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ORIGINAL: SAVDFRMDRKNES

Hello I am new here an after reading for several days through many diffrent forums have come up with some questions. Now I am still fairly A new believer and so myabe the answeres are somewhere i may have overlooked but what does the bible say about dinosaurs?

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ORIGINAL: SAVDFRMDRKNES

Hello I am new here an after reading for several days through many diffrent forums have come up with some questions. Now I am still fairly A new believer and so myabe the answeres are somewhere i may have overlooked but what does the bible say about dinosaurs?

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The descriptions of Behemoth and Leviathan do not match any description of a dinosaur.

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Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24

* It “eats grass like an ox.”

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* “He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”

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# Leviathan “played” in the “great and wide sea” (a paraphrase of Psalm 104 verses 25 and 26—get the exact sense by reading them yourself).
# Leviathan is a “reptile [a] that is in the sea.” (Isaiah 27:1)

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ORIGINAL: SAVDFRMDRKNES

Wow! Thank you! I never thought of that until I read those links. That is something I would like to show to my kids as well and any non believer that may ask that questoin. Thanks so much! :)

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ORIGINAL: unclemonkey
However, for those who choose not to keep our head in the sand HERE is an excellent article about dinosaurs and the Bible.

Also THIS is an excellent website.

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ORIGINAL: Raptorman

Ugh. Answers in Genesis already did a technical article about Behemoth, and apparently "tail" means not "penis," but "tail" (big surprise, I know). "Navel" may have been a word used metaphorically, though I could be wrong about that. "Tail" is likely not metaphorical, due to the AiG article. Believe me, I don't agree with everything they say, but the article is worth a look: http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/behemoth.asp

As for chewing: the passage could be only saying that the animal "eats" grass, sharing the diet of an ox. And even if the animal is said in the original Hebrew to be "chewing," it would depend on the dinosaur species. I forget if any species could actually move their jaws side to side for a chewing motion, but some dinosaurs had batteries of teeth which could grind vegetation to a pulp (hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, for sure, though I'll need to check and see if any large sauropods had this trait).

Now, as a comment to the OP and Unclemonkey: Leviathan, going by the description in Job 41, is a very unusual animal. To be sure, I think it was a real creature, but it seems to be something entirely different from a dinosaur. The marine reptiles (plesiosaurs, icthyosaurs, mosasaurs, etc.) were not actually dinosaurs; the dinosauria all had certain characteristics which marine reptiles don't share: a gentle S-curve in the neck, legs pointing directly down from the body, Saurischian or Ornithischian hips, etc. So if Leviathan was a marine reptile (it lived in the ocean, according to several Scripture verses), it does not fall under the category of dinosaurs, specifically.

However, even then, the fossil record of marine reptiles seems to not contain any creature even coming close to the Leviathan. When I look through the species we have discovered, I don't really see animals that strike terror into the deepest corners of my heart. I just smile and say, "Heh, that's prety cool." Leviathan was apparently something that made even warriors afraid. Even the largest of whales can be hunted, and so I don't think a 50-foot Mosasaurus would be a great difficulty, nor a creature which "regards iron as straw and bronze as rotten wood." And for that reason, I think that either Leviathan is an unknown species of marine reptile, or it is something wholly unlike any form of life we have yet discovered on this planet.

Just throwing in my 2 cents, guys. Hopefully these words can be of some use. Thanks for your time.

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However, for those who choose not to keep our head in the sand HERE is an excellent article about dinosaurs and the Bible.

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ORIGINAL: Raptorman

Ugh. Answers in Genesis already did a technical article about Behemoth, and apparently "tail" means not "penis," but "tail" (big surprise, I know). "Navel" may have been a word used metaphorically, though I could be wrong about that. "Tail" is likely not metaphorical, due to the AiG article. Believe me, I don't agree with everything they say, but the article is worth a look: http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/behemoth.asp

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ORIGINAL: SAVDFRMDRKNES

Hello I am new here an after reading for several days through many diffrent forums have come up with some questions. Now I am still fairly A new believer and so myabe the answeres are somewhere i may have overlooked but what does the bible say about dinosaurs?

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There are a few passages in Isaiah that mention the Leviathan. He was either amphibious since he's mentioned as a sea and land animal, or Lviatihan is a general term describing large beasts. Dinosaurs are a made-up name from the 19th century at the time of Jules Verne when people started making up their own history. That began the age of science fiction.

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ORIGINAL: Raptorman
Ugh. Answers in Genesis already did a technical article about Behemoth, and apparently "tail" means not "penis," but "tail" (big surprise, I know).

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As for chewing: the passage could be only saying that the animal "eats" grass, sharing the diet of an ox. And even if the animal is said in the original Hebrew to be "chewing," it would depend on the dinosaur species. I forget if any species could actually move their jaws side to side for a chewing motion, but some dinosaurs had batteries of teeth which could grind vegetation to a pulp (hadrosaurs and ceratopsians, for sure, though I'll need to check and see if any large sauropods had this trait).

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ORIGINAL: Carico

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ORIGINAL: SAVDFRMDRKNES

Hello I am new here an after reading for several days through many diffrent forums have come up with some questions. Now I am still fairly A new believer and so myabe the answeres are somewhere i may have overlooked but what does the bible say about dinosaurs?

There are a few passages in Isaiah that mention the Leviathan. He was either amphibious since he's mentioned as a sea and land animal, or Lviatihan is a general term describing large beasts. Dinosaurs are a made-up name from the 19th century at the time of Jules Verne when people started making up their own history. That began the age of science fiction.

