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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/8/2008 11:30:16 PM
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GroupW
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Sure we do... Liars...
John
Oh, come on. We get more than that.
Cheats, cheaters, flakes, fruits, nuts, spendthrifts, demagogues, yes-men, and once in a while someone who's actually decent.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 4:23:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
Sure we do... Liars...
John
Oh, come on. We get more than that.
Cheats, cheaters, flakes, fruits, nuts, spendthrifts, demagogues, yes-men, and once in a while someone who's actually decent.
BT
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:10:14 AM
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GroupW
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For the record, as someone who has studied overseas,speaks a foreign language, and has traveled extensively, not only am I frequently embarrassed by other Americans, I also overhear a fair number of conversations & jokes that folks didn't think I could understand. There's a fair number of Europeans that find us extremely amusing in this regard.
It may come as a surprise, but we are not universally held in high esteem across the pond.
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Edit: I don't think he's saying stay home. I think he's saying we need to expand our educational horizons & personal interests a bit. Americans do tend to focus on what's happening within our own borders to the exclusion of much else.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:19:36 AM
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Edit: I don't think he's saying stay home. I think he's saying we need to expand our educational horizons & personal interests a bit.
First of all GroupW. If this is what he is saying, then who do we blame for the education system we currently have????? They are currently ran by people just like himself. Second: Do the French know how we feel about them? I think they'd be frustrated to know. Finally: If we tend to mind the business in between our own boarders, explain, Iraq, Afghanastan, Viet Nam, Korea, WW's I and II, or any other conflict that we have been involved in trying to help out the rest of the world. Really, the Europeans need to stuff it and worry about who is going to save their sorry selves next time a mass murdering dictator decides to take over the world.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:30:43 AM
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Edit: I don't think he's saying stay home. I think he's saying we need to expand our educational horizons & personal interests a bit.
First of all GroupW. If this is what he is saying, then who do we blame for the education system we currently have????? They are currently ran by people just like himself. Second: Do the French know how we feel about them? I think they'd be frustrated to know. Finally: If we tend to mind the business in between our own boarders, explain, Iraq, Afghanastan, Viet Nam, Korea, WW's I and II, or any other conflict that we have been involved in trying to help out the rest of the world. Really, the Europeans need to stuff it and worry about who is going to save their sorry selves next time a mass murdering dictator decides to take over the world.
Personally, as far as our education system goes I think each of us is to blame for not insisting on better and getting involved more. Locally, I know we've not funded the schools appropriately and have only ourselves to blame as we continue to vote down new funding proposals. That isn't necessarily true for your jurisdiction, but it's accurate here.
The French are quite aware, and the French that I know think it's humorous. (There's a certain detachment involved in just being French.)
There is a difference between being active abroad (which we are), and being active in an educated fashion (which we tend not to be.) The question of the Europeans "stuffing it" is actually a decent one - it's historically been true that they spend a lower percentage of their respective GDP's on defense, relying on a large US defense budget to address national security issues. But that's a different topic altogether...
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:34:32 AM
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Locally, I know we've not funded the schools appropriately and have only ourselves to blame as we continue to vote down new funding proposals.
Are you kidding??? How much more $$$ can we throw at it. Altough I agree that we haven't demanded that those running it do a better job, how the current group of bozo's running our education system stay in their offices is beyond me!! But this is all off topic. And frankly speaking, I don't really care if the French know or not. But thanks
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:35:04 AM
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Yes, we all liked to be stroked from time to time, but there's a difference between a true compliment and patronization. I don't want a politician (or anyone else) to be merely saying things that they think I want to hear or empty platitudes. I want to know what their real platform is, what they really stand for, if anything.
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I agree with you, but infortunately recent evidence suggests that most people fall into the "feel-good" bucket. I'm very glad to see that you don't. The only thing worse than not voting is to vote in an uneducated fashion.
Unfortunately, in order to get elected, you have to get the votes of "most people." And even the "reasoning" people out there have egos they like stroked occasionally, ears they want to be tickled from time to time, and pet issues they want placed ahead of any other. While a good old fashioned fire and brimstone preacher may not have a problem with stepping on a few toes when he presents the truth, a politician who steps on enough of the wrong toes never gets out of the gate. Those who learn to play the game and play it well survive. The rest turn out to be radio talk show hosts or folk heroes.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/9/2008 10:42:28 AM
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Locally, I know we've not funded the schools appropriately and have only ourselves to blame as we continue to vote down new funding proposals.
