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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/28/2008 1:56:02 PM
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tracydolls
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The other extreme is not good either, but when it comes to attitudes towards some money, some Christians that I know are not that far away from my secular friends. I think we should be a bit discomforted by that.
What's the difference really? Between the world and the some of the Church on the issue of money. The line has become very blurred.
"Get money" a rap by Biggie Smalls(RIP)
I understand the concept of "the love of money" like I have said before some poor people have the "love of money" just not the money!
But if the whole world AND Christians are telling people to get money any way you can, what can you tell a person?
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/28/2008 8:28:06 PM
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It is not a sin to have material wealth and it is not righteous to have nothing. There are thieves on both ends.
Conversly, it's not a sin to have nothing and it is not righteous to have material wealth. As for thieves, the poor steals to eat, the rich steal to get richer.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/28/2008 8:46:27 PM
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But if the whole world AND Christians are telling people to get money any way you can, what can you tell a person?
who posting to this thread have advocated getting money "any way you can" ?. What christians at all advocate this?, WOF'ers not withstanding.
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Conversly, it's not a sin to have nothing and it is not righteous to have material wealth. As for thieves, the poor steals to eat, the rich steal to get richer
As for this country goes, do you really think that the reason ANYONE steals is because they lack food?. One thing you dont see in the USA is anyone starving to death. People steal because they covet.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/28/2008 9:11:08 PM
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One thing you dont see in the USA is anyone starving to death
While I agree that most theft in America isn't from necessity, there is a food shortage problem for some people. Otherwise we wouldn't need food banks and soup kitchens
I do agree, though, that most theft is not from need, but from a covetous attitude.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 1:07:41 AM
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potential pitfalls of having wealth.
There are potential pitfalls from having poverty...as well.
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our culture worships at the altar of wealth.
While this is true, there is an opposite that is just as dangerous...the prejudice against wealth.
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As for thieves, the poor steals to eat, the rich steal to get richer.
You really have that comminist manifesto....right? Plenty of poor people steal for things other than feeding themselves.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 1:15:07 AM
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Tracydolls: But if the whole world AND Christians are telling people to get money any way you can, what can you tell a person?
The only person I see here advocating 'get money any way you can' is YOU. Zhi has pointed out your own words and accurately summed them up in post #96:
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Tracydolls: Tax the mess out of the rich and make them help pay for socialized medicine.
Zhi: #222 in Socialized
Let's take the money away from the rich and make them pay.
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Tracydolls: I don't care if they beat them up and take it, I'm tired of watching the poor get no help.
Zhi: #253 in Socialized
Suggesting that it's okay for the poor to literally mug the rich to take the money.
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Tracydolls: Sometimes my prayer be like Lord, come get these babies and these fat greedy, arrogant............... in america.
Zhi: #253 in Socialized
Praying for God to basically smite the rich.
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Tracydolls: If the way to Heaven is hard like a camel going thru a needles's eye, OK. I'm in agreement with that. Make it just that hard.
Zhi: #66 in this thread
Apparently being happy about the fact that it's hard for the rich to get to heaven. Tad hateful imho
It is simply flabbergasting that you can't even see just how hateful and Biblically incorrect your views are on this matter. You're not advocating anything for the poor other than literally despising and stealing from anyone you consider to be monetarily wealthy. That seems to be your only solution. You have no idea how much the 'rich' really give - many of them might give anonymously - yet you have made yourself judge and jury in condemning them. Never mind that they probably have worked hard, used the brain God gave them, been incredible stewards of God's money, and are providing thousands of jobs and so much money in charitable donations.
I am disappointed and disgusted to see this attitude displayed here.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 1:43:19 AM
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It is simply flabbergasting that you can't even see just how hateful and Biblically incorrect your views are on this matter. You're not advocating anything for the poor other than literally despising and stealing from anyone you consider to be monetarily wealthy. That seems to be your only solution. I am disappointed and disgusted to see this attitude displayed here.
I too am disappointed and disgusted  , somes my disgust  comes out like everyone elses here, angry,  sometimes Biblically incorrect! 
Is my attitude of please, please beat them up and feed some of these babies wrong? 
Of course it is. Without a doubt!
So is the poverty is caused by spiritual lack of faith, etc.
Cheerleading the rich is definitely against Bible Scripture!! that is WITHOUT a doubt also.
Am I wrong for wanting and waiting on the Lord? Nawww..... it's what we should all be doing! 
He says He will avenge those babies. The poor, the downtrodden, the innocents.
