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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/23/2008 8:31:38 PM
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I don't think God loves the Satan....not when He has the following plans for him:
10 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." -Revelation 20
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/23/2008 9:04:45 PM
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God is love. God creates out of Himself, meaning everything He creates is created out of love. God's love, as Jesus assures us, is always both unmerited and unconditional. Gods love is not externally influenced, it is not dependent upon the object of His love.
In other words...His love cannot be stopped! He cannot stop being who He is, and who He is...IS love. God also loves equally. He loves Satan as much as He loves anyone. Now there's something to cogitate on.
Yes, God loves Satan.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/23/2008 11:16:00 PM
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Satan's own pride and arrogance condemns his not God and although he knows the character of God(Job 1:8-12 makes that clear)he's not about to appropriate Jesus' sacrifice and Victory. It's not about God's love, that's a given, it's about the pride of Satan(and others)that prevents him(them)from obedience.
Psalms 51:3-"For I know my transgressions and my sin is ever before me. 4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned and done that which is evil in thy sight so that thou art justified in thy sentence and blameless in thy judgment."
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/24/2008 2:03:40 AM
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Satan neither loves God or man,,
1John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
No God does not love Satan, He cast him out of his presence to the earth.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/24/2008 5:41:52 AM
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Satan is no match for God so I have a hard time viewing Satan as a "real" adversary
Biblically, he is portrayed as THE enemy. Often compared and equivalent to fairytales of the knight in shining armour against the dragon. While he may be no match, that's no reason to not take him seriously as an enemy.
Look at the world and see what he has done to it, then ask yourself again.
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I think it's possible God could hate Satan
With God, all things are possible. And in this case, far more likely. 
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Would an elephant hate a tiny little ant?
Does the elephant stand for good and the ant stand for all things evil? Hardly I think. That's not comparable.
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You're assuming God is hateful, like man.
No, not at all. I'm basing this off of what the Bible says.
Romans 12:9
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
satan is NOT good. Therefore, he is to be hated because he stands for everything that is evil. God clearly says to hate it.
If God loved what he told us to hate, again, He would be contradicting Himself. God cannot contradict Himself.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/24/2008 6:14:50 AM
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God is love.
You're forgetting another aspect of God that cannot be overlooked: His jealousy.
Proverbs 6: 16-19
16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
- haughty eyes,
- a lying tongue,
- hands that shed innocent blood,
- a heart that devises wicked schemes,
- feet that are quick to rush into evil,
- a false witness who pours out lies
- and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
satan is comprised of ALL these things. That is his belief, his will, and desire to overthrow God's reign.
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Yes, God loves Satan.
I don't think so.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/24/2008 7:18:39 AM
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Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.
Isa 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Satan does not get this option.. he and all those fallen angels have already been judged.
but I don't believe that has anything to do with whether or not God loves Satan.
that is an unanswerable question that is only answered by a guess.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/24/2008 8:43:29 AM
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God said that He hated Esau (genese) . I think that satan is far more 'worst or evil' than Esau...
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/24/2008 1:26:38 PM
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Satan is no match for God so I have a hard time viewing Satan as a "real" adversary
Biblically, he is portrayed as THE enemy. Often compared and equivalent to fairytales of the knight in shining armour against the dragon. While he may be no match, that's no reason to not take him seriously as an enemy.
Look at the world and see what he has done to it, then ask yourself again.
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I think it's possible God could hate Satan
With God, all things are possible. And in this case, far more likely.
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Would an elephant hate a tiny little ant?
Does the elephant stand for good and the ant stand for all things evil? Hardly I think. That's not comparable.
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You're assuming God is hateful, like man.
No, not at all. I'm basing this off of what the Bible says.
Romans 12:9
Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
satan is NOT good. Therefore, he is to be hated because he stands for everything that is evil. God clearly says to hate it.
If God loved what he told us to hate, again, He would be contradicting Himself. God cannot contradict Himself.
