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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/8/2008 8:01:52 AM
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Sophie11
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Right now people go to emergency rooms for the common cold because that's the only place they can receive health care. They are not paying a dime so the hospital has to absorb the cost as well as treat these people in between the real emergencies taking up the hospital's space and the doctors and nurses time.
If everyone had health insurance, these people with non-emergency health problems would be in a doctor's office, not an ER. Is it starting to make sense now?
Wouldn't that just make doctor's offices just as crowded?
Darned if we do, darned if we don't! 
Yes. But emergency rooms will be free to handle EMERGENCIES! See the logic now?
I don't know if that's true or not. When the doctor's office has a 2 week or longer wait to get in to see the doctor, the people are still going to be heading for the ER for every sniffle because they can get treated immediately, besides whatever wait they may have in the waiting room.
IMO, the only way to truly eliminate folks running to the ER with every runny nose and papercut is to actually prohibit such ailments from being treated in the ER. Otherwise, I wouldn't expect anything to change. There are plenty of people who have health insurance who still use the ER for everything because it's easier than waiting for the doc's office.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/8/2008 10:21:46 AM
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I can't speak for all states, but everywhere I've lived and visited, have "convenient care" facilities, similar to ERs and doctors' offices. They have real doctors and nurses and can treat most non-life threatening problems. The waiting time there is usually minimal and keeps sniffles patients out of ERs. I've used them a couple of times when away from home and have been quite satisfied with the results. Of course, I doubt that they can deal with mental cases, as in the case of this woman who died.
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Right now people go to emergency rooms for the common cold because that's the only place they can receive health care. They are not paying a dime so the hospital has to absorb the cost as well as treat these people in between the real emergencies taking up the hospital's space and the doctors and nurses time.
If everyone had health insurance, these people with non-emergency health problems would be in a doctor's office, not an ER. Is it starting to make sense now?
Wouldn't that just make doctor's offices just as crowded?
Darned if we do, darned if we don't!
Yes. But emergency rooms will be free to handle EMERGENCIES! See the logic now?
I don't know if that's true or not. When the doctor's office has a 2 week or longer wait to get in to see the doctor, the people are still going to be heading for the ER for every sniffle because they can get treated immediately, besides whatever wait they may have in the waiting room.
IMO, the only way to truly eliminate folks running to the ER with every runny nose and papercut is to actually prohibit such ailments from being treated in the ER. Otherwise, I wouldn't expect anything to change. There are plenty of people who have health insurance who still use the ER for everything because it's easier than waiting for the doc's office.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/8/2008 10:59:04 AM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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ER's do not take sick babies very seriously. They see them all the time and they do tend to run very high fevers. I learned this the same way you did. For us it is horrible but for them it is just another sick kid.
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This is awful. How is it that no one went to help her or to see if she was ok? Unbelievable.
I had a horrible experience once at my local hospital. When my son was 10 mos. old he had a very high fever. I rushed him to the emergency room in a panic. By the time I got there he was unresponsive, his eyes were rolled back in his head, and he was not making a sound.
Needless to say I was freaking out! Anyway, in the end, regardless of my desperate pleas to have him seen right away, I ended up waiting almost an hour, crying the whole time thinking I was about to lose my baby right there.
By the time they took him his fever had reached almost 105. They gave him motrin and left me in the room for long periods of time without ever coming to check on him. Many other things happened that they did not take care of but for the sake of not ranting about it forever I will not get into all of it.
After being at the hospital for 8 hours they eventually just told me they had no idea what had caused the fever and maybe I should make him a doctor's appointment soon. I did and got him to his pediatrician the next morning at 9 am. Ended up being an ear infection.
The night at the hospital I informed the doctors that he was prone to ear infections and that those were the only other times he had ever had a fever, but it had never been that bad. Three different doctors looked in his ears that night and told me he did not have one.
I would say the biggest issue I had though was the waiting in the waiting room for so long. There was no one going ahead of me in dire need of treatment. A man with a sprained ankle, a woman taking her child for a runny nose and stuffiness, and others who I did not have the mind to pay attention to, but who walked into the ER on their own two feet so how bad could it be.
Not one of them offered for the hospital to take my baby ahead of them. Not even the other mother whos son was fine. That is what I cannot get over. They all simply ignored me and my son.