He says what the rich are. And yes I do like these verses! I love the WHOLE Bible.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
I personally don't think the rich are anything but have money. And since God is no respecter of persons, the Queen of England , the Pope, Oprah, etc.
All have the same chance I do as any poor person in fact He says Blessed is the ......... not blessed is the rich.
It's just sickening to me that 400 people could be worth 1.25 Trillion dollars. I don't care how you try to clean it up, minimize it, it should not be so.
And if you look at the companies of the 400, they are all over in China, Taiwan, etc.
Oppressing people in their wages.
Forgive me if I don't admire them or cheerlead them.
My Bible tells me not to.
Do you stand up so strongly for the poor? of all the threads, posts, only mine bothered you? OK.
All I'm reading on alot of these threads is cut this, cut that. Don't help, etc.
Who do the poor have on their side here on earth?
What are we commanded to do. Help the poor, NOT the rich.
I just talk hoping, praying one CHEERLEADER will change their minds. Give up like Robert Lee did, surrender.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 7:58:56 AM
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potential pitfalls of having wealth.
There are potential pitfalls from having poverty...as well.
It seems though, some Christians get quite offended if you even suggest that there may be pitfalls of having wealth. I realize that one can go to the exteme in the other direction, but the point is that while there are benefits to wealth, there are downsides as well.
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our culture worships at the altar of wealth.
While this is true, there is an opposite that is just as dangerous...the prejudice against wealth.
Since we agree that our culture worships at the altar of wealth, the next question is: As Christians how should christians be different in this area?
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 9:13:04 AM
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some Christians get quite offended if you even suggest that there may be pitfalls of having wealth.
Some christians are offended at the smallest things.
Your income does not make you holy one way or the other. However, how you spend your income could be an indicator of your salvation. Just like works.
Works do not prove you are saved...or not, but salvation will bring forth some form of works...or its not faith.
Same thing with money. Rich or poor, your salvation does not depend on what is in your wallet. There are good rich people and there are good poor people ( good being relative )
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 11:16:00 AM
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tracydolls: Do you stand up so strongly for the poor? of all the threads, posts, only mine bothered you? OK.
Where on earth do you get this stuff from? Advocating that you don't discriminate and despise those with money does not equal ignoring the poor. They have nothing to do with each other. The topic of this thread isn't about the poor. It's about those with wealth, and I'm addressing your discrimination and vitriolic attacks against them.
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And if you look at the companies of the 400, they are all over in China, Taiwan, etc.
Oppressing people in their wages.
Give me your references and evidence for the above statement. I'm not kidding. I would like to see some hard facts from you in your next post that all Forbes 400 companies are oppressing people. Unless you can honestly tell me that you've researched every company in-depth and can prove your statement factually, then you are bearing false witness.
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It's just sickening to me that 400 people could be worth 1.25 Trillion dollars. I don't care how you try to clean it up, minimize it, it should not be so.
I can only conclude by the above statement that you despise Abraham, as well.
It's not your job to despise people just for having money. It's not your job to judge them for working hard and putting their brains and talent to good use. Most of all... it's not your job to speculate and falsely conclude with no evidence at all that they are not helping anyone.
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He says what the rich are. And yes I do like these verses! I love the WHOLE Bible.
No, I don't see that you love the whole Bible. I see that you love only the parts you can twist out of context to support you in hating and despising a particular group of people.
You never did address the fact that many Biblically blessed and faithful people were rich, and their riches were provided by God Himself. You just ignore those facts like they don't exist. Time and time again it's been pointed out to you that the Bible doesn't say having money or not having money is wrong, but rather it's the attitude or the actions behind the scenes that can be sinful. But you don't want to hear that. Your views and excuses are very, very disturbing.
De 8:18 But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.
Ec 5:19 Moreover, when God gives any man wealth and possessions, and enables him to enjoy them, to accept his lot and be happy in his work--this is a gift of God.
Prov 10:4 Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.
1 Sam 2:6 "The Lord brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up. 7 The Lord sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 1:35:17 PM
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All I'm reading on alot of these threads is cut this, cut that. Don't help, etc.
I'm sorry but I see no one advocating on this site to ignore the poor. That statement is simply false. It is simply you injecting these thoughts into others' posts in order to sustain your argument as best you know how.
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Who do the poor have on their side here on earth?
For starters, those who have enough MONEY to help them out. They have the people who are NOT POOR giving them the aid they need.
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What are we commanded to do. Help the poor, NOT the rich.
