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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/3/2008 9:44:49 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Are we talking about the same Texas that has put people on death row because their houses caught fire(and they have NO trained forensic people in any fire dept in the state) and people died? So you can shoot someone and get off but God help you if your home catches fire while you're at work? The whole legal system in Texas is a horrible joke.
You couldn't pay me anywhere near enough to live there.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/3/2008 11:08:27 PM
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It's sad to see Christians who care more about Texas law than about people's lives.
I'm glad Jesus saw the criminal on the cross in a different light than you folks do.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 12:04:12 AM
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But the criminal on the cross also saw Jesus as who He was.
Joe Horn went out his front door not to get a description of the criminals but to get a description of their car. That's when he was confronted by them less then two paces away from his front door in his front yard.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 12:23:59 AM
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You assume we care more about the law than we do the people. You are very wrong. I care about the people the law is in place to protect. That is the function of a civil society. Criminals do not care about the law or the people they victimize.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 12:27:35 AM
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One of the criminals on the cross went to hell because he didn't see Jesus for who He was.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 4:15:14 AM
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Double barrelled shotgun......................................................................................$600.00
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Texas law letting you kill two people that are running away from you......................PRICELESS!
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 4:39:06 AM
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Curious here - how far do they need to get, before you can no longer shoot them?
If you miss the first few shots, and they get to the end of the yard, can you still fire? Can you (legally) chase them down and shoot them, no matter how far they run?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 9:17:06 AM
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Sophie11
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Would anyone be trying to shoot them if they weren't coming out of a house they broke into with a sack full of stolen belongings?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 9:45:52 AM
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At least one of the criminals was a repeat offender with felonies. It's obvious he didn't learn his lesson from his previous run in with the law. If there were stricter penalties given for first time offenders it actually might be a deterrent however it's obvious that the current sentencing for crimes isn't working with the high recidivism rates. Because the criminal justice system is a joke it makes people like Joe Horn take matters into their own hands.
How do you know he wasn't arrested and let go several times in a city with liberal sanctuary laws like San Francisco where it is against the law to report to the feds someone's immigration status?
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A sanctuary ordinance in San Francisco is protecting young drug dealers from federal deportation in what a U.S. prosecutor is calling a "gaming of the system" for illegal immigrants.
The San Francisco Juvenile Probation Department has been shipping underage crack dealers to group homes in an effort to shield them from the feds under the city's 1989 "City of Refuge" ordinance, which prohibits city employees from informing Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents of illegal immigrants.
Up until last month, the department flew the drug dealers back to their home countries without informing ICE agents. But now, after being sent to the group homes under the new policy, the youths just run away.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374803,00.html
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 9:51:44 AM
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I guess they didn't realize that Houston isn't like San Francisco.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 10:24:54 AM
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rlj
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I guess they didn't realize that Houston isn't like San Francisco.
I honestly don't understand the mentality behind some of the "sanctuary" laws other than perhaps it is a cheap way to buy votes?
What would be the difference between some of the sanctuary laws then anyone? I know Houston, Denver and now SF have them and in SF they're silly. There were a couple of articles from the Bay area that were pretty critical of the SF situation.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 10:37:48 AM
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It's sad to see Christians who care more about Texas law than about people's lives.
It's sad to see knee jerk liberals who would let criminals continue in thier evil profession and would not defend themselves or their neighbors or their property.
Jesus told the diciples to buy swords, to even sell thier clothes to get the swords if necessary. I don't think the swords were for picking their teeth, the swrods were for protection,
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 10:42:08 AM
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We all need to remember that our government was founded upon the idea that we are all part of the government. That we can all perform an arrest if and when we observe and obvious crime. That we all have the right to defend ourselves and our property.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 11:07:51 AM
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way
It's sad to see Christians who care more about Texas law than about people's lives.
It's sad to see knee jerk liberals who would let criminals continue in thier evil profession and would not defend themselves or their neighbors or their property.
Jesus told the diciples to buy swords, to even sell thier clothes to get the swords if necessary. I don't think the swords were for picking their teeth, the swrods were for protection,
Thsnks
RC
Luke 6:29 (New International Version)
29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
Where are the swords?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 11:20:51 AM
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29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.
