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SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/5/2008 6:51:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 Okay John and Tafkam, So, let's for arguments sake say that because Obama supports gay rights, abortion and because he sat in the "wrong" church for 20 years, three strikes and you're out -that he's not a Christian. Don't know where that's written. For starters... 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. For the record... For one to claim Christ and support things that are plainly evil compounds the sin... It would be better for Obama to not claim Christ if he going to continue to support plainly evil things. As well from position of ordained by God power... quote: I always thought if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you're a Christian. Period. Absurd... If the above were all it took we could have Pedophiles for Christ... quote: But like I said, lets for arguments sake say those three sins are show stoppers and he's not a child of God. For the sake of fun I believe repentence is part of the equation... Or in Obama's case, not part of the equation... quote: So do we have any biblical proof that McCain is a Christian? I really don't care... I wouldn't vote for him either... John

saved9201 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 10:35:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: I always thought if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you're a Christian. Period. Absurd... That explains a lot. - Julius

Lizahana -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 11:57:12 AM)
quote: Well, John, Obama says he's a Christian, just like you say you are a Christian. Obama was baptized. I have no power to judge that he is not a Christian. quote: So.... By supporting aboriton and the gay agenda he says in a much louder fashion it's a lie... It would seem if a person told you they were not punching you in the face you'd believe them, at least up to the point you were knocked out by thier blows... Definitely your opinion...mmm...and I see you phrased it to your liking - leaving out 'rights' in abortion rights...interesting. I have a question for you, John: what do you make of the women that actually get the abortions? If abortions are made illegal, should these women be put to death or given a life sentence, no chance of parole? And if you don't answer these directly, I will just assume you have no answer. quote: Now, I know you are going to say that you have the power to judge him a Christian or not. [:D] Go right ahead, all powerful one [:D] quote: Power? Nope... Just the command of God... Unlike yourself I understand that in order to not be led by wolves in sheepskins I must judge folks… Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.... "But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6). "And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15). "Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5). "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18). All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin. We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so. "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24). Leviticus 19:15. "You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor." "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them" (Ephesians 5:11). Expose them... John "1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2) "5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. (1 Corinthians 4-5) "9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 1:9) I am certain that the judging be left to God. Peace and God bless,

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 1:00:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: I always thought if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you're a Christian. Period. Absurd... That explains a lot. - Julius For instance your reason to cut the quote short? John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 1:33:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana Definitely your opinion...mmm...and I see you phrased it to your liking - leaving out 'rights' in abortion rights...interesting. Oh... If one simply attaches "rights" it's magically ok? By all means explain how that makes it differnt.. Of course this is nothing but obfuscation because you cannot refute the facts… Fact... Obama supports abortion and the gay agenda... Not my opinion... Fact... Or you can attempt make the case that God favors abortion and gay agenda... quote: I have a question for you, John: what do you make of the women that actually get the abortions? If abortions are made illegal, should these women be put to death or given a life sentence, no chance of parole? And if you don't answer these directly, I will just assume you have no answer. They should be treated like anyone else who hires someone to murder another person. Generally in this country that is consider pretty heinous and where it's the law they are given the death penalty... Or do ytou believe those who murder in the womb should be treated differnt than those who murder outside the womb... I will assume you have scripture to support if hold that view... quote: Now, I know you are going to say that you have the power to judge him a Christian or not. [:D] Go right ahead, all powerful one [:D] quote: Power? Nope... Just the command of God... Unlike yourself I understand that in order to not be led by wolves in sheepskins I must judge folks… Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.... "But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6). "And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15). "Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5). "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18). All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin. We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so. "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24). Leviticus 19:15. "You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor." "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them" (Ephesians 5:11). Expose them... John quote: "1Judge not, that ye be not judged. You seem to have dropped something... Ah yes, the rest of the scripture.... quote: 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2) If one judges in a righteous manner guess what? They are juded in the same manner... Here's the entire block of scripture... Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck out of your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5). If we condemn someone for something we do ourselves, we bring condemnation upon ourselves... That is what the above is referring to... quote: "5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. (1 Corinthians 4-5) The above is regarding judging with insufficient knowledge... quote: "9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 1:9) A rebuke stems from a judgment... For one to say, "The Lord rebuke thee" a judgment must have been made and a very strong one at that... quote: I am certain that the judging be left to God. I am certain you couldn't more wrong... 1 Corinthians 5 9-13. I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. John