Who here has said anything about helping the rich to obtain more riches? Has not everyone agreed that the poor should receive help from those who are able to give, those who have money? It's just that many of us happen to believe that it is wrong to STEAL from those who are wealthy in order to do so.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 1:58:21 PM
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Where on earth do you get this stuff from? Advocating that you don't discriminate and despise those with money does not equal ignoring the poor. They have nothing to do with each other. The topic of this thread isn't about the poor. It's about those with wealth, and I'm addressing your discrimination and vitriolic attacks against them.
Please address your discrimination first! We'll the thread if you read the OP someone asked to start a thread on poor,. instead we got this,.
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Give me your references and evidence for the above statement. I'm not kidding. I would like to see some hard facts from you in your next post that all Forbes 400 companies are oppressing people. Unless you can honestly tell me that you've researched every company in-depth and can prove your statement factually, then you are bearing false witness.
Forbes 400? The actual magazine online?You can get alot of the info from there. Usually don't list links, most people are too lazy to read them and then we have the I read them and still don't care people.
A total waste of time, I see here in this forum.
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It's just sickening to me that 400 people could be worth 1.25 Trillion dollars. I don't care how you try to clean it up, minimize it, it should not be so.
I can only conclude by the above statement that you despise Abraham, as well.
You are comparing Abraham to theses people? Abraham became the FATHER of MANY NATIONS, what are these people doing?
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No, I don't see that you love the whole Bible. I see that you love only the parts you can twist out of context to support you in hating and despising a particular group of people.
You never did address the fact that many Biblically blessed and faithful people were rich, and their riches were provided by God Himself. You just ignore those facts like they don't exist. Time and time again it's been pointed out to you that the Bible doesn't say having money or not having money is wrong, but rather it's the attitude or the actions behind the scenes that can be sinful. But you don't want to hear that. Your views and excuses are very, very disturbing.
Babies with flies all over them, bellies swollen, dying EVERYDAY by the 1000's don't disturb you?
I know of all then people in the Bible that God blessed, I just don't see any verse to defend them.
do you defend Oprah?
It is very DISTURBING to see another Cheerleader!! 
I did'nt know there was so many among the Christians!
I wonder can they pay them liked they did to fight the Civil War?
I mean how can you convince a man to fight in a war for $15.00 a month?
I wonder how much they can pay these Cheerleaders now. Pretty soon probaly the same $15.00 bucks, when things get bad. Food gets real short.
Jas 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats
Jas 1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his way
Jas 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 3:51:17 PM
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Where on earth do you get this stuff from? Advocating that you don't discriminate and despise those with money does not equal ignoring the poor. They have nothing to do with each other. The topic of this thread isn't about the poor. It's about those with wealth, and I'm addressing your discrimination and vitriolic attacks against them.
Please address your discrimination first! We'll the thread if you read the OP someone asked to start a thread on poor,. instead we got this,.
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Give me your references and evidence for the above statement. I'm not kidding. I would like to see some hard facts from you in your next post that all Forbes 400 companies are oppressing people. Unless you can honestly tell me that you've researched every company in-depth and can prove your statement factually, then you are bearing false witness.
Forbes 400? The actual magazine online?You can get alot of the info from there. Usually don't list links, most people are too lazy to read them and then we have the I read them and still don't care people.
A total waste of time, I see here in this forum.
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It's just sickening to me that 400 people could be worth 1.25 Trillion dollars. I don't care how you try to clean it up, minimize it, it should not be so.
I can only conclude by the above statement that you despise Abraham, as well.
You are comparing Abraham to theses people? Abraham became the FATHER of MANY NATIONS, what are these people doing?
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No, I don't see that you love the whole Bible. I see that you love only the parts you can twist out of context to support you in hating and despising a particular group of people.
You never did address the fact that many Biblically blessed and faithful people were rich, and their riches were provided by God Himself. You just ignore those facts like they don't exist. Time and time again it's been pointed out to you that the Bible doesn't say having money or not having money is wrong, but rather it's the attitude or the actions behind the scenes that can be sinful. But you don't want to hear that. Your views and excuses are very, very disturbing.
Babies with flies all over them, bellies swollen, dying EVERYDAY by the 1000's don't disturb you?
I know of all then people in the Bible that God blessed, I just don't see any verse to defend them.
do you defend Oprah?
It is very DISTURBING to see another Cheerleader!!
I did'nt know there was so many among the Christians!
I wonder can they pay them liked they did to fight the Civil War?
I mean how can you convince a man to fight in a war for $15.00 a month?
