house, you'll be the first to capture, break and ride a zebra, and if pirates attack, you chase them off by rolling logs down a hill at them! [;)]



stellaluna -> RE: Disney danger (10/31/2008 11:47:39 AM)

I personally don't have a problem "The Circle of Life." It's true, after all, that there is a food chain in the animal kingdom and it is circular. Meh.



Limulus -> RE: Disney danger (10/31/2008 11:48:40 AM)

Disney has always pushed magic, sorcery, etc. I have seen their movies before and after I got saved. After being saved, I now have the discernment to know that stuff is not biblical, it is secular. If you are watching it with a child, it would be a good idea to explain some things to them. Just like I would not want my child to believe in or follow Santa or the Easter Bunny.

Yes, I will still go watch Disney movies for entertainment purposes. If I was going to hide from secular entertainment completely, I would need to live in a cardboard box with no holes and wear earplugs. The secular world is all around us, but we can be a light in the world.

You could also use your knowledge of those movies to witness. For example, what really happened to Pocahontas.

"An English minister, Alexander Whitaker, taught her about Christianity and helped to improve her English. After she was baptized, her name was changed to Rebecca." Quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas



Tinkerbell_ -> RE: Disney danger (10/31/2008 11:57:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stellaluna

I personally don't have a problem "The Circle of Life." It's true, after all, that there is a food chain in the animal kingdom and it is circular. Meh.

Very true.

Sometimes I think people LOOK for something to be wrong when there is really nothing there. Disney has never come out and say "These are WONDERFUL Christian examples for your family to follow!" Their primary goal is to entertain and entertain they will.

My kids and I read and watch just about everything from Harry Potter to Fairly Odd Parents, to Winnie the Pooh. We also discuss EVERYTHING we read or watch. I make sure my kids know the difference between not only reality and fiction, but Christianity and the secular world.

If you want to spot something evil in your cereal box, I'm sure if you look long and hard enough, you'll find it. ZIP! No more cereal for Junior. [8|]



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