Are you kidding??? How much more $$$ can we throw at it. Altough I agree that we haven't demanded that those running it do a better job, how the current group of bozo's running our education system stay in their offices is beyond me!! But this is all off topic. And frankly speaking, I don't really care if the French know or not. But thanks
Like I said, I know it's true in my locality. I'm glad it's not true in yours.
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how the current group of bozo's running our education system stay in their offices is beyond me!!
As long as parents remain uninvolved in the local school systems, bozo's will remain in place. In our locality, we were able to get a bozo removed in relatively short order. The degree of parental involvement is one of the key characteristics of high performing schools. Think of it as a form of accountability.
Frankly speaking, I don't care if the French know or not either. The French themselves generally don't care what we think. They tend to have some good insights once on a while, so it's possible WE should care a little more once in a while.
BT
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 7/12/2008 10:27:44 AM
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As far as Americans speaking other languages goes, there is not the need for it that they have in Europe. In Europe, the people can and do travel very easily from country to country like we here in the US travel from state to state. When the neighboring country speaks a different language then it is necessary to learn it and also easier I might add because the different languages spoken in Europe are heard more often by the people there.
In the US we learn mainly Spanish and French, I would imagine this is due to our closest neighbors being Mexico and Canada. It is the same concept as what the Europeans do except the US happens to be a much larger country and therefore not as many people tend to leave it.
If the different states of the US all spoke different languages then I would imagine there would be more people speaking those languages as well. Being that I live close to the border in my state I would know at least 3 languages. It is really a matter of necessity.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/27/2008 7:10:35 PM
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I am just mystified at all of the Obama posts - "He's Muslim, no he's Hindu. His healtcare plan is going to kill you."
Why? Why do people make this stuff up?
I think the conservative bloggers must be scared that Obama is going to win it all - otherwise why all the fuss, the energy?
Peace and God bless,
PS BTW, I'm an independent.
I wonder that too every time I come into this folder... 
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/27/2008 7:26:00 PM
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Well, once our public schools start managing to teach kids to speak, read, and write English, we can move on from there. Yes?
Otherwise... there are plenty of McCain and Palin posts too. It's a political forum. What do you expect really?
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/27/2008 10:26:20 PM
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so we have no record to judge him on and yet we do so well at judging him on it. :-\ Well, no, they make things up to judge him on.
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this particular forum gives a great peek into the inner workings of the fundy mind. Oh my, it does. I find that they rarely disappoint on an entertainment level but I'm not sure it fascinates me. Of course, I come from this background so I just mostly find it disturbing.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/27/2008 10:39:25 PM
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Well, no, they make things up to judge him on.
I don't think that it is neccesary to make things up about Obama, but is there a single thing he intends or has done that you wouldn't blindly defend?
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/27/2008 10:53:03 PM
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I don't think that it is neccesary to make things up about Obama, but is there a single thing he intends or has done that you wouldn't blindly defend? I very seldom do ANYTHING blindly. But on most of what has been important to me since he's been in the Senate...he's pretty much voted in a way I would agree with. He was against the war in Iraq from the get go and so was I. He's pro-choice. So am I. His tax plan is gonna help me more than hurt me, as most likely would his health insurance plan. But I don't expect that once elected that I would always agree 100% with what he would sign or not sign.
I don't understand that just because I support him for President that automatically makes me a blind defender. Why would you think that? That's kind of offensive, I generally consider you a little more rational than that. But maybe I'm mistaken. 
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 11:31:40 AM
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Well, once our public schools start managing to teach kids to speak, read, and write English, we can move on from there. Yes?
Otherwise... there are plenty of McCain and Palin posts too. It's a political forum. What do you expect really?
Look at when this thread was originally started and look back at the 40 plus pages, it's nearly all about Obama, which was the point of the OP, hardly any about McCain and Palin.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 11:49:07 AM
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You know, it's just possible that most of the posts are about Obama because the title of the thread is "Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central?"quote:
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Well, once our public schools start managing to teach kids to speak, read, and write English, we can move on from there. Yes?
Otherwise... there are plenty of McCain and Palin posts too. It's a political forum. What do you expect really?
Look at when this thread was originally started and look back at the 40 plus pages, it's nearly all about Obama, which was the point of the OP, hardly any about McCain and Palin.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 12:33:33 PM
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You know, it's just possible that most of the posts are about Obama because the title of the thread is "Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central?"quote:
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Well, once our public schools start managing to teach kids to speak, read, and write English, we can move on from there. Yes?