You missing the point, and again putting limitations on God with statements like:
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God cannot contradict Himself.
Are you God? God can do all things. Perceived contradictions are usually from our lack of understand. Afterall, it is our world that is dualistic. On the other had, God can be "this" or "that" or everything in between and beyond. Personally, I don't speak for God or place limitations on God - most people that do, end up telling us to drink the kool-aid.
Satan DOES NOT stand for all that is evil - people say that conveniently to absolve themselves from their own evil doings. Satan has no power other than what God allows - or what we give Satan for that matter. That's very clear in the Bible. God allows Satan to cause suffering and temptation, but Satan doesn't make us sin or turn our backs on God. Satan doesn't make us do evil deeds. When we humans "hate" something we give rise to the negative and evil aspects of ourselves - and it also empowers that which we "hate". Usually hate stems from things like envy, or a perceived threat, or a lack of understanding - people that hate are usually weak and lack emotional or self control. They hate because they don't have control over that which they hate, and they usually destroy themselves along with their object of hatred. That's why we are encouraged to love. When we love our enemy we give that enemy no power over us, and we don't become enraged and hate filled in the process - we don't destroy ourselves. Some people hate and kill their own children because they're afraid that Satan is in them??? It's fair to say these parents "hated Satan" (good right????), but they are definately confused. This world is consumed with hate, it's everywhere. It's a madhouse down here. That elephant can crush the ant if is so chooses, but it does not mean it "hates" it. Much like someone will swat a fly and not hate it. It's called indifference. A God in control doesn't have to hate or be bound by hate.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/24/2008 10:52:52 PM
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I was giving a bible study and this question came up- "Does God still love Satan"
No.
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Please, can you guys help me out.
It can become complicated... like John 4:8 "God is Love" If He is love... dosen't God hate sin but love the sinner, etc...
Tahnk you very much...
God Bless
The mantra "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner.." is not biblical - where is that found in the Bible? God is love, but He is holy and just.
Watch this: Does God love everyone??
I'd say it's more our charge to love the sinner but not the sin, and do our best to bring them out of that sin. but that's neither here nor there on this topic.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/26/2008 12:26:41 PM
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I think there is a pervading error in thought here that God's judgement or punishment is motivated in some way by hatred. I do not understand hell in this way because it does not square with what God says about himself in the Bible. Absolute purity, by definition, cannot tolerate any impurity. Removal from God's presence is simply a result of his nature. Also, in a sense, it is merciful. How could the unredeemed endure his presence if they were forced to be with him for eternity? Furthermore, does evil not tend to multiply? Don't things constantly get worse if left to themselves? Hell is God's mercy in that he ensures that for those who choose eternity apart from him, there shall be a "worst thing." That things will get this bad but not keep getting worse. Maybe. Hard to say without knowing explicitly what hell is.
In any case, God's judgement is not motivated by hatred of people, but by his very nature (which is love, lest we forget). The punishment is in a sense not punishment at all, but simply a natural result of the choices and decisions people have made. Likewise, there were natural consequences for Satan's rebellion. He could no more hope to succeed against God than you or I. Also, let us not forget that Satan was created good, just as mankind was. He is not God's evil twin. He is not absolutely evil. There is no absolute evil. Good is absolute; evil is an abberation of the good. God can love Satan for the same reason that he can love sinful people. There is no difference in that regard. The difference is that there is no redemption offered to fallen angels, at least not that we know of. But of God's love for all his creation there can be no diminishment, no change, and no exceptions.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/26/2008 6:56:38 PM
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A lot also depends on your definition of "hate" and "hatred". IMHO, it is NOT the opposite of love.
I'd have to agree with you, there. I've been pondering the OP and if I had to answer, I'd say that God has the capacity to love satan, but satan's overwhelming pride and rejection of any sort of redemption has precluded any oportunity for forgiveness or reconcilliation. Does the Bible discuss God "hating" certain behaviors-- sure it does.
