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RE: physical contact - 7/6/2008 2:47:54 PM
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MC4JC
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I see nothing wrong with holding hands and kissing. As long as you are both commited to Christ and to purity you can ask for God's help in resisting the temptation to go further and have sexual contact. Its hard to do, but both people can do it with God's help.
It does help bind you together. But you have to stop and think...is this the person I want to be with for life. If you cannot see yourself being happy with her/him for the next 30, 40, 50 yrs, then resist temptation.
The Bible teaches that if you come together in an intimate way, you are "married" to each other. The most precious thing you can give to each other is your body - and you need to save it for the right person.
Have you talked of marriage? Are you engaged? Engagements don't need to be a long time. You date each other for a long time to know each other, engaged short time, then get married so you can be physically together.
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RE: physical contact - 7/6/2008 4:58:09 PM
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coinpurse
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Kissing (especially if tongue is involved) is lust to me...
I havent kissed anybody since becoming a Christian UNTIL this past weekend and I regret it...kissing is kissing and leads nowhere else for me...but its LUSTING and wish I didnt do it...Lust is sin.
and it clouds other things...
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RE: physical contact - 7/6/2008 10:43:16 PM
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Were you against kissing before marrying someone before this weekend Coinpurse?
I suppouse I've never been against physical contact between two dating Christians. I've always felt that anything beyond French Kissing (without having your hands crawling all over each other) was a good limit. But I guess I'm starting to reconsider that even.
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RE: physical contact - 7/7/2008 12:59:15 AM
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You said it all! I do not believe it is sinful to have physical contact with your significant other, but I do know that we all know our own limitations. If nothing else, your body will tell you. I also know that neither a man or woman should put themselves in a position where they know that they will be tempted to fornicate. Having limited, but innocent physical contact (kissing, hugging, and holding hands, I don't advise petting of any kind) is a part of courtiship. There is nothing wrong with it. In 1Corinthians 7:36, Paul talks about when a man begins to act in appropriately towards his virgin, then it is time to marry her. Sex is not the whole of marriage, but it plays a very intricate and important role. If you are with someone that you consider to be your significant other long enough, whether you have had limited physical contact or none at all, at some point in that relationship you will long to express your love for that person any a more meaningful way. We are human.
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If holding hands, kissing, hugging does not lead you into divers temptation to want to have sex...then there is nothing wrong...It is all a matter of control...The bible speaks of fornication...It does not spell out that one cannot hold hands, hug or kiss...However, if any of these leads you into fornication....then you are to refrain until marriage..
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RE: physical contact - 7/7/2008 1:17:18 AM
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coinpurse
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Yeah, I was against it for myself...I understand that other people can create their own boundaries...umm, I think with french kissing, a guy will easily put hands elsewhere on a girl...
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Were you against kissing before marrying someone before this weekend Coinpurse?
I suppouse I've never been against physical contact between two dating Christians. I've always felt that anything beyond French Kissing (without having your hands crawling all over each other) was a good limit. But I guess I'm starting to reconsider that even.
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RE: physical contact - 7/7/2008 6:21:12 AM
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They were also so used to being so cuddly clothed, that they felt embarressed to be visually seen by one another. Which is sad, because marriage is the ONE AND ONLY place where any two people should be "naked and unashamed."
This sounds more like a personal issue rather than a marital one.
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Now, of course, any sin can be repented of, and God can redeem and renew no matter what, but while it's still possible to make a change is a good time to do so.
Change what? Nothing immoral has happened between us, nor will it.
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GrapeApe, you said you set a limit not to go beyond marital boundaries, but from what I read in extreme teens, it sounds to me like you and your girlfriend have already done more than two unmarried people should.
I'm not even quite sure how to response to this.
1.) You're judging myself and my relationship based off of no background knowledge on your behalf.
2.) What you just said is merely assumptions and false accusations once again on your behalf.
Any poster or visitor reading your above statements would automatically assume that I have been involved in sexual immorality. That is a complete and utter lie generated on your behalf.
I find that disrespectful and without regard. My relationship is a personal matter, and only my girlfriend and I have full knowledge of our closeness. You're simply making assumptions based off of a false reality I'm not involved in.
What have we done that we shouldn't do otherwise unless married? Absolutely nothing. We've hugged, held hands, and kissed. Here I am feeling no guilt for any of it. Why? Because guilt isn't found in incorruptibility.
Maybe your personal convictions won't allow you to accept physical contact in a non-sexual intention, but that doesn't mean your own convictions are also mine.
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Now, don't get me wrong. I understand that no matter how far one stumbles, one can repent, and become completely renewed in Christ, however, I am just encouraging you at this point to do what is right in Christ.
