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saved9201 -> How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 2:01:07 PM)

As most of you know, I'm an Obama defender, not supporter, but I still think some of the attacks on him are unfair, unfounded and some downright stupid. But I digress.

There's something going around the net calling Obama a "post turtle". Some of you may be familiar with the term. You'd be riding in the country and you'd see a turtle sitting on a post. Before you know it, people are feeding the turtle, giving it water, admiring the turtle. On the other hand, there'd be people criticizing the turtle, criticizing his "fans", and not understanding why this particular turtle is so engaging.

When finally someone asks the question, who put him up there? It gets quiet.

I mean, somebody had to put him up there. He didn't climb up there by himself. I think it would be a good question to ponder, and to ponder seriously, instead of all the other stuff we've been "pondering". How did Obama, with little political experience, from relatively humble beginnings, someone without the political "name", AND, did I mention he's black? [:D] How did he get to where he is today? Who put him up there?

- Julius



PhunkD -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 2:14:56 PM)

I think it was by the grace of God--not saying that he is a perfect person/candidate, but God uses imperfect people.

And really, if we believe God is sovereign (and I do)--who else could put him up there?



SuspenseWriter -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 3:10:51 PM)

Ummm....the prince of this world? The S-dude himself? Why blame God for Obama's rise?



djv1255 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 3:44:26 PM)

In 2004, a black senator from Illinois ran for President.
Lawyer, do nothing state official, do nothing US Senator just like Obama.

But does anyone remember Carol Mosley Braun? [;)]



ken1906_4 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 3:55:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SuspenseWriter

Ummm....the prince of this world? The S-dude himself? Why blame God for Obama's rise?


you're giving satan too much power and credit. Despite what satan do, God is still in control. Many Bush supporters said that Mr. Bush's 2 terms was ordained by God. Who is to say that if Senator Obama became president that this is not part of God's design also. If this is what God wants, then Senator Obama will become president, if not then it will be Senator McCain. God allowed Bush to be president for a reason and no matter how much I dislike the things he did while in office I had to suck it up and accept it. The same is true for whoever He(God) allows to become president in November. Whoever it is suck it up, get over it and accept it. No need to cry, moan, and complain. We are Christians for goodness sake what are we afraid of? We are suppose to be built for hard times, suffering, and persecution. If Senator Obama is the anti-christ which some of you are believing that he is well I guess we have to get our soul game up and be prepared to be persecuted and martyred. [:)]



rnershigh -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 4:14:44 PM)

Truly interesting question.



tafkam -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 4:55:13 PM)

Some people can get by, and go quite far, on their mindless charm, without having anything of real substance to offer.

That describes Obama to a tee......



cheeky_monkey -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 5:05:52 PM)

Stupid question. Did anyone even know who he was before Oprah introduced him to the world? I had never heard of him before that.



SuspenseWriter -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 5:09:49 PM)

Ken, you're right, and I apologize. It was a remark shot from the hip, and I was wrong.

I suppose my bafflement comes from so many Christians growing completely weak in the knees over this abortion-loving, gay-"marriage"-affirming, terrorist-appeasing, tax-raising yahoo. That's what prompted my remark.

But on reflection, you could be right. It could very well be that God Himself is letting this man dupe so many, because He's preparing a persecution from this situation that will cleanse and make ready His bride.

So why doesn't that make me feel better? [:o]



rcjames -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 7:12:44 PM)

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How did Obama get to where he is today?


I saw a movie a while back that reminds me of this, what was it called; oh yea, "The Devil's Advocate".

Thanks
RC



tracydolls -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 7:30:38 PM)

He got where he is by the Good Lord.

God lets Satan do what he does.

Even if he turns out to be whatever, it is what God wanted. Period.



TaoPoohBear -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 7:41:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saved9201

As most of you know, I'm an Obama defender, not supporter, but I still think some of the attacks on him are unfair, unfounded and some downright stupid. But I digress.

