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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 10:43:55 AM
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mapachito13
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As far as I can tell from Mr. Horn's comments, he regrets going out there to see if he could get a license plate number or figure out which way they were going (which was stupid), but does not regret shooting the men in order to defend himself.
So basically he admits that he provoked the situation in some way by putting himself in harm's way!
BTW, one thing I've noticed about RTC states is that their assault rates are always higher than non-RTC states. I know that pulling a firearm illegally on a person is considered assault so I wonder if this cowboy mentality is responsible for this increase?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 10:47:26 AM
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mapachito13,
Forgive me but my initial reaction to your post is SO WHAT. What does his comments, AFTER THE FACT, have to do with what happened?
How many of us, in the heat of a situation, have taken drastic action, only later, after having time to reflect, have regretted taking such action?
Oh yes, please stick to the case and not let your imagination run away with you so that you make such ridiculus assumptions that some how this case is going to lead to people shooting each other whenever the urge strikes them simply because they have access to a fire arm. That is why each state has certain requirments for gun registration and ownership.
Maybe you should take a moment and reflect on your words and your thinking before you you say/ write such drastic things.
< Message edited by Leon_Figg3 -- 7/7/2008 10:54:56 AM >
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 10:52:24 AM
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So basically he admits that he provoked the situation in some way by putting himself in harm's way!
Only by sticking one's head in the sand and playing it safe by pretending that it's somebody else's job can one avoid putting one's self in harm's way.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 10:57:09 AM
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mapachito13
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mapachito13,
Forgive me but my initial reaction to your post is SO WHAT. What does his comments, AFTER THE FACT, have to do with what happened?
How many of us, in the heat of a situation, have taken drastic action, only later, after having time to reflect, have regretted taking such action?
Oh yes, please stick to the case and not let your imagination run away with you so that you make such ridiculus assumptions that some how this case is going to lead to people shooting each other whenever the urge strikes them simply because they have access to a fire atm. That is why each state of certain requirments for gun registration and ownership.
Maybe you should take a moment and reflect on your words and your thinking before you you say/ write such drastic things.
WELL PUT!
Well I can say that none of my "regrettable" actions involved taking a life!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 11:13:25 AM
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According to Mr. Horn, he didn't realize he was putting himself in harm's way... he was not expecting to run into them when he went out there. He expected them to be on the street leaving, probably in a vehicle.
We've all been in situations we wish we hadn't put ourselves into after the fact. Generally they seem like a good (or at least reasonable) idea at the time, we only have the hindsight to regret them later. If I hadn't taken that martial arts class, I wouldn't have snapped my left ACL when I caught my foot in the mat during a sparring tournament. If I hadn't been in such a rush loading the dishwasher, I wouldn't have dropped that nice plate and shattered it. That doesn't mean that it was wrong for me to want to try to get in shape and learn some self-defense techniques. That doesn't mean that I was wrong to unload the dishwasher. It just means that something happened that I wish hadn't as a result of those choices.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 11:29:58 AM
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But Jesus didn't give us that example in His crucifixion, did He?
Are you saying that allowing thugs to get away with murder, rape, and theft of a neighbor without challenge or an attempt to stop them is on par with Jesus willingly laying down His life to save those who repent of sin and receive His offer of eternal life?
That's bizarre on a whole new level!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 12:17:09 PM
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As far as I can tell from Mr. Horn's comments, he regrets going out there to see if he could get a license plate number or figure out which way they were going (which was stupid), but does not regret shooting the men in order to defend himself.
So basically he admits that he provoked the situation in some way by putting himself in harm's way!
BTW, one thing I've noticed about RTC states is that their assault rates are always higher than non-RTC states. I know that pulling a firearm illegally on a person is considered assault so I wonder if this cowboy mentality is responsible for this increase?
Assaults may be higher, but every other violet crime rate is LOWER. Including murder and rape.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 1:21:52 PM
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Are you saying that allowing thugs to get away with murder, rape, and theft of a neighbor without challenge or an attempt to stop them is on par with Jesus willingly laying down His life to save those who repent of sin and receive His offer of eternal life?