In the end, though, it doesn't matter. God will reign victoriously and I am redeemed-- my name is in the Lamb's book of life. satan's demise does not affect my place at the wedding feast. That's what any question that has no answer boils down to for me. It just doesn't matter.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/26/2008 8:32:22 PM
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God can do all things.
No, no He cannot.
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A God in control doesn't have to hate or be bound by hate.
Scripture is clear that God hated essau. Scripture is clear that God hates lukewarm people. Scripture is clear that God hates sin.
I will take the Bible over your assumptions, thanks.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/26/2008 8:40:45 PM
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Scripture says God hates a lying tongue. Satan not only tells lies, but he is the father of lies. If God loves children, then He must hate abortion. It is His character. By the way, Earthless, I actually liked the video you provided (not Benny Hinn videos). Anyway, there IS a line God draws between what God loves and hates, but we as humans are too deceived by our own hearts to see it clearly. Plus if we knew the line to the extent God knows it, I don't think we would practice loving our neighbor, praying for unbelievers, etc.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/26/2008 11:35:40 PM
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God can do all things.
No, no He cannot.
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A God in control doesn't have to hate or be bound by hate.
Scripture is clear that God hated essau. Scripture is clear that God hates lukewarm people. Scripture is clear that God hates sin.
I will take the Bible over your assumptions, thanks.
Hey Earthless! If you can find scripture backing you up on saying God cannot do all things, then please do!
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/27/2008 8:58:45 AM
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Can God do all things? An interesting philosophical question. The Bible is clear that God cannot sin. In that sense, the Bible is clear that God cannot do all things. But this inability does not rise from lack of power, but from God's self defined nature. I personally (just me, not any great christian thinker, so take it or leave it) tend to define sin as "anything that defies God." So God has the raw capability of, for example, lying, but in doing so he defies himself and ceases to be God. So we would have to ask ourselves, "who is sinning?" This self contradiction is the theological equivalent of a square circle. What C.S. Lewis called "an intrinsic impossiblility," otherwise known as nonsense. Nonsense, he continues, does not cease being nonsense simply by tacking on the words, "God can" in front of them. Such a thing would be a "non-thing," a nothing, a nonentity. In this sense, God can do "all things that are things."
God is love. For him to not love one of his creation would be contradictory to his nature. Hating sin because it destroys his creation is a lot different than hating the creation that sins. Yet he says "Esau I hated." We would do well to remember that words in the Bible do not always mean what we think they do. In this case (and in a few others, like "anyone who does not hate his father and mother....") hate does not mean you do not love the person. It simply means you choose this and reject that. God chose Jacob and rejected Esau. If we must choose between our family and God, then we must choose God. But I doubt very much that God would be pleased if we then no longer cared about our family. We would be heartbroken and pray for them and try to tell them about Jesus. Why? Because we love them.
We can say God hates Satan in that he has rejected Satan. But to suggest that God does not love ANY part of his creation is very dangerous.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/27/2008 9:06:17 AM
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Hey Earthless! If you can find scripture backing you up on saying God cannot do all things, then please do!
Sure thing - while it is true that God can do anything that is consistent with His nature, it is absurd to suggest that He can do everything.
God cannot lie (Hebrews 6:18); He cannot be tempted (James 1:13); and He cannot cease to exist (Psalm 102:25:27).
A lot more can be said, but I am running into a meeting.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/27/2008 11:23:44 AM
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Can God do all things? An interesting philosophical question. The Bible is clear that God cannot sin. In that sense, the Bible is clear that God cannot do all things. But this inability does not rise from lack of power, but from God's self defined nature. I personally (just me, not any great christian thinker, so take it or leave it) tend to define sin as "anything that defies God." So God has the raw capability of, for example, lying, but in doing so he defies himself and ceases to be God. So we would have to ask ourselves, "who is sinning?" This self contradiction is the theological equivalent of a square circle. What C.S. Lewis called "an intrinsic impossiblility," otherwise known as nonsense. Nonsense, he continues, does not cease being nonsense simply by tacking on the words, "God can" in front of them. Such a thing would be a "non-thing," a nothing, a nonentity. In this sense, God can do "all things that are things."