There's something going around the net calling Obama a "post turtle". Some of you may be familiar with the term. You'd be riding in the country and you'd see a turtle sitting on a post. Before you know it, people are feeding the turtle, giving it water, admiring the turtle. On the other hand, there'd be people criticizing the turtle, criticizing his "fans", and not understanding why this particular turtle is so engaging.

When finally someone asks the question, who put him up there? It gets quiet.

I mean, somebody had to put him up there. He didn't climb up there by himself. I think it would be a good question to ponder, and to ponder seriously, instead of all the other stuff we've been "pondering". How did Obama, with little political experience, from relatively humble beginnings, someone without the political "name", AND, did I mention he's black? [:D] How did he get to where he is today? Who put him up there?

- Julius


I remember his speech at the convention.

quote:

From Wikipedia - In July 2004, Obama wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Massachusetts. After describing his maternal grandfather's experiences as a World War II veteran and a beneficiary of the New Deal's FHA and G.I. Bill programs, Obama spoke about changing the U.S. government's economic and social priorities. He questioned the Bush administration's management of the Iraq War and highlighted America's obligations to its soldiers. Drawing examples from U.S. history, he criticized heavily partisan views of the electorate and asked Americans to find unity in diversity, saying, "There is not a liberal America and a conservative America; there's the United States of America." Broadcasts of the speech by major news organizations launched Obama's status as a national political figure and boosted his campaign for U.S. Senate


From that point forward, the media kept track of him.
I didn't think he had a chance this year against Hillary, but it seems he had two things going in his favor against her -
She's got alot of baggage (which made Rush Limbaugh's "endorsement" and Karl Rove's [on Fox News] "endoresment" of her during the primaries so laughable).
And America didn't seem to want a dynasty (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton).

He's been at the right place, at the right time. I wonder if Edwards will be his VP?
That might just make him unstoppable.



saved9201 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 8:10:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cheeky_monkey

Stupid question. Did anyone even know who he was before Oprah introduced him to the world? I had never heard of him before that.


I don't think we can give Oprah that much credit.

I'm just wondering who 1) Convinced him to run, 2) Masterminded the campaign 3) Organized the financial machine that collected an unprecedented amount of money 4)Directed him on how to react when the attacks began, etc.

I don't believe you get to the point he is without somebody, some group, some entity wanting you up there on that "post." He didn't get there on merit, his accomplishments are few. Can anybody name any other presidential candidate with such a thin resume? Don't get me wrong, considering our choices this year, he could be the best of the bunch, and may make a fine president, but I'm thinking:

Somebody definitely didn't want Hillary Clinton up there, who was almost assured of the nomination a year ago.

I just want to know who he'll be beholden to once he's elected.

- Julius



Sophie11 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 8:48:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saved9201

I'm just wondering who 1) Convinced him to run, 2) Masterminded the campaign 3) Organized the financial machine that collected an unprecedented amount of money 4)Directed him on how to react when the attacks began, etc.

I don't believe you get to the point he is without somebody, some group, some entity wanting you up there on that "post." He didn't get there on merit, his accomplishments are few. Can anybody name any other presidential candidate with such a thin resume? Don't get me wrong, considering our choices this year, he could be the best of the bunch, and may make a fine president, but I'm thinking:

Somebody definitely didn't want Hillary Clinton up there, who was almost assured of the nomination a year ago.

I just want to know who he'll be beholden to once he's elected.

- Julius


Those are great questions, I think I'm going to try to look into it, though I don't know how far I'll get. But hopefully others can find out some info too.



LivingParadox -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 8:53:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saved9201

quote:

ORIGINAL: cheeky_monkey

Stupid question. Did anyone even know who he was before Oprah introduced him to the world? I had never heard of him before that.


I don't think we can give Oprah that much credit.

I'm just wondering who 1) Convinced him to run, 2) Masterminded the campaign 3) Organized the financial machine that collected an unprecedented amount of money 4)Directed him on how to react when the attacks began, etc.

I don't believe you get to the point he is without somebody, some group, some entity wanting you up there on that "post." He didn't get there on merit, his accomplishments are few. Can anybody name any other presidential candidate with such a thin resume? Don't get me wrong, considering our choices this year, he could be the best of the bunch, and may make a fine president, but I'm thinking:

Somebody definitely didn't want Hillary Clinton up there, who was almost assured of the nomination a year ago.