Where are the swords?
That was before Christ was to leave the earth, he speaks to the change in action here;
(Luk 22:35) And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
(Luk 22:36) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Please keep things in context.
Thanks
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 12:20:49 PM
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Our Nation is in the turmoil of utter confusion because of the apathetic outlook of so many people today. This applies across the board…we are afraid to take a stand, mainly because of the perceived pressure of the secular left on human rights. This is nothing more than Satan’s control of the strings of our moral understanding. Satan controls the media, judicial system and most of our government.
It’s time to wake up and take a stand…those who believe in freedom and justices based on the moral principles of God are the majority.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 12:45:19 PM
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You keep ignoring the fact that he shot them in the back. Why?
The law is moot anyway if the Grand Jury doesn't indict. They didn't. I applaud them and the state that actually allows people to defend themselves.
Answer the question
Let's say, back when he was out doing his dirty deeds, you saw Ted Bundy leaving your neighbor's house (not knowing if he butchered the whole family or just took a quarter) and he threatened to be back for you or your family members later.
Would you hesitate in shooting even if his back was to you and would you bother taking careful aim at his little toe?
I'm not shooting someone in the back simly because they said they would come back. We all say things that we don't carry through on; fyi these guys never threatened to come back anf get Mr Horn or his family and they were moving away when they were shot.
Another question:
Are you willing to put up a sign in your front yard stating: "ATTENTION: THERE ARE NO GUNS INSIDE!"
The sign at my house reads as follows: This house protected three nights a week by Smith and Wesson. You guess which three (better be right or the ambulance will be transporting you to the local hospital/morgue)
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 1:00:15 PM
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StephK
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There was a town in Georgia that had an ordinance passed where all homeowners were required to own a gun. Crime there dropped drastically. Ironically the two murders there were committed by people using knives.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 1:01:40 PM
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StephK
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I guess they didn't realize that Houston isn't like San Francisco.
I honestly don't understand the mentality behind some of the "sanctuary" laws other than perhaps it is a cheap way to buy votes?
What would be the difference between some of the sanctuary laws then anyone? I know Houston, Denver and now SF have them and in SF they're silly. There were a couple of articles from the Bay area that were pretty critical of the SF situation.
There is a serious lack of common sense in some of the reasoning behind those laws.
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 1:01:45 PM
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rhippie
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If I was on my own property and honestly thought that a known criminal was about to do me harm, is it okay for me to shoot them?
I'm curious what you think about that.
It's not defensive if you shoot someone in the back
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 1:03:45 PM
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rhippie
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The point of the incident being that he acted correctly according to Texas law.
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Surely you aren't saying that just because it's legal it is okay are you?
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 1:06:23 PM
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rhippie
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As for me... I have been trained in defensive shooting, and we are told that if we shoot, we MUST shoot to kill, aiming center mass, because it's the ONLY way we have a chance at stopping an assailant, especially if they're on drugs or something. I've trained in doing so. It's not something I want to do, but if someone comes at me, I will defend myself. If you think that's murder, well, okay, but I'm not going to agree with you.
As for me I would agree with this aspect. If I'm going to shoot someone then I intend to kill them; I'm not shooting to wound them; I'm not that good a shot.
That being said I would not shoot them in the back
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 1:08:16 PM
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rhippie
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When he went out his front door to look for a license plate number but instead found the two CRIMINALS less than two paces away from him and he saw them move in his direction, THAT'S when he was defending himself. The rest of your post is just hyperbole.
Based on the video they were at least 10 - 12 feet away. The detective took at least 5 steps from the tree to Mr Horn
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RE: Texas man cleared of killing suspected burglars - 7/4/2008 2:49:38 PM
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If I was on my own property and honestly thought that a known criminal was about to do me harm, is it okay for me to shoot them?
I'm curious what you think about that.
It's not defensive if you shoot someone in the back
It seems like the men (from the audio) were running away from the man... to escape... not coming toward him. I haven't read anything he said about it; I've just heard the 911 call a bunch of times. It sounds like they're running away, he tells them not to move and he shoots so they won't continue to run away/get away. When he shot them were they in his yard or running away... or running away, but in his yard?
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