Lizahana -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 1:42:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana Definitely your opinion...mmm...and I see you phrased it to your liking - leaving out 'rights' in abortion rights...interesting. Oh... If one simply attaches "rights" it's magically ok? By all means explain how that makes it differnt.. Of course this is nothing but obfuscation because you cannot refute the facts… Fact... Obama supports abortion and the gay agenda... Not my opinion... Fact... Or you can attempt make the case that God favors abortion and gay agenda... quote: I have a question for you, John: what do you make of the women that actually get the abortions? If abortions are made illegal, should these women be put to death or given a life sentence, no chance of parole? And if you don't answer these directly, I will just assume you have no answer. They should be treated like anyone else who hires someone to murder another person. Generally in this country that is consider pretty heinous and where it's the law they are given the death penalty... Or do ytou believe those who murder in the womb should be treated differnt than those who murder outside the womb... I will assume you have scripture to support if hold that view... quote: Now, I know you are going to say that you have the power to judge him a Christian or not. [:D] Go right ahead, all powerful one [:D] quote: Power? Nope... Just the command of God... Unlike yourself I understand that in order to not be led by wolves in sheepskins I must judge folks… Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.... "But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6). "And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15). "Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5). "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18). All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin. We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so. "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24). Leviticus 19:15. "You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor." "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them" (Ephesians 5:11). Expose them... John quote: "1Judge not, that ye be not judged. You seem to have dropped something... Ah yes, the rest of the scripture.... quote: 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." (Matthew 7:1-2) If one judges in a righteous manner guess what? They are juded in the same manner... Here's the entire block of scripture... Jesus said: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck out of your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye" (Matthew 7:1-5). If we condemn someone for something we do ourselves, we bring condemnation upon ourselves... That is what the above is referring to... quote: "5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. (1 Corinthians 4-5) The above is regarding judging with insufficient knowledge... quote: "9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 1:9) A rebuke stems from a judgment... For one to say, "The Lord rebuke thee" a judgment must have been made and a very strong one at that... quote: I am certain that the judging be left to God. I am certain you couldn't more wrong... 1 Corinthians 5 9-13. I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. John Well John, I disagree. "5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. (1 Corinthians 4-5) He is saying quite clearly, wait til the Lord comes. In Jude, He is saying not to accuse, but leave to the Lord, to rebuke. Let's agree to disagree; and get back on topic, please. Peace and God bless,

saved9201 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 2:26:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: I always thought if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you're a Christian. Period. Absurd... That explains a lot. - Julius For instance your reason to cut the quote short? John quote: Absurd... If the above were all it took we could have Pedophiles for Christ... Excuse me. I apologize. That explains a lot.....SIR! quote: So do we have any biblical proof that McCain is a Christian? quote: I really don't care... I wouldn't vote for him either... John So why do you care so much about whether or not Obama is a Christian? Wait a minute. My bad. You already stated it as fact therefore that subject is no longer debatable. Let me rephrase that: Why do you care so much for us ignorant imbeciles to try to convince us that Obama is not a Christian? - Julius

ladioffaith -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 2:34:28 PM)
Lizahana, Welcome to the world of elections in the forums. If the candidate is a Democrat, he or she is going to get criticized around here. That's the bottom line. I am an independent too, and don't waste my energy in this particular folder. Whenever I post here, I get misunderstood, and I am sure this post will be no exception. There are many to choose from that don't zap every ounce of my energy trying to defend myself. Stop by and visit us in Singles, women's, relationships, community lounge, etc. There are a lot of things to talk about that don't involve politics.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 2:34:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana Well John, I disagree. With the following? By all means explain how the person is to be removed from the church if judgment must wait till the Lord returns? 1 Corinthians 5 9-13. I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. quote: "5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. (1 Corinthians 4-5)He is saying quite clearly, wait til the Lord comes. That would mean that unrepentant fornicator should remain in church in direct conflict with 1 Corinthians 5... quote: In Jude, He is saying not to accuse, but leave to the Lord, to rebuke. The angels says, "Lord rebuke you..." That entails judgment... Can't say that without passing judgment... Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. To rebuke someone in the name of the Lord one must accuse and judge and you better do it righteously... quote: Let's agree to disagree; and get back on topic, please. I agree you have no idea what Jude is saying... Grammar alone doesn't favor your view, let alone the whole of God's word... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 2:40:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 Excuse me. I apologize. That explains a lot.....SIR! This is a lot of work to avoid your unfounded statement that all one must do is claim Christ and their actions are of no concern… quote: So why do you care so much about whether or not Obama is a Christian? Because Obama is the matter at hand and the question regarding McCain doesn't have anything to do with Obama's claim... John

saved9201 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 2:50:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 Excuse me. I apologize. That explains a lot.....SIR! This is a lot of work to avoid your unfounded statement that all one must do is claim Christ and their actions are of no concern… John Not avoiding at all. Because like you say, Obama is the matter at hand. Still, your take on the doctrine of salvation explains a lot. - Julius