I wonder how much they can pay these Cheerleaders now. Pretty soon probaly the same $15.00 bucks, when things get bad. Food gets real short.
Jas 2:6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats
Jas 1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his way
Jas 1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God
I dont see any cheerleading for the rich here, only a defense that not all the wealthy are scoundrels, but as a socialist you will never admit to that.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 4:46:03 PM
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I dont see any cheerleading for the rich here, only a defense that not all the wealthy are scoundrels, but as a socialist you will never admit to that.
Not all the wealthy are scoundrels.
BUT all the CHEERLEADERS are.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 4:49:20 PM
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I dont see any cheerleading for the rich here, only a defense that not all the wealthy are scoundrels, but as a socialist you will never admit to that.
Not all the wealthy are scoundrels.
BUT all the CHEERLEADERS are.
And what might a cheerleader be? Can you please fill us in on the definition? For as many times as I've seen you use this argument you have never actually been able to describe what you consider to be a "cheerleader".
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 5:49:36 PM
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tracydolls: You are comparing Abraham to theses people? Abraham became the FATHER of MANY NATIONS, what are these people doing?
You're the one contending that it's a sin to be rich, not me. So either be consistent and condemn ALL rich people or rethink your argument. Those are your only two choices.
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Forbes 400? The actual magazine online?You can get alot of the info from there. Usually don't list links, most people are too lazy to read them and then we have the I read them and still don't care people.
It's a really simple question: Did you or did you not research every single Forbes 400 company before you accused them of oppressing people? Yes or no. If yes, present the evidence. I'm not doing your homework for you. If no, then you are bearing false witness.
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It is very DISTURBING to see another Cheerleader!!
I did'nt know there was so many among the Christians!
You didn't know there were so many what? Christians who aren't prejudiced? Christians who don't hate others just because they have more money? Christians who don't covet someone else's wealth? Christians who don't assume the wealthy are all just fat, greedy, and arrogant? Christians who understand that many of the wealthiest people are also the biggest givers on the planet? Christians who understand that God's providence comes through many ways, including ways that you don't personally approve of? Christians who understand that it's because of some of these hard-working innovators that thousands of people have decent jobs to go to?
Yes... what a freaking crying shame, tracy.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 6:00:55 PM
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You do know one way to stimulate the economy is to give the rich tax breaks...correct?
You do know the vast majority of taxes collected are NOT from the rich...there are too few of them...they are from the middle class. You can tax them 100% and it won't make one little difference. Less than 1% of our population is rich.
A true minority. The last scapegoat. Someone easy to blame for your own failures and inabilities.
Do I cheerlead for the rich? Lets just say I hate prejudice. Unsubstantiated hatreds. Perversion of scripture.
As someone who has made the assertation, time and time again, that america is prejudiced, how can you consistantly villify the rich without any substantiation? It has been shown here that some rich are very very generous. They do good works. They give of themselves....but you deny all of it.
Tell me, if someone tells you that black people are stupid, uneducatable and criminally minded, and you come up with example after example of black people who have succeeded and they still believe the way they do...
how does that feel? Its what I, and some others, are feeling right now. We have presented fact after fact...and you deny them in the face of all logic.
The best alternative is a biblical one....to shake the dust from our feet....as I have done in some other threads to avoid this banging my head against a cement wall.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 7:12:09 PM
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You do know one way to stimulate the economy is to give the rich tax breaks...correct?
You do know the vast majority of taxes collected are NOT from the rich...there are too few of them...they are from the middle class. You can tax them 100% and it won't make one little difference. Less than 1% of our population is rich.
Let me address your second point first. Actually this is not true. If you look at the following link.
who pays the tax
The top 1% pay 39% of the federal income tax, the top 5% pay 59%. So it is clearly not the middle class who are pay most of the income tax.
The other problem is that marginal tax rates are relatively low now so the stimulative effect of marginal tax rate cuts tend to be rather small at this point. This can also be offset by higher interest rates if the government has to borrow to cover any deficit that may result from the tax cuts.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 7:59:49 PM
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As for thieves, the poor steals to eat, the rich steal to get richer.
You really have that comminist manifesto....right? Plenty of poor people steal for things other than feeding themselves.
When the rich steal it certainly isn't because they or their family is hungry. When the rich steal it can only be greed.
I suppose it would be better to be a communist than a fascist, but I woudn't judge you. (I'm more a christian moderate democrat/ libertarian than commie. )
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You do know the vast majority of taxes collected are NOT from the rich...there are too few of them...they are from the middle class. You can tax them 100% and it won't make one little difference. Less than 1% of our population is rich.
