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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/23/2008 11:15:25 PM
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Sideways
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ORIGINAL: Kath
As far as I can tell the first 'stalking' thread was created in Sept 07, not even a year.
If these stalking threads are a bad idea, then why weren't they stopped in Sept. 07? Why were they allowed to go on for 9 months, then shut off in the span of an afternoon?
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/23/2008 11:16:44 PM
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solo_soprano22
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ORIGINAL: daughter_of_faith
I can think of a few threads that are more of a PFY thread; however, they were not touched....nor should they be. Ie: one lady is going to have a hysterectomy in a few months...that's watching the journey of how she's going through her last pregnancy and then going to have childbearing taken away. Another woman found out she had cancer and so some have been following her through that thread. What's the difference?
We are here to encourage one another and to build one up. If it is a PERSONAL woman's issue...it SHOULD go in a folder with the other women's personal issues...whether a sub-folder or whatever. I don't think any man wants to read about a woman having a hysterectomy or her daily mucous report or stitching up a vaginal tear, etc. That's a woman's "private" intimate issue. What about a private "intimate" board? In another forum site, we have that...and people can choose to go read in the threads or not....
I think what they're saying is that individual threads for every individual woman was not what it was meant for. I think the volume/space the individual threads took up might be a part of it... and like they said, they didn't mean for the forum to be used for that purpose. You can discuss all of that without individual threads and they'd be kept in the personal folder. I know we'd requested a subforum, but the need at the time wasn't seen. Maybe that will change with all this.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/23/2008 11:33:35 PM
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PrincessDonna
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Ladies, I'm posting as a woman and a friend of most of you right now, not as a moderator.
I think your points have been made and it has been stated that Fritz will not be in until tomorrow to see them all. Perhaps it's time to stop posting on the topic (unless there is a new point that hasn't been covered??) and just wait on the decision or at least wait until more feedback is requested. You've made your voices heard...now lets just wait and pray, okay?
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/23/2008 11:37:53 PM
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I'll agree with you Donna ... it's getting late and these extra emotions are draining!! So we don't all end up stalking *this* thread in the morning, what time is Fritz usually around -- time zone as well??!?!?
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/23/2008 11:40:32 PM
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PrincessDonna
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what time is Fritz usually around -- time zone as well??!?!?
I have no idea. He may even have the day off tomorrow, who knows? (I have enough trouble keeping track of my OWN schedule!)
But the longer this thread is and the more round and round it goes, the longer it will take to read it also. Many points have been made already, so let's give him a chance to consider those and respond, KWIM?
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 7:18:27 AM
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As far as I can tell the first 'stalking' thread was created in Sept 07, not even a year. This is not something that has been going on since the forums opened.
just to clear up the time line......
....I am the one that started the first thread for "stalking" (or what actually led to what it is now), and it was when Jessica's water broke early and there was not a prayer thread. It happened in the middle of the night and since I was in Germany most over in the US/CAN time zones were still asleep and didn't know what was going on with Jessica. So I asked mods (Kath actually I think) and was told I could start a "Pray for Jessica and baby" thread. Because of the information in the thread (ie-personal, not for mixed discussion) I was told that it needed to be in WO-PI. It took off from there because women found that it was so much easier to get the pertinent information related to that person's personal struggles and keep them all straight.
I can't give you a time line for when that first one was started, but Jessica I am sure remembers exactly when it was started as it's about her child. However I can give you a general time line....it was when I lived in Germany, so it was at least a year and a half ago since I moved from there 16 months ago.
and as someone who's thread was deleted, let me tell you...this will not exactly be the "encouragement" that I needed today as I head to the hospital to give birth. I personally have a thread in PFY...but as others have said, it's not exactly information I want to share with mixed company. I mean, no offense to the few guys that post there in my thread, but I don't want to be talking about stuff that IS pertinent to birth in mixed company with someone that isn't my husband or a man I truly know and would trust the opinion of. I understand that there are men out there that have information to share...after all, in my personal life one of the biggest and best supporters of us breast feeding our first was a man...but it's just not likely that anyone would want to have to deal with that in that type of folder.
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I think what they're saying is that individual threads for every individual woman was not what it was meant for. I think the volume/space the individual threads took up might be a part of it...
a few of us have complained about how long and drawn out some of the threads had become (going on for months and months afterward) and we were told that those were personal threads for that person and that until they chose to let them die or be closed then they had a right to continue to get support from them even if it did mean jumping from one thread topic to another of things that could have easily been posted in those appropriate thread discussions.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 8:49:26 AM
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I think the reason that many spin off threads are started is because the OP of the larger threads suggests that the discussion move elsewhere. Why is that? Why can’t we just let the moderators decide if a discussion is on or off topic. I foresee a race to start the new chat threads at 12:00 am in the cloak of darkness so that the parameters aren’t so narrow. LOL!
I do understand why many are upset that their words were gone with out notice though and I hope the powers that be will al least let you all retrieve what was lost.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 10:06:42 AM
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Just want to add:
MOTHERING SUBFOLDER WITHIN WO:PERSONAL, PLEASE!!!!
It would solve a myriad of concerns!
--Kat
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 10:25:28 AM
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LaurainAL
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Isn't the WO already a sub-folder? Could we have a sub-folder in a sub-folder?