God is love. For him to not love one of his creation would be contradictory to his nature. Hating sin because it destroys his creation is a lot different than hating the creation that sins. Yet he says "Esau I hated." We would do well to remember that words in the Bible do not always mean what we think they do. In this case (and in a few others, like "anyone who does not hate his father and mother....") hate does not mean you do not love the person. It simply means you choose this and reject that. God chose Jacob and rejected Esau. If we must choose between our family and God, then we must choose God. But I doubt very much that God would be pleased if we then no longer cared about our family. We would be heartbroken and pray for them and try to tell them about Jesus. Why? Because we love them.
We can say God hates Satan in that he has rejected Satan. But to suggest that God does not love ANY part of his creation is very dangerous.
Yeah, I believe that God CAN do all things because the Bible says so. And I believe the WHOLE Bible. We shouldn't underestimate God.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/27/2008 11:49:25 AM
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Yeah, I believe that God CAN do all things because the Bible says so.
No it doesn't. He cannot do certain things.
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And I believe the WHOLE Bible. We shouldn't underestimate God.
It's not a matter of "underestimating" God - it's the reality that God has chosen how He wanted to reveal Himself to us via His Word, the Bible. That is the box God has placed Himself in for how He relates to us humans on this planet.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/27/2008 1:16:30 PM
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For me, this is a definite illogical question!!! If God loved satan, then why did He ever cast the devil out from Heaven in the first place? Why did He have to create "hell"? Why did He ever have to sacrifice His Only Son (Jesus Christ) for us? And too many why's that will answer the question accordingly. I will follow ONLY The Holy Bible, God bless.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/27/2008 3:56:17 PM
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Yeah, I believe that God CAN do all things because the Bible says so.
No it doesn't. He cannot do certain things.
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And I believe the WHOLE Bible. We shouldn't underestimate God.
It's not a matter of "underestimating" God - it's the reality that God has chosen how He wanted to reveal Himself to us via His Word, the Bible. That is the box God has placed Himself in for how He relates to us humans on this planet.
I glad you have your own opinion. But I have a right to my OWN opinion :)
And again, thanks for responding!
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/27/2008 5:22:45 PM
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A lot also depends on your definition of "hate" and "hatred". IMHO, it is NOT the opposite of love.
Not only is hate not the opposite of love, neither is anger. I have spent substantial portions of my life angry at people I loved. I will not deny God the same experience.
Satan is not offered salvation because Satan was not forced to sin. We are born into a condition in which sin is inevitable; Satan was not. It is not evidence of lack of love, merely of justice.
Earthless, yes, I watched the video. And he was not only wrong, but rude. It isn't fair to compare him the Benny Hinn, though, because Benny Hinn is a charlatan, and Robert Morey seems to be a sincere boor.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 3:54:09 AM
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I believe God loves Satan because thats who God is He is Love.
God hates the sin emanating from Satan but He does not hate the
part of His creation that sinned, just the sin itself.
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RE: Does God love Satan? - 6/28/2008 8:01:06 AM
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Yeah, I believe that God CAN do all things because the Bible says so.
No it doesn't. He cannot do certain things.
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And I believe the WHOLE Bible. We shouldn't underestimate God.
It's not a matter of "underestimating" God - it's the reality that God has chosen how He wanted to reveal Himself to us via His Word, the Bible. That is the box God has placed Himself in for how He relates to us humans on this planet.
I glad you have your own opinion. But I have a right to my OWN opinion :)
And again, thanks for responding!
It's not an opinion when it is what the Word of God states - hope your question(s) were answered.
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