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 2:56:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 Because like you say, Obama is the matter at hand. He is not? What does McCain have to do with Obama's claim of Christ? quote: Still, your take on the doctrine of salvation explains a lot. My take? Christ said if you love me, obey me... Not simply say some words and act in any manner one so chooses... John

saved9201 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/6/2008 4:46:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 Because like you say, Obama is the matter at hand. He is not? What does McCain have to do with Obama's claim of Christ? quote: Still, your take on the doctrine of salvation explains a lot. My take? Christ said if you love me, obey me... Not simply say some words and act in any manner one so chooses... John:3:16

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/7/2008 1:05:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 Because like you say, Obama is the matter at hand. He is not? What does McCain have to do with Obama's claim of Christ? quote: Still, your take on the doctrine of salvation explains a lot. My take? Christ said if you love me, obey me... Not simply say some words and act in any manner one so chooses... John:3:16 John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him The real funny part... Is that I am sure folks out there believe Obama loves the homosexuals he supports, yet in fact by his actions he really shows them nothing close to love. To support their agenda is to condemn them... As for his support for abortion... It goes without saying pertaining to his regarding for the unborn... There is none... John .

Lizahana -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/7/2008 6:54:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ladioffaith Lizahana, Welcome to the world of elections in the forums. If the candidate is a Democrat, he or she is going to get criticized around here. That's the bottom line. I am an independent too, and don't waste my energy in this particular folder. Whenever I post here, I get misunderstood, and I am sure this post will be no exception. There are many to choose from that don't zap every ounce of my energy trying to defend myself. Stop by and visit us in Singles, women's, relationships, community lounge, etc. There are a lot of things to talk about that don't involve politics. Thank you so much! You are very kind! I know what you mean. I'm actually going to take the advice of another lovely lady (solo_soprano), and ignore certain posters since it's futile to debate anything with them since they don't listen, and take words out of context. I will stop by on those other forums! Peace and God bless, PS I love your avatar! I have a grey tiger tabbey named Mathilda!)

Lizahana -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/7/2008 6:56:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: I always thought if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you're a Christian. Period. Absurd... That explains a lot. - Julius For instance your reason to cut the quote short? John quote: Absurd... If the above were all it took we could have Pedophiles for Christ... Excuse me. I apologize. That explains a lot.....SIR! quote: So do we have any biblical proof that McCain is a Christian? quote: I really don't care... I wouldn't vote for him either... John So why do you care so much about whether or not Obama is a Christian? Wait a minute. My bad. You already stated it as fact therefore that subject is no longer debatable. Let me rephrase that: Why do you care so much for us ignorant imbeciles to try to convince us that Obama is not a Christian? - Julius Exactly - well said. I was given great advice - just ignore him. Peace and God bless,

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/7/2008 11:32:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: ladioffaith Lizahana, Welcome to the world of elections in the forums. If the candidate is a Democrat, he or she is going to get criticized around here. That's the bottom line. I am an independent too, and don't waste my energy in this particular folder. Whenever I post here, I get misunderstood, and I am sure this post will be no exception. There are many to choose from that don't zap every ounce of my energy trying to defend myself. Stop by and visit us in Singles, women's, relationships, community lounge, etc. There are a lot of things to talk about that don't involve politics. I know what you mean. I'm actually going to take the advice of another lovely lady (solo_soprano), and ignore certain posters since it's futile to debate anything with them since they don't listen, and take words out of context. Yet more judgements from those who claim not to judge... Thanks for leaving no doubt you say one thing and do another... And of course I certainly don't need for you to reply in order to counter your argument or show that you in fact judge when you say you don't.... For the record... You have never refuted the fact Obama, the person you are leaning towards supports abortion and the homosexual agenda... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/7/2008 11:34:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lizahana quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: I always thought if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you're a Christian. Period. Absurd... That explains a lot. - Julius For instance your reason to cut the quote short? John quote: Absurd... If the above were all it took we could have Pedophiles for Christ... Excuse me. I apologize. That explains a lot.....SIR! quote: So do we have any biblical proof that McCain is a Christian? quote: I really don't care... I wouldn't vote for him either... John So why do you care so much about whether or not Obama is a Christian? Wait a minute. My bad. You already stated it as fact therefore that subject is no longer debatable. Let me rephrase that: Why do you care so much for us ignorant imbeciles to try to convince us that Obama is not a Christian? - Julius Exactly - well said. Not well said at all and simply posted to avoid the truth that Obama isn't what he claims... John