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 10:26:29 AM
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Karaboo2
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WO is the main folder ... PI is the subfolder ... Mothering could be another subfolder in the main WO folder.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 11:07:40 AM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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Just a couple of "technical" things, please . . .
Unless it's a temporary computer glitch, one only has to sub to a thread once (unless you unsub and then want to resub). One doesn't have to sub to the same thread each time they go through a different portal. I use at least 5 different portals and have never had to resub to threads that I was already subbed to.
While I understand people possibly not wanting to post personal details anywhere other than "Women's Only" . . . that is really just a veil of privacy and not a real measure of any privacy.
Anyone, male or female can read any thread anywhere on this forum. Men can read in Women's Only; women can read in Men's Only. Posting may only be allowed by a certain gender in certain folders ("Women's Only", "Men's Only", "He Says", "She Says") but that doesn't mean than people (regardless of their gender) can't read those threads. Plus, there are unregistered guests (both male and female) that read these threads all day; their genders are never known.
My point in saying this is two-fold:
(1) If someone (man or woman) is going to want to read personal details of someone's pregnancy, it doesn't matter where the thread is; he or she is gonna read it (even if the thread is located in the "Women's Only" folder).
(2) Likewise, if someone (man or woman) doesn't want to read the personal details of someone's pregnancy, it doesn't matter where the thread is, he or she is not going to read it. (even if the thread is located in PFY).
Along those same lines, just because there are a ton of threads over in the PFY folder doesn't mean that any specific thread will get lost (that's the beauty of subbing to threads). I am subbed to several PFY threads, but there are many more of them that I am not subbed to. If I want to go to a specific thread (regardless of what folder it's in), I simply go to my subbed threads list and find it there - much easier and much quicker.
Now . . . {{{Y'all}}} . . . just because I can empathize with the frustrations y'all may be feeling.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 11:37:45 AM
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I can sympathize with the women who may not want to read these threads (maybe those who don't want to or can't have children for whatever reason). I can see how these threads could be unsettling to them. However, there is no reason that they have give these threads more than a passing glance. There are times when I go in there and think another baby stalking thread! Then I remember that I am free to not read any thread on the boards. So I pick and choose which ones I want to be involved in.
Overall, I think the baby stalking threads are a good thing and I don't understand why they weren't left where they were. If we had been given the chance to discuss this beforehand, I don't think that there would be as many hurt feelings now. The way the situation was handled was very sad. There is no reason these women should have lost their threads with out some type of warning.
I know that when you have authority, sometimes decisions have to be made that aren't popular and someone will probably get their feelings hurt. I try to keep my negative comments about the way things are ran here to a minimum. However, to those who made the decision..... you dropped the ball.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 11:53:54 AM
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ORIGINAL: KatMack
Just want to add:
MOTHERING SUBFOLDER WITHIN WO:PERSONAL, PLEASE!!!!
It would solve a myriad of concerns!
--Kat
I agree
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As for posting in PFY, I had my babies here even before PFY. I think I posted my first internet baby in General Topics, my second one in Community Lounge, and my third in the Women's folder. I just always started my own threads wherever they seemed to fit best at the time.
I posted all my birth details in the pregnancy thread. I never had my own personal thread. They are a very recent thing. I don't have a problem with the personal threads but I do think all the mom threads would be better organized in a subfolder of the WO folder. I sympathize with those who lost their threads with no notice, that would be upsetting.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 12:10:01 PM
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MODERATOR'S NOTE :: ATTENTION PLEASE
In order to streamline this thread a bit, I've deleted some off-topic posts. (A couple were compliments of consecrated's picture, etc.).
If you want to give someone a hug or personal, off topic attention, please don't do it in this thread since it's way long as it is, and we don't want it to be filled up with superfluous posts. Let's keep this thread directly on the topic.
(Personally, I think you all have made your voice heard, and further repeats of the same suggestions/complaints by the same posters only clutters up the thread more and makes it that much harder to read. But that's just my personal opinion and not a moderator instruction.)
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 12:31:41 PM
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Do we know if Fritz is even in the office today?? And if he is, are our concerns getting his attention at all?? (And if he isn't, why are we all "wasting our breath" today when it won't serve any useful purpose, except to annoy people further by regurgitating the same comments?)
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 12:43:19 PM
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PrincessDonna
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ORIGINAL: Karaboo2
Do we know if Fritz is even in the office today?? And if he is, are our concerns getting his attention at all?? (And if he isn't, why are we all "wasting our breath" today when it won't serve any useful purpose, except to annoy people further by regurgitating the same comments?)
If you look up his name on the member list, you can see that he has not logged in today. So my guess is...no, he has not seen any of this yet.
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 12:45:35 PM
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Karaboo2
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Thanks Donna ... I didn't think to check the member list (actually, I forgot that you could find out last log in that way)
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RE: Feedback on WO-personal - 6/24/2008 1:03:27 PM
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sorry, forums blur.
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Good question ... why weren't these stopped or moved last year??? I realize there may not have been as many back then, but still ... if it isn't acceptable now, yet it has been for the past 9 months ... kind of a double standard type of thing.
Maybe we'll get it this time.
in General Topics, my second one in Community Lounge, and my third in the Women's folder. I just always started my own threads wherever they seemed to fit best at the time. 
They've got enough stress going on right now without having thier threads disappear unexpectedly.