You're acting as though I have done the ultimate sin, which I assure you otherwise. If I was stumbling, I wouldn't be promoting the act. I'm not stumbling because my heart's intention isn't reaching out to having sex.
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I see you are vp of xtreme teens. You are therefore in somewhat of a leadership position on these forums.
I wouldn't encourage another teen to put themselves in such a position to which they would fall from it. Not everyone falls by simply being close to someone.
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I would encourage you to reflect and think and ask yourself what is the best example to other teens on the forums.
If you want to focus on the positive example my relationship does have, you must first stop focusing on the false negatives.
Our relationship solely started with prayer.
Our relationship grew from prayer.
Our relationship gained assurance from prayer.
Our relationship moved in wonders merely from prayer.
Our relationship is a foundation of Christ.
Our relationship is strengthened each day through the love of Christ.
Our relationship is a living example of the wonders of God through His son, prayer, and pure faith.
God has blessed us with the strongest relationship I could've hoped for, and He continues to bless us beyond measure. Somehow, if we were such immoral people, I don't think that He'd be pouring out His blessing on us so frequently.
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Is it God honoring chaste behavior, or is it pushing the hormonal limits as far as you can?
No limites are being pushed.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 12:44:36 AM
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You said it all! I do not believe it is sinful to have physical contact with your significant other, but I do know that we all know our own limitations. If nothing else, your body will tell you. I also know that neither a man or woman should put themselves in a position where they know that they will be tempted to fornicate. Having limited, but innocent physical contact (kissing, hugging, and holding hands, I don't advise petting of any kind) is a part of courtiship. There is nothing wrong with it. In 1Corinthians 7:36, Paul talks about when a man begins to act in appropriately towards his virgin, then it is time to marry her. Sex is not the whole of marriage, but it plays a very intricate and important role. If you are with someone that you consider to be your significant other long enough, whether you have had limited physical contact or none at all, at some point in that relationship you will long to express your love for that person any a more meaningful way. We are human.
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If holding hands, kissing, hugging does not lead you into divers temptation to want to have sex...then there is nothing wrong...It is all a matter of control...The bible speaks of fornication...It does not spell out that one cannot hold hands, hug or kiss...However, if any of these leads you into fornication....then you are to refrain until marriage..
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Having limited, but innocent physical contact (kissing, hugging, and holding hands, I don't advise petting of any kind) is a part of courtiship.
I don't mean to sound rude but i really don't know how to phrase this question...who says that these things are a part of courting? It really is an innocent question.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:13:36 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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1.) You're judging myself and my relationship based off of no background knowledge on your behalf.
2.) What you just said is merely assumptions and false accusations once again on your behalf.
No, I was going by what you SAID in xtreme teens which came across as a lot of kissing, hand holding, and cuddling. To me, it almost sounded like "making out," had been going on, although that could have been misconception on my part. Out of courtesy for you, I will go back and read the thread to see if I misconstrued anything.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:17:19 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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Any poster or visitor reading your above statements would automatically assume that I have been involved in sexual immorality. That is a complete and utter lie generated on your behalf.
I would hope they didn't read it that way. I only said "pushing the limits," not full on sexual immorality, so if they take it that way, that is their mistake.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:21:14 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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I find that disrespectful and without regard. My relationship is a personal matter, and only my girlfriend and I have full knowledge of our closeness. You're simply making assumptions based off of a false reality I'm not involved in.
Actually, I may be wrong, but I believe you have made it a public matter by discussing it in the forums. I didn't make assumptions, I based my opinion on what you openly and publicy admitted to doing.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:24:34 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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What have we done that we shouldn't do otherwise unless married? Absolutely nothing. We've hugged, held hands, and kissed. Here I am feeling no guilt for any of it. Why? Because guilt isn't found in incorruptibility.
Ok, I am not going to argue against the holding hands and hugging, because those are things even done between friends and family. I think it wisest not to do those before marriage, but, you do have a point in that I can't really make a valid argument my way either.
However, I will stand by no kissing before marriage. I really believe the first kiss should be on the wedding day.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:28:47 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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You're acting as though I have done the ultimate sin, which I assure you otherwise. If I was stumbling, I wouldn't be promoting the act. I'm not stumbling because my heart's intention isn't reaching out to having sex.
Oh, no, I was NOT accusing you of having done the ultimate sin. The ULTIMATE sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and I certainly did not accuse you of that. I would be in danger before God if I did. Nor did I even accuse of you of having sex, or even setting yourself up to sin. I was merely trying to encourage you in what I believed would be a WISER choice.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:31:02 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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If you want to focus on the positive example my relationship does have, you must first stop focusing on the false negatives.
