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lightshineon -> Armour Bearer (6/25/2008 8:45:34 PM)

Hope I spelled that right. Pastor mentioned in wed. Bible study a man came by his office and offered to become his armour bearer. What is that? What does it entail, the duties and such? Has anyone heard of this. I heard it once before long ago, but, did not persue it further enough to ask. Is this a gifting, service or ministry. Thank You for kind responses, I am clueless, I know what a cup bearer is looking it up but not the other. Has anyone ben called to this ministry, gift, if there is such a thing? Thanks once more.[:)]



armydude -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/25/2008 11:06:36 PM)

What this person was likely offering was to be an assistant. That was the traditional role of the armor bearer; to assist the warrior. He held his weapons, his arrows, etc. as well as took care of his horse. A modern equivalent would be an executive assistant or an administrative assistant.

The military has the "Commander's Aide" which was basically the same thing.



KuKu -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/25/2008 11:15:32 PM)

The armor bearer's job was to care for the tools of the trade, and to be ready to help in battle (I understand kind of like a caddie in golf- mostly follows with the bag, but normally knows a thing or two if advice is requested) as needed.

I don't know how often the position is mentioned in the Bible, but in 1 Samuel 11, there is an example of a 'servant' willing to do anything for his 'master. It describes an armor bearer who was willing to follow Jonathan into battle, come life or come death. Partly, under normal circumstances, because it was his job, and partly, in this case, because of his belief in Jonathan's belief in his God.



lightshineon -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 8:06:57 AM)

Thank You, I think that is very nice of the man that made the offer, I was embaressed to ask (LOL). Thank you for the scripture referance also. Has anyone known anyone in this type of ministry? Are any of you involved in this type of ministry? Thanks so much.[:)]



armydude -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 8:09:34 AM)

I assist my senior pastor in anything he needs. So I guess you could say that. He's providing training for myself and the other ordained ministers. In my church, all the ordained ministers support each other, so I think we're a little strange in that regard. (Strange in a good way)



lightshineon -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 8:28:24 AM)

I think it is strange in a good way too.[;)] We in the kingdom have to be a little strange in a good way. Everyone in the Bible itself was a little strange. Jesus marched to a different beat. I am proud of you armydude, for sure I know the Lord is proud of your service.
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I assist my senior pastor in anything he needs. So I guess you could say that. He's providing training for myself and the other ordained ministers. In my church, all the ordained ministers support each other, so I think we're a little strange in that regard. (Strange in a good way)



earthless -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 8:35:56 AM)

A year ago Rod Parsley was offering people the chance to become his "armor bearer" for a "seed" of $1,000 and then he would "impart" his "anointing" to you.



lightshineon -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 8:50:37 AM)

Rod parsley is well you know. If he paid me 1,000 dollars I might be his armor bearer.
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ORIGINAL: earthless

A year ago Rod Parsley was offering people the chance to become his "armor bearer" for a "seed" of $1,000 and then he would "impart" his "anointing" to you.



KuKu -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 5:37:30 PM)

As a missionary, I had several :) Many I could send a prayer request on to and know they 'had my back' and a handful that could help me out in more tangible ways, from finances to logistical planning to physically supplying needs for a church or ministry situation. They were all important and very useful to me as I was on the 'battlefield'...



4IMPersuaded -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 7:25:02 PM)

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I don't know how often the position is mentioned in the Bible, but in 1 Samuel 11, there is an example of a 'servant' willing to do anything for his 'master. It describes an armor bearer who was willing to follow Jonathan into battle, come life or come death. Partly, under normal circumstances, because it was his job, and partly, in this case, because of his belief in Jonathan's belief in his God


This story came up in a study I did last spring. One of the older women in my group called the armor bearer in the story by name, "David." I didn't see this in my reading-- is there any reason to think that except for the precious way that Jonathan treated the "boy?" I know I'm a little off-topic, but I can't see this in my mind, now without picturing that beautiful friendship.

I don't know that I'd want an armor bearer. Aren't we supposed to have our armor on all the time so that we can thwart the flaming arrows of the enemy? [sm=tonguehappy.gif] Just a thought..



Shrommer -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/26/2008 11:02:42 PM)

I met a man in the parking lot with an "armor bearer" badge on his shirt. At first I thought he was a Mormon with an "Elder" badge. He seemed fine, and was glad to be an armor bearer for his pastor.

Then I visited my parents in North Carolina, near their church in Greenville, S.C. They think that being an armor bearer is one of the greatest things a Christian can do, and they lent us a book with the title Armor Bearer. My guess is that the book got this craze started, and then in another ten years it will all fizzle out.

Of course we all should honor and support our pastors and other Christian leaders. And no Christian should be alone in the battle. I wish we'd learn these truths by reading the Bible instead of through popular fads in our American Christian subculture.

Every Christian worker should have the desire to disciple another person who is less mature in the calling, and in this way we can not only do the Kingdom work, but also multiply the number of laborers in the harvest. Second Timothy 2:2 is a key verse on this.