saved9201 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/8/2008 5:02:26 AM)
quote: Not well said at all and simply posted to avoid the truth that Obama isn't what he claims... John Duhhh. NO Politician is what he/she claims. They try to be who most people want them to be so they'll get the most votes and win. And most people don't want to hear the truth about themselves or their conditions, so most people vote for the guy/gal who makes them feel better about themselves. Obama and McCain and whoever you plan to vote for (unless you plan to write in yourself) are no different. That's why they call it politics. - Julius

davemiller7 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/8/2008 12:42:54 PM)
Your comment about most people voting for whomsoever "makes them feel good about themselves" is probably true of many who only get their news from 10 second soundbites from the major news media and spend the rest of their time listening to the latest Top 40 "music." These are the people who give us our "wonderful" presidents and lawmakers. We reasoning people don't vote for someone who simply makes us feel good about ourselves. We look at issues, listen to what they are really saying (and how many times they flip-flop), analyze their message, determine if we can believe what they say, determine how well their positions compare with our own positions on real matters (as opposed to whether Bill Clinton wears boxers or briefs), and vote accordingly I don't know why you think the "feel good" bit was worth mentioning, but it's your right to do so. -Dave quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 NO Politician is what he/she claims. They try to be who most people want them to be so they'll get the most votes and win. And most people don't want to hear the truth about themselves or their conditions, so most people vote for the guy/gal who makes them feel better about themselves. - Julius

GroupW -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/8/2008 12:59:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: davemiller7 Your comment about most people voting for whomsoever "makes them feel good about themselves" is probably true of many who only get their news from 10 second soundbites from the major news media and spend the rest of their time listening to the latest Top 40 "music." These are the people who give us our "wonderful" presidents and lawmakers. We reasoning people don't vote for someone who simply makes us feel good about ourselves. We look at issues, listen to what they are really saying (and how many times they flip-flop), analyze their message, determine if we can believe what they say, determine how well their positions compare with our own positions on real matters (as opposed to whether Bill Clinton wears boxers or briefs), and vote accordingly I don't know why you think the "feel good" bit was worth mentioning, but it's your right to do so. -Dave I agree with you, but infortunately recent evidence suggests that most people fall into the "feel-good" bucket. I'm very glad to see that you don't. The only thing worse than not voting is to vote in an uneducated fashion.

saved9201 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/8/2008 6:26:15 PM)
quote: I agree with you, but infortunately recent evidence suggests that most people fall into the "feel-good" bucket. I'm very glad to see that you don't. The only thing worse than not voting is to vote in an uneducated fashion. Unfortunately, in order to get elected, you have to get the votes of "most people." And even the "reasoning" people out there have egos they like stroked occasionally, ears they want to be tickled from time to time, and pet issues they want placed ahead of any other. While a good old fashioned fire and brimstone preacher may not have a problem with stepping on a few toes when he presents the truth, a politician who steps on enough of the wrong toes never gets out of the gate. Those who learn to play the game and play it well survive. The rest turn out to be radio talk show hosts or folk heroes. - Julius

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/8/2008 10:29:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: Not well said at all and simply posted to avoid the truth that Obama isn't what he claims... John Duhhh. NO Politician is what he/she claims. They try to be who most people want them to be so they'll get the most votes and win. And most people don't want to hear the truth about themselves or their conditions, so most people vote for the guy/gal who makes them feel better about themselves. Obama and McCain and whoever you plan to vote for (unless you plan to write in yourself) are no different. That's why they call it politics. - Julius Run Forest, run... John

saved9201 -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/8/2008 10:46:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: Not well said at all and simply posted to avoid the truth that Obama isn't what he claims... John Duhhh. NO Politician is what he/she claims. They try to be who most people want them to be so they'll get the most votes and win. And most people don't want to hear the truth about themselves or their conditions, so most people vote for the guy/gal who makes them feel better about themselves. Obama and McCain and whoever you plan to vote for (unless you plan to write in yourself) are no different. That's why they call it politics. - Julius Run Forest, run... John In fact, politics IS like a box of chocolates..... You never know what you're gonna get. - Julius

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? (7/8/2008 11:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 quote: Not well said at all and simply posted to avoid the truth that Obama isn't what he claims... John Duhhh. NO Politician is what he/she claims. They try to be who most people want them to be so they'll get the most votes and win. And most people don't want to hear the truth about themselves or their conditions, so most people vote for the guy/gal who makes them feel better about themselves. Obama and McCain and whoever you plan to vote for (unless you plan to write in yourself) are no different. That's why they call it politics. - Julius Run Forest, run... John In fact, politics IS like a box of chocolates..... You never know what you're gonna get. - Julius Sure we do... Liars... John

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