Our relationship solely started with prayer.
Our relationship grew from prayer.
Our relationship gained assurance from prayer.
Our relationship moved in wonders merely from prayer.
Our relationship is a foundation of Christ.
Our relationship is strengthened each day through the love of Christ.
Our relationship is a living example of the wonders of God through His son, prayer, and pure faith.
God has blessed us with the strongest relationship I could've hoped for, and He continues to bless us beyond measure.
Well, that's wonderful.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:33:34 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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if we were such immoral people, I don't think that He'd be pouring out His blessing on us so frequently.
Well, God does not bless us on our merit. Otherwise none of us would be blessed. He blesses us through His grace. And I never said you were "such immoral people," I was merely trying to lovingly share with you what I thought would be the wisest choice.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:35:14 AM
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Is it God honoring chaste behavior, or is it pushing the hormonal limits as far as you can?
No limites are being pushed.
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Well, I personally think some are, but we can respectfully agree to disagree.
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 4:37:35 AM
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OneOfHisJewels
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P.S. If you don't mind my asking, is Mandicot your girlfriend?
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RE: physical contact - 7/8/2008 9:24:41 AM
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Yep, I am GrapeApe's girlfriend.
Although you may see kissing before marriage as unwise and seemingly something to repent of, that is your own personal opinion. Unless you show me in Scripture where kissing is wrong, I'm going to continue to show love to my boyfriend in that way.
And just to re-emphasize what he has already said, nothing immoral is going on between us.
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RE: physical contact - 7/9/2008 8:50:50 AM
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Although you may see kissing before marriage as unwise and seemingly something to repent of, that is your own personal opinion. Unless you show me in Scripture where kissing is wrong, I'm going to continue to show love to my boyfriend in that way.
OK, I have to jump back in here somewhere  , and I guess this is a good a place as any. I am not attacking Mandicoot or Grapeape so please don't get protective of one another on me. It's just a discussion.
1 Cor. 7:1,2 was inspired by the Holy Spirit and says it is not good for a man to touch a woman. "To arouse passion" is the context from the original Koine Greek. It's not good to arouse passion by touching. The immediate following words in that sentence are regarding avoiding sin by getting married. Avoiding sexual sin, specifically. Those words are not an accident and God didn't have a brain freeze when He put those three ideas together.
Kissing is a sexual thrill and has it's proper place in the dance leading to intercourse.
In light of this verse, for someone to say "I'm going to touch my girlfriend (not wife) and it's OK" is in danger of making their opinion more important than God's Word. That's not a good place to be.
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And just to re-emphasize what he has already said, nothing immoral is going on between us.
That's good to hear! Yay!
Being married gives a person a perspective they didn't have before: my mate's body is MINE and mine is his. Scripture backs this up. 1 Cor. 7:4 Looking back, I wish now I had never held anyone's hand - because it wasn't the hand that now wears my ring - and had never kissed anyone - because those guys are now married to other women, not me, and my kisses would have best been saved for the one that now belongs to me. My body was going to be under the authority of the man I hadn't even met yet. Our bodies are not our own but belong to our mates and vice versa. So dating people who aren't engaged possibly will marry someone different and they are engaging in foreplay (marriage activity) with no righteous resolution outside of marriage and with possibly the wrong body.
So to insist on physically "showing love" to someone a person is not married to seems to usurp marriage and brush off what God has told us. I would think it best to want to do things as close to what God has said would be more appropriate for a Christian than to insist on doing things their own way that seems in contraindicate what God says.
Do you have any Scripture that would show the "no touch" policy of unmarried people of 1 Cor. 7 to be an unbalanced one or misunderstood? I don't pretend to be infalliable but will listen to reason from the Bible.
I really hesitated on staying on this thread because it could result in "I'm going to argue hard to protect my gf/bf" and I hope it doesn't degenerate into that, because then it's not a discussion but a pointless spitting match and waste of everyone's time. Please stick to the Bible for taking a stand; other concerns will fall out in their proper places thereby. Thanks!
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RE: physical contact - 7/9/2008 5:25:52 PM
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Dear all,
I wanted to add my humble reply here as well coming from experience with myself and dealing with teens in ministry and in and out of courtship/dating arrangements.
I think it is admirable that a young man wants to save himself for his bride like grapeape obviously does. I also think it is admirable that he believes God has given him enough willpower to resist temptation when kissing his GF. We need to be sure that we are not arrogant enough to push the limits or to give blanket statements that infer that our willpower