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atheistinpeace -> RE: Faith and certainty (7/3/2008 3:47:00 AM)
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ORIGINAL: OneJohn410
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ORIGINAL: atheistinpeace
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ORIGINAL: OneJohn410
I'm sorry to read this. I was hoping you'd quit hiding behind your big words and just out and explain what's got you troubled. I'm not saying I'd try to make it all better for you, or say you were wrong for being troubled about it. God's already got all the positions of everything figured out, including those of everyone in His creation. Omnipotence... there's a big word for you. It's a powerful, awesome, humbling, and ominous thing to believe in Someone who created all and yet cares for you and for me.
Light was created after the Earth, the Bible says. That's interesting, but to be certain, you didn't quote where in the Bible you spotted this. Were you looking at the gospel of John chapter 1? But what is this... you didn't like my request to be any clearer, so why should I ask for any certainty?
Per your request, I'll let this one die down, faithfully and certainly.
OneJohn410
Not a particularly helpful post.
I've explicitly explained what concerns me about certainty. Where am I hiding behind big words? And I took your post into account when I submitted post#12, which included a clarification of what bothers me, so I don't know why you think I didn't like your request to be clearer. If there's anything I missed that you feel particularly merited my attention, I apologise.
The passage in the Bible I was referring to is Genesis 1:1-3. To be honest, I thought that was obvious!
AiP
aip,
You sure went back on your idea to let this one die down real quick. It's interesting how you diss the post of someone who's trying to understand what you are trying to say. Not very scientific. Sorry to have looked for certainty in what you were trying to say. The OP was vague, and everything that followed for me was take-offs on something that was IMHO gasping for breath and trying to make it to the end of the post. I was a volunteer of a vaguely worded poll, and you would not provide clarity.
Thread 12 your words quote:
GazingStock said that we can be absolutely certain that the supernatural exists, because it says so in the Bible. But it also says that that light was created after the Earth, which scientists are near enough certain is not true. There's a risk of this leading to a 'is the Bible/God real' discussion, which I'd prefer to avoid.
What or Who are the near enough certain scientists saying created the light? Let me guess... they take it on faith in their big bang theory- that there was creaking sound, a voice in the darkness saying, "Hey! What was that?!!?", followed by a clicking sound. Then light illuminated two small blobs of something impacting and making a soft smoosh sound?
]You are referencing the Bible, God's Word, for whatever purpose without noting book, chapter and verse, and you are talking about scientists studying the origin of the Earth, and not referencing your source(s). I read something about you gaining an appreciation for scientific theory and certainty in your world. Muddy posting, with certainty. Sorry to trouble you with things. God speed on your poll, and be sure to keep us up to date with your findings.
OneJohn410
You're right, it didn't die down. Out of courtesy, I responded to some additional points that came up.
Re. light, suggest you look up the Standard Model of particle physics. It's a vast field of study I can't hope to do justice to within a few paragraphs.
The reaction to me being on these forums has been very positive - plenty of people willing to ask and answer questions. And I've had some quite touching comments that suggest there are plenty who really quite enjoy discussing things with someone with whom they don't agree, especially when they (i.e. me) write civilly and thoughtfully. That's sort of changed with this thread. I don't need or want to be on the receiving end of personal attacks. So with that, I really will let this rather bitter thread die down. PM me if there's something you were going to point out or ask.
AiP
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