Otherwise... there are plenty of McCain and Palin posts too. It's a political forum. What do you expect really?
Look at when this thread was originally started and look back at the 40 plus pages, it's nearly all about Obama, which was the point of the OP, hardly any about McCain and Palin.
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Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central?
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 1:28:05 PM
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His tax plan is gonna help me more than hurt me, as most likely would his health insurance plan.
Oh, yeah? Just wait.
Obama and the congress don't have to "do" anything for your taxes to go up (if you are paying taxes, that is).
The Bush tax cuts expire in 2010. Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress will allow them to expire. Technically, they won't raise taxes, but anyone making $25,000 a year or more will be heavily impacted. A family earning $25,000 a year and filing jointly will be taxed an additional $715 a year. And of course it gets worse with higher incomes - taxes will be increased $1,512 a year for a family making $50,000 a year, and an additional $3,074 a year for a family making $75,000 a year. Here is an article that explains it in detail - and even suggests that if you want evidence, you can go directly the IRS web site to pull up the tax tables for the years immediately before and after the Bush tax cut.
Think you're immune to some of the other taxes? Think again. If an elderly aunt dies and gives you a modest inheritance of some stock, and you decide to sell it, you will have to pay capital gains tax. And Obama plans to increase that from 15% to 20%.
And we have already discussed in multiple threads on these boards the true impact of higher taxes on businesses, large and small. We all will be affected when the cost of goods and services go up. Many of us will be affected when our employers cut jobs in order to make up for the increase in taxes.
You may "get" something in the short run, but you are going to pay for it just as we all will in the long run.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 1:36:23 PM
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Well, maybe because we're getting ready to hand the reins of power off to a new guy and we want to make sure the new guy is as vetted as possible. My question is, why do people such as yourself consistently seek to quell any questioning of this guy who no one seems to know much of anything about? What are you worried about if your guy is so clean?
Umm... this statement was made was back in June...
How hypocritical it is, majority of Americans have had 2 years to know about Obama because that's how long this campaign as been going on. Yet fastfoward to now, and with the pick of Palin... I wonder do you even stand behind this statement when applied to her... my guess is that you don't.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 1:40:59 PM
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...majority of Americans have had 2 years to know about Obama because that's how long this campaign as been going on.
For at least the first year, and likely into early this year, most Americans likely thought Hillary was going to be the Democrat candidate for president.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 1:58:09 PM
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Well, maybe because we're getting ready to hand the reins of power off to a new guy and we want to make sure the new guy is as vetted as possible. My question is, why do people such as yourself consistently seek to quell any questioning of this guy who no one seems to know much of anything about? What are you worried about if your guy is so clean?
Umm... this statement was made was back in June...
How hypocritical it is, majority of Americans have had 2 years to know about Obama because that's how long this campaign as been going on. Yet fastfoward to now, and with the pick of Palin... I wonder do you even stand behind this statement when applied to her... my guess is that you don't.
We are just now finally getting some real information about who 0bama is. The more the truth comes out the more people realize they are being snookered by a marxist. As far as Palin every aspect of her life was examined and published within a couple weeks. They even went after her pregnant daughter and disabled baby.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/28/2008 2:07:05 PM
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How hypocritical it is, majority of Americans have had 2 years to know about Obama because that's how long this campaign as been going on. Yet fastfoward to now, and with the pick of Palin... I wonder do you even stand behind this statement when applied to her... my guess is that you don't.
That's about as intellectually disingenuous as it gets. Black is white, day is night, up is down. So, I guess I'll take my lunch hour, go down to the courthouse and cancel out your vote.
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RE: Is it just me, or is this Obama Watch Central? - 10/29/2008 1:51:30 PM
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That's about as intellectually disingenuous as it gets. Black is white, day is night, up is down. So, I guess I'll take my lunch hour, go down to the courthouse and cancel out your vote.
How is it so... you wrote back in June:
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Well, maybe because we're getting ready to hand the reins of power off to a new guy and we want to make sure the new guy is as vetted as possible. My question is, why do people such as yourself consistently seek to quell any questioning of this guy who no one seems to know much of anything about? What are you worried about if your guy is so clean?
And I asked fastfoward to now, and with the pick of Palin... I wonder do you even stand behind this statement when applied to her? My guess is that you don't because it's Palin and these same standards that some you all aplly to Obama, but when the same is applied to someone within the party you support, it's totally different, which would probably be the case here, correct?
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