I just want to know who he'll be beholden to once he's elected.

- Julius


*Thinks Dana Carvey as the Church Lady*

Who could it be? Could it be ....MOVEON.Org?



SovereignIsHe -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 8:53:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PhunkD

I think it was by the grace of God--not saying that he is a perfect person/candidate, but God uses imperfect people.

And really, if we believe God is sovereign (and I do)--who else could put him up there?


The grace of God didn't place Pharaoh into power... And yes God uses evil people and even Satan himself...

John



SovereignIsHe -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 8:54:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tracydolls

He got where he is by the Good Lord.

God lets Satan do what he does.

Even if he turns out to be whatever, it is what God wanted. Period.



Actually God controlls Satan... Read Job...


John



Sophie11 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 9:04:27 PM)

Interesting Article.

Not sure if it helps or not though, still reading it now.



tracydolls -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 9:44:38 PM)

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: tracydolls

He got where he is by the Good Lord.

God lets Satan do what he does.

Even if he turns out to be whatever, it is what God wanted. Period.



Actually God controlls Satan... Read Job...


John



One of my favorites Books of the Bible!

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride



RodneyJ -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 10:05:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PhunkD

I think it was by the grace of God--not saying that he is a perfect person/candidate, but God uses imperfect people.

And really, if we believe God is sovereign (and I do)--who else could put him up there?


Heh, when I seen this response, I wondered how long it would take a good man of God to come and say something so condemning and judgmental and luckily I didn't have to look far, nope, just one post below yours.



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 10:23:23 PM)

This election year has been quite interesting, but it is not over yet. I think God and the various people involved in the process still have some surprises up their sleeves.

I think God showed His sense of humor toward the Democratic Party by putting them into a position where by they would have to choose between backing a woman and backing an Afro-American as the first viable presidential candidate of a party that sees itslef as the champions of both groups.

Back to the question.

Generally and spiritually speaking, I would say that God has helped Obama get to where he is now. To me there is very little else that would explain his rather sudden appearance and rise in the ranks of the Democratic Party.

Speaking on a more down to Earth basis I would say that Obama has been extremely lucky in that he seems to have been at the right places at the right time, with the right connections and creditials to impress and capture the attention of some very influncial and powerful people within the Democratic Party (Kennedy, Durbin, etc). People who have an axe to grind with other powerful forces in the Deomcratic Party (Clintons. etc).

I find it interesting that a defender of Obama would have the same concerns that have been on my mind throughout this election perioid.



Lizahana -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 11:06:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: saved9201

As most of you know, I'm an Obama defender, not supporter, but I still think some of the attacks on him are unfair, unfounded and some downright stupid. But I digress.

There's something going around the net calling Obama a "post turtle". Some of you may be familiar with the term. You'd be riding in the country and you'd see a turtle sitting on a post. Before you know it, people are feeding the turtle, giving it water, admiring the turtle. On the other hand, there'd be people criticizing the turtle, criticizing his "fans", and not understanding why this particular turtle is so engaging.

When finally someone asks the question, who put him up there? It gets quiet.

I mean, somebody had to put him up there. He didn't climb up there by himself. I think it would be a good question to ponder, and to ponder seriously, instead of all the other stuff we've been "pondering". How did Obama, with little political experience, from relatively humble beginnings, someone without the political "name", AND, did I mention he's black? [:D] How did he get to where he is today? Who put him up there?

- Julius


As always, very well put, Julius - are you majoring in debate?

Anyway, IMHO, I believe it is a number of factors: that he is not part of the old political machine - IMHO, this works in his favor because EVERYONE I talk to - Republicans, Democrats, independents (I know many of all the aforementioned) - are tired of the old school, the old ways.

When I was asked what is so radical about Obama - Are you kidding me ? He wants to end taxes for seniors making less than $50,000/year - rightly so, they have blessed us with their presence and deserve this! That is a radical idea, IMHO. My mom has voted Republican all her life up until 2000 - and she's definitely voting for Obama. I'm not a senior, but I can see the appeal here.