You can read about the two on Moses' right hand and left who held up his arms when they got tired. Barnabus was the name "Son of Encouragement". Then there are people in helps ministries, etc. Elijah had Elisha. Elisha had Gehazi, but Gehazi left him down. Paul had Silas, but they had a falling out. Moses had Joshua. David had Jonathan.



lightshineon -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/27/2008 12:50:33 AM)

Well I am proud of those who are humble enough to be of service for pastors, or a missions worker like KuKu, really they are in service of the Lord. Servent Leaders is what it is all about INHO. I think it could get out of hand or cultish, if a man was not of the Lord, but it seems our friends kuku, and Army Dude are good Chistians, from what I have read, and are being servents.
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ORIGINAL: KuKu

As a missionary, I had several :) Many I could send a prayer request on to and know they 'had my back' and a handful that could help me out in more tangible ways, from finances to logistical planning to physically supplying needs for a church or ministry situation. They were all important and very useful to me as I was on the 'battlefield'...



pstrdebi -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/27/2008 12:53:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KuKu

The armor bearer's job was to care for the tools of the trade, and to be ready to help in battle (I understand kind of like a caddie in golf- mostly follows with the bag, but normally knows a thing or two if advice is requested) as needed.

I don't know how often the position is mentioned in the Bible, but in 1 Samuel 11, there is an example of a 'servant' willing to do anything for his 'master. It describes an armor bearer who was willing to follow Jonathan into battle, come life or come death. Partly, under normal circumstances, because it was his job, and partly, in this case, because of his belief in Jonathan's belief in his God.


I have read about Armor Bearers several times in the Old Testament. We have a dear friend/pastor who disciples some to be armor bearers. It is a very honorable position... The Armor Bearer serves the Pastor or other leadership with loyalty... he has "their back" so to speak.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

A year ago Rod Parsley was offering people the chance to become his "armor bearer" for a "seed" of $1,000 and then he would "impart" his "anointing" to you.


This is just sick! I used to like Rod Parsley... but I just can't handle listening to him anymore. He, along with so many others, seem to just sell, sell, sell their wares... most under the guise of non-profit [8|].



earthless -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/27/2008 8:08:45 AM)

That's because he is and always has been Word of Faith.



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slushie -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/27/2008 11:01:54 AM)

I guess I would say that I'm my youth pastor's armor bearer. I look out for him and make sure he doesn't forget things, and when he's discouraged I try to cheer him up.



lightshineon -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/27/2008 11:53:21 PM)

That is great, I wish I could have one (LOL) for the forgetting things part. I am sure our God will richly bless you.[:)] You sound so sweet and humble.
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ORIGINAL: slushie

I guess I would say that I'm my youth pastor's armor bearer. I look out for him and make sure he doesn't forget things, and when he's discouraged I try to cheer him up.



RJR_fan -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/30/2008 6:35:01 PM)

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What does it entail, the duties and such?


Well, Elisha "poured water over Elijah's hands." Reading the English translation of a Turkish novel explained that custom.

Imagine a society without toilet paper ...



David_D -> RE: Armour Bearer (6/30/2008 6:49:06 PM)

Not sure why the need for bizarre terminology like "armor bearer" to mean "friend". One of those things I'll never understand, I guess.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Armour Bearer (7/1/2008 7:19:38 AM)

In our church (urban mega-church) the "armor bearers" are guards/bodyguards. Some of them are armed. [&:]

I'm ambivilent about that. [>:]



slushie -> RE: Armour Bearer (7/1/2008 8:26:25 AM)

Well, I do have a lightsaber, and I carried it around a lot before.

I think armor-bearer has a really nice sound to it.



Consecrated2God -> RE: Armour Bearer (7/1/2008 12:00:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David_D

Not sure why the need for bizarre terminology like "armor bearer" to mean "friend". One of those things I'll never understand, I guess.


Sounds like Christianeze to me.



earthless -> RE: Armour Bearer (7/1/2008 5:48:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

In our church (urban mega-church) the "armor bearers" are guards/bodyguards. Some of them are armed. [&:]

I'm ambivilent about that. [>:]


Is it someone having a gun in church that bothers you or ?



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Armour Bearer (7/1/2008 6:09:09 PM)

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Is it someone having a gun in church that bothers you or ?


My inner anabaptist is horrified. [8D]

I'm still trying to work out when and if it is appropriate for a Christian actively doing ministry to use force if attacked. [&:] And how that meshes with the idea of martyrdom and accepting persecution as a fact of the Christian life.



earthless -> RE: Armour Bearer (7/1/2008 6:14:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

My inner anabaptist is horrified. [8D]


Ha ha.. I see. I have preached countless sermons with my off duty weapon on my side. No one (but my close family knew) ever knew because it was concealed.

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

I'm still trying to work out when and if it is appropriate for a Christian actively doing ministry to use force if attacked.


Same as it would be for a Christian not "actively doing ministry"....

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

[&:] And how that meshes with the idea of martyrdom and accepting persecution as a fact of the Christian life.


We have had some excellent threads in the 'Church' sub-forum regarding self-defense, the defense of those we are responsible for, etc..



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