The top 5% of households ($150,000 +) in America earned 1/3 of ALL income. $1,396,506,187,800, thats 1.4 trillion dollars.
Those earning $200,000+ a year (just 2.67% of households) earned over 20% of all income earned ($882,139,267,800 in 2005)
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 9:18:37 PM
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Sophie11
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I honestly don't know what the difference is between a rich man stealing for greed or a poor man stealing for greed. If they are both stealing for greed, then IMO it makes no difference what each one is stealing or whether or not they could afford it without stealing it, they are both wrong and both equally wrong.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/29/2008 10:36:27 PM
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upNORTder
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ORIGINAL: Sophie11
I honestly don't know what the difference is between a rich man stealing for greed or a poor man stealing for greed. If they are both stealing for greed, then IMO it makes no difference what each one is stealing or whether or not they could afford it without stealing it, they are both wrong and both equally wrong.
A rich man ALWAYS steals out of greed, a poor man may steal out of need. In general, the rich man will steal more and do less time for it (remember Enron?) Both men are just as wrong to steal, the poor man because he didn't trust God to provide, the rich man because he wasn't satisfied with the abundance God had provided.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 9:39:48 AM
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I explained what I think Cheerleading is in post #107
I'll explain cheerleading.
In the history of slavery, the actual owners/masters/rich/elite of slaves was probaly 20%- 25%
How was slavery able to go on so long?
the Cheerleaders.
They fought and died by the 100,000's for the owners/masters/rich/elite in the Civil War.
W.E.B Dubois called them the "unwashed masses"
I call them the Cheerleaders.
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You're the one contending that it's a sin to be rich, not me. So either be consistent and condemn ALL rich people or rethink your argument. Those are your only two choices .
Why are those my only 2 choices? I have never said ALL rich people. Surely alot of them.
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It's a really simple question: Did you or did you not research every single Forbes 400 company before you accused them of oppressing people? Yes or no. If yes, present the evidence. I'm not doing your homework for you. If no, then you are bearing false witness.
No, I know who is on the list. Walmart, Mars Candy, etc. All in other countries, oppressing people.
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You didn't know there were so many what? Christians who aren't prejudiced? Christians who don't hate others just because they have more money? Christians who don't covet someone else's wealth? Christians who don't assume the wealthy are all just fat, greedy, and arrogant? Christians who understand that many of the wealthiest people are also the biggest givers on the planet? Christians who understand that God's providence comes through many ways, including ways that you don't personally approve of? Christians who understand that it's because of some of these hard-working innovators that thousands of people have decent jobs to go to?
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 9:48:42 AM
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1/3 of ALL income
and the rest of us earned the remaining two thirds.
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 9:57:13 AM
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Sophie11
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
I explained what I think Cheerleading is in post #107
I'll explain cheerleading.
In the history of slavery, the actual owners/masters/rich/elite of slaves was probaly 20%- 25%
How was slavery able to go on so long?
the Cheerleaders.
They fought and died by the 100,000's for the owners/masters/rich/elite in the Civil War.
W.E.B Dubois called them the "unwashed masses"
I call them the Cheerleaders.
What does the slavery and the Civil War have anything to do with this thread?
Just because I do not want to rob the rich folks of their wealth does not mean I would give my life for them to gain another dollar. The comparison is ridiculous!
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RE: Discussion on the merits of the wealthy-You asked f... - 6/30/2008 10:54:20 AM
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I explained what I think Cheerleading is in post #107
I'll explain cheerleading.
In the history of slavery, the actual owners/masters/rich/elite of slaves was probaly 20%- 25%
How was slavery able to go on so long?
the Cheerleaders.
They fought and died by the 100,000's for the owners/masters/rich/elite in the Civil War.
W.E.B Dubois called them the "unwashed masses"
I call them the Cheerleaders.
*sigh*
The Civil War wasn't about slavery, really. In fact, Lincoln was initially vehemently opposed to slavery being listed as a cause. It was about taxation (the south claimed tariffs were aimed at this because they did more importing/exporting than the north, and southern goods were being taxed for export while northern goods were often not), interest rates (people in the south were forced to pay higher rates to banks than people in the north... sometimes to bail out banks in the north at that), loss of political power for southern states due to their populations increasing less rapidly than the northern states, state rights in general, and whether or not states could decide to secede from the union. Slavery wa | | |
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