Anyway, I never expect the folks monitoring the waiting rooms to actually care anymore. I think I would fall over in shock if ever I saw one that did.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/8/2008 12:14:37 PM
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solo_soprano22
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I watched this yesterday. It is sad that our health care system is in such bad shape. People use to care about others, not anymore.
I think sometimes it's not caring (in this case), and sometimes the hospitals are doing their best with what they have to work with. I've seen so many hospital ER's with so many serious cases, that I can see how some would be left for a long while because they can't accommodate them all... or because there aren't enough doctors, etc. there.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/8/2008 12:34:35 PM
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solo_soprano22
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Leslie, I think sometimes... many times people in medicine get inured. There are doctors who've been at it for so long, that after a while stuff doesn't bother them. In a way some of that is good; in a way some of it isn't. There's some stuff that would probably bother others that doesn't bother me (but I'm not dealing with patients). I've seen some people gag at having to cut up bodies and put the parts into their designated buckets while doing labs (cadavers), but after a while it just became something I do. (Although I never had been uncomfortable to begin with.) What bothers person a might not bother person b... and I've seen doctors feel something for some patients and others who don't feel any emotion anymore.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/8/2008 6:08:39 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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Technically, the ER staff is supposed to screen incoming patients and determine who needs care and who can be referred to a regular physician or daytime clinic. And I will agree that illegal aliens and indigent folks DO take up space,time, and care needed for real emergencies. However due to lawsuits, the ER staff are afriad to make this call and instead treat everybody whether their situation is an emergency or not. Another reason is the lack of adequate healthcare staff. We are in a critical nursing shortage right now that is only going to get worse as more nurses are retiring than coming out of nursing school.
That being said, there is NO EXCUSE for the disrespect and arrogance shown by many ER staffers. If someone has collapsed or is having trouble breathing or remaining coherent, then the staff should move with all haste and get that person into care. No exceptions.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/11/2008 3:09:24 AM
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This didn't happen in an ER. It happened in a waiting room at a psychiatric hospital. And they didn't seem especially busy. The picture shows only one other person in the room at all. I think it may boil down to a weakening both of human compassion and work ethic. But in saying that I'm making assumptions as to why the hospital employees behaved as they did. We haven't heard their side of the story. It's highly unlikely they'd have anything substantial for a defense, though, that would weigh against the loss of human life.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/11/2008 8:15:04 AM
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solo_soprano22
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That's what I don't quite understand. Why was she in the psych ward? Did she not know she was physically ill? I wouldn't expect an ER case to show up in the psych ward, but maybe something mental was going on (with her) as well as other illness.
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RE: Tape shows woman dying on waiting room floor - 7/11/2008 2:09:13 PM
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Leslie_JnJs_mom
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That is too bad that it happens but that is not what I meant. I meant as moms we really tend to panic when our babies seem to be very sick to us. We race to the ER and think that the doctors would be all worried about our sick baby. They are not however. Babies tend to run high fevers when they are sick especially with ear infections and unless the baby is having seizures doctors are not very concerned. I found this out first hand with Jack and then when I talked to several doctors about ER visit. They all said that sick kids come in all the time that would have been much better to get motrin at home and taken to the doctor in the morning. Another ER doc said at church on day that with a vomiting baby an ER visit should not even be cosidered until the lips start to dry and crack. That is a sign of dehydration. I sure have loved that piece of information, it has saved me many hours in the waiting room of a hospital for no reason. I knew no matter how long it had been since my baby kept anything down as long as her lips looked moist and not dry at all she was doing all right.
I wonder why on earth she was waiting by the phych ward??? That is wierd.
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Leslie, I think sometimes... many times people in medicine get inured. There are doctors who've been at it for so long, that after a while stuff doesn't bother them. In a way some of that is good; in a way some of it isn't. There's some stuff that would probably bother others that doesn't bother me (but I'm not dealing with patients). I've seen some people gag at having to cut up bodies and put the parts into their designated buckets while doing labs (cadavers), but after a while it just became something I do. (Although I never had been uncomfortable to begin with.) What bothers person a might not bother person b... and I've seen doctors feel something for some patients and others who don't feel any emotion anymore.
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