That is exactly what many are saying…if we don’t look them in the eye, maybe they will go away and leave us alone. People in their fear of violence condone it…it is always someone else’s problem.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 1:28:08 PM
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Pardon me, but didn't Jesus send His disciples out into the field, telling them to take with them 2 swords and a purse? Wonder what they might of needed those swords for???
Could it be protection from others who wish to do them harm??????????????
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 1:42:11 PM
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Well I can say that none of my "regrettable" actions involved taking a life!
Probably the right circumstances just have not presented themselves in your life as of yet.
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So basically he admits that he provoked the situation in some way by putting himself in harm's way!
Maybe a little better reading of the Texas law would be in order for you; in Texas a man can protect his neighbor's life or property with the same zean that one can protect their own.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 4:28:47 PM
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mapachito13
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But Jesus didn't give us that example in His crucifixion, did He?
Are you saying that allowing thugs to get away with murder, rape, and theft of a neighbor without challenge or an attempt to stop them is on par with Jesus willingly laying down His life to save those who repent of sin and receive His offer of eternal life?
That's bizarre on a whole new level!
No but chasing and gunning down two common thieves is taking vigilateeism to a whole new level!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 4:35:00 PM
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mapachito13
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Well I can say that none of my "regrettable" actions involved taking a life!
Probably the right circumstances just have not presented themselves in your life as of yet.
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So basically he admits that he provoked the situation in some way by putting himself in harm's way!
Maybe a little better reading of the Texas law would be in order for you; in Texas a man can protect his neighbor's life or property with the same zean that one can protect their own.
Thanks
RC
And abortion is legal so then why should we as Christians make such a fuss about something that is legal! Legal and right are two different things! It may have been legal but IMO it wasn't right! And no matter how you guys try to spin it I'll never feel Mr. Horn was justified in his actions.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 4:36:28 PM
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No but chasing and gunning down two common thieves is taking vigilateeism to a whole new level!
Just clarifying your logic...
So, how did he know that they were just common thieves and hadn't murdered, raped, and mutilated the family in the home?
Oh, and did he chase them down?
Just to see if the point made by the jury & law has been made clear: If it ever crossed your mind to commit a felony, which state would you be sure to avoid doing it?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 8:29:21 PM
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No but chasing and gunning down two common thieves is taking vigilateeism to a whole new level!
He sure did shoot them, but from looking at his picture i find it hard to believe this 62yr old fat man chased any body.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 9:48:23 PM
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mapachito13
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Well I can say that none of my "regrettable" actions involved taking a life!
Probably the right circumstances just have not presented themselves in your life as of yet.
That comment shows that you know nothing of my life or the barrio I grew up in. IMO Mr. Horn is no different than the gang bangers I grew up with defending their "turf" with lethal force! But I guess Mr. Horn is not from the barrio so that makes his killings OK!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 9:57:33 PM
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mapachito13
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Just to see if the point made by the jury & law has been made clear: If it ever crossed your mind to commit a felony, which state would you be sure to avoid doing it?
Heck I wouldn't even knock on a stranger's door to ask directions! I might get shot with them thinking I was an illegal alien there to rob them!
Oh well, I actually feel sorry for Mr. Horn because his type of celebrity will have him looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. The criminals may have gotten capital punishment for their crime but Mr. Horn got life without parole!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 10:03:24 PM
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That's a gross overstatement in regards to what happened.
Sounds like the old "there is no citizens arrest, that is always vigilantism" line.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/7/2008 10:10:08 PM
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mapachito13
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As far as I can tell from Mr. Horn's comments, he regrets going out there to see if he could get a license plate number or figure out which way they were going (which was stupid), but does not regret shooting the men in order to defend himself.
So basically he admits that he provoked the situation in some way by putting himself in harm's way!
BTW, one thing I've noticed about RTC states is that their assault rates are always higher than non-RTC states. I know that pulling a firearm illegally on a person is considered assault so I wonder if this cowboy mentality is responsible for this increase?
Assaults may be higher, but every other violet crime rate is LOWER. Including murder and rape.
Not rape. What's even more hilarious is that last year's 25 safest cities had seven from CA and only 2 from the gun loving RTC "safe" state of Texas. You think with all the safety that all these gun laws give to the people of Texas that their ranking of their cities would be higher!
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