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Galatians 1

8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

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ORIGINAL: Eric B

But again; it's not about what Olsteen teaches. I say "deflectionary", because people keep taking little things I say and creating tangents with them. So now, whatever I say about Washer and "tough preaching" means nothing because I have not "equipped myself" by reading the entire Olsteen thread and learning about everything he teaches. That is a deflection. Hence, I'm the one who keeps saying it is not about Olsteen. That started from a passing reference I made about him on the Washer thread.

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I hope this thread is more about the issue of what it means to preach "tough" and not about a particular preacher.

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I hope this thread is more about the issue of what it means to preach "tough" and not about a particular preacher.

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

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Galatians 1

8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

Guess what? Loud and angry preaching and railing about sin can be just as much of an ear tickler as the touchy feely appeal of someone like Joel Osteen. Granted the audience is different.

Oh, and for the record, "churchianity" started long before the 80s and the 70s as well.

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Galatians 5:13-25

13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

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John 8:1-11
Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
11 She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; from now on go and sin no more."

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Matthew 7:21-23.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

We're in agreement.

Just to clarify, I believe that those who truly are saved are sealed with the Holy Spirit guaranteeing their redemption, but certainly, someone who is indwelled with the Lord's spirit will not wallow in sin. Not saying they will reach sinlessness continually while in their fleshly bodies, but they will be subject to the conviction of the Holy Spirit when they sin and thereby the repentance that it produces.

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ORIGINAL: kingdele
Covaan_Meshuga,

I don't mean no offense, it seems that you are Jewish. I would just like to ask you if Jesus Christ is your Messiah and Lord. If so, then we can discuss New-Testament. But if not, we have to go back to the Tanakh and I will like to show you that Jesus is the promised messiah of Israel.

I don't mean any offense, but the discussion that I can have with a non-christian about religion is how they can come to Faith in Jesus. You might have, I just wanna make sure

sincerely

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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga

I have been a believer long enough that I forget all the time how long. Where's the calculator, where's the online calendar?

Ah, yes. 45 years -- since either July 6th or July 13, 1963. I should be able to remember 45.

And furthermore, salvation works. Messiah has been my L-rd, my G-d, my Savior, my Provider, my everything. He has brought me out of the worst of conditions into the best of conditions. He has amazed me with the births of two wonderful children who, with their families, are serving Him. He has never ceased being my Father, my Leader, my Guide. He brought me though marriage, widowhood, and remarriage. He has been there for me when my marriage was falling apart, and He healed it, giving me the husband I thought I was marrying 20 years ago.

Am I a believer in the One and Only Messiah, the Son of G-d, who died, who arose on the third day, who was seen of many, and who awaits at the right hand of the Father, who will return with all power and all glory, to whom every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that He is L-rd?

You betcha!