His message about being a uniter is believable - his party and the Republicans scrutinize his decisons. Of course, you can say the same about McCain.

He does want to change the healthcare system, and supports efforts to curb global warming. I believe that the general consensus in the US supports the aforementioned.

I am independent, and am leaning towards Obama. I do not like his overtly pro-abortion stance; however, I don't think the Republicans do much better in the matter of returning sanctitiy of life back to the states; especially since McCain has not promised to use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominations.

And, IMHO, most importantly, I think Obama has the gift of expression - he is extremely gifted with not only the delivery of his speeches, but he is also very effective with his words. Really - Democrats are used to hearing speeches about how dire of situation our world is, how because of the dire situation, we need to raise taxes. Ever listen to Mondale? Just listening to him would probably convert you to a Republican for life. Obama's message is not the usual Democrat 'doomsday' message - it is a message of hope. It sounds cliche - but you have to remember what the Democrats are used to hearing - they're used the 'old guard' graying Mondales regurgitating why we need to raise taxes. Obama has awakened the meek Democrats to stand up and be proud of their beliefs, to have hope. Do I dare compare him as the Democrat answer to Reagan in the gift of gab? Mmmmmm...probably not on this forum [:D] The last Democrat that came remotely close to that was Clinton - but he had fatal flaws...

I think the Republicans should have picked a less moderate Republican who is younger - I don't know who decided that - Bush is criticized as being too liberal, and I consider him conservative. If McCain does not pick a conservative VP that falls far to the right - I think Obama may win.

Peace and God bless,



PhunkD -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 11:08:59 PM)

quote:



I'm just wondering who 1) Convinced him to run, 2) Masterminded the campaign 3) Organized the financial machine that collected an unprecedented amount of money 4)Directed him on how to react when the attacks began, etc.

I don't believe you get to the point he is without somebody, some group, some entity wanting you up there on that "post." He didn't get there on merit, his accomplishments are few. Can anybody name any other presidential candidate with such a thin resume? Don't get me wrong, considering our choices this year, he could be the best of the bunch, and may make a fine president, but I'm thinking:

Somebody definitely didn't want Hillary Clinton up there, who was almost assured of the nomination a year ago.

I just want to know who he'll be beholden to once he's elected.

- Julius


Actually, Obama was the mover for most of these--his money model was inspired by Howard Dean, but he built the network himself. On the question of how to campaign, whether to run, and how to handle attacks, he has defied the prevailing/conventional advice. He is remarkably independent. Nobody is completely self-made, of course, but for a politician, he is surprisingly un-beholden.



saved9201 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 11:10:40 PM)

quote:

I find it interesting that a defender of Obama would have the same concerns that have been on my mind throughout this election perioid.


The majority of attacks against him in this forum have been of the sort -Is Obama Muslim? What about his strange name? Does Obama like white people? Why isn't his wife proud of this country? Does Obama look like a monkey? I defended him because those foolish and irrelevant accusations, in my humble opinion, are the attempt by the right wing media to divert attention away from real issues because they have no better solution and no candidate they're excited about. So since they have no confidence whatsoever in McCain beating Obama outright, they feel their only chance is to make people afraid to vote for the other guy.

Meanwhile, no one ever asked the question, why him? Why Obama? Who put him up there and why? Why didnt' this same "machine" embrace Hillary? Or John Edwards? Sure, he's a good speaker, but to be honest, good speakers are a dime a dozen. And somebody wrote every word he spoke in those speeches. I'm just saying it's pretty obvious the management of his campaign has been very impressive, and I find it hard to believe he organized all this without some bigtime entity overseeing it all . A "Manchurian Candidate?" I wouldn't go that far. But think about it. Where have you seen anything like this before? Me? Never.

- Julius



saved9201 -> RE: How did Obama get to where he is today? (6/27/2008 11:13:01 PM)

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Nobody is completely self-made, of course, but for a politician, he is surprisingly un-beholden.


You know this for a fact?

- Julius



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