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ORIGINAL: ianz

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ORIGINAL: Carico

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ORIGINAL: SAVDFRMDRKNES

Hello I am new here an after reading for several days through many diffrent forums have come up with some questions. Now I am still fairly A new believer and so myabe the answeres are somewhere i may have overlooked but what does the bible say about dinosaurs?

There are a few passages in Isaiah that mention the Leviathan. He was either amphibious since he's mentioned as a sea and land animal, or Lviatihan is a general term describing large beasts. Dinosaurs are a made-up name from the 19th century at the time of Jules Verne when people started making up their own history. That began the age of science fiction.

Carico--just a question--have you ever been to a Natural History Museum, or even the new Creationist museum? What name would you give all the exhibited very large animals which are long extinct?

Regards, Ian

Edit: I missed out Carico's paragraph in the quote

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ORIGINAL: Carico
Paleontologists don't hide the fact that they construct animals from bones they find or borrow from other exhibits. They also use plastic and glue to glue them together into what they imagine these animals would have looked like if they existed. There's no way to prove that those bones all came from the same body. Absolutely none. Even forensic scientists can't tell if the bones they find in one area came from the same body without DNA to prove it.

And since scientists dismiss the flood simply because it's in the bible, even though over 200 ancient cultures have given accounts of a global flood where only one family survived, then they don't even take into account that an area of scattered bones could have been from numerous animals and humans that washed up together in a basin. But since their goal is to disprove the bible, then if they find both animal and human bones, they claim that half-men- half apes once lived. That's another excellent example of leaping to the wrong conclusions based on what one finds. So those exhibits are called artwork, not science.

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ORIGINAL: ianz

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ORIGINAL: Carico
Paleontologists don't hide the fact that they construct animals from bones they find or borrow from other exhibits. They also use plastic and glue to glue them together into what they imagine these animals would have looked like if they existed. There's no way to prove that those bones all came from the same body. Absolutely none. Even forensic scientists can't tell if the bones they find in one area came from the same body without DNA to prove it.

And since scientists dismiss the flood simply because it's in the bible, even though over 200 ancient cultures have given accounts of a global flood where only one family survived, then they don't even take into account that an area of scattered bones could have been from numerous animals and humans that washed up together in a basin. But since their goal is to disprove the bible, then if they find both animal and human bones, they claim that half-men- half apes once lived. That's another excellent example of leaping to the wrong conclusions based on what one finds. So those exhibits are called artwork, not science.

Are you actually a Christian? (I'm not, just to clarify.) We cannot prove that God inspired Moses et al to write the Bible. Is that a piece of artwork too?

I won't bother challenging your unsupported claims since you never respond to direct questions anyway ...

Regards, Ian

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ORIGINAL: Carico

That's false. I answered your question about the exhibits in the museums. You can browse online to see that scientists do indeed borrow bones from other models for their exhibits. And God has made his existence plain through the miraculous design of every living thing. The degree of irrationality to which unbelievers go to deny that design make the events in the bible look like everyday events! Apes cannot turn into people in reality. They never have and they never will. And dinosaurs were invented in the 19th century by constructing sculpture using a variety of bones from many different animals. And that's why there are zero accounts of any ancient people talking about dinosaurs.

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ORIGINAL: ianz

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ORIGINAL: Carico

That's false. I answered your question about the exhibits in the museums. You can browse online to see that scientists do indeed borrow bones from other models for their exhibits. And God has made his existence plain through the miraculous design of every living thing. The degree of irrationality to which unbelievers go to deny that design make the events in the bible look like everyday events! Apes cannot turn into people in reality. They never have and they never will. And dinosaurs were invented in the 19th century by constructing sculpture using a variety of bones from many different animals. And that's why there are zero accounts of any ancient people talking about dinosaurs.

We cannot prove that God inspired Moses et al to write the Bible. Is that a piece of artwork too?

Funny how you say that there are zero accounts of any ancient people talking about dinosaurs. Where does that leave Leviathan?

Edit: by the way, here's an article about a Creationist group who un-earthed a complete skeleton of a dinosaur:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27686

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ORIGINAL: Carico
You first have to understand the bible to claim to refute it. So until you yourself know the history of the Jews, you aren't qualified to claim that Moses is a lair when he said he heard from God. So his words stand as true until you can prove him wrong. Sorry. [;)] But it's not hard at all to prove the theory of evolution wrong. All one needs to do is observe what animals and humans breed in reality and have a basic understanding of the birds and the bees. So since you believe theories that contradict reality, then you're not qualified to criticize the bible. [8|]

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ORIGINAL: ianz

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ORIGINAL: Carico
You first have to understand the bible to claim to refute it. So until you yourself know the history of the Jews, you aren't qualified to claim that Moses is a lair when he said he heard from God. So his words stand as true until you can prove him wrong. Sorry. [;)] But it's not hard at all to prove the theory of evolution wrong. All one needs to do is observe what animals and humans breed in reality and have a basic understanding of the birds and the bees. So since you believe theories that contradict reality, then you're not qualified to criticize the bible. [8|]

I didn't call Moses a liar. I asked how you can prove that he wrote his books of the Bible. And further how you can prove he was inspired to do so by God.

Of course, you can't prove it. Since it can't be proven, by your own description the bible is merely a work of art.

I'm only saying all this to point out the double-standards you are employing.

Regards, Ian

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ORIGINAL: Carico
You first have to understand the bible to claim to refute it. So until you yourself know the history of the Jews, you aren't qualified to claim that Moses is a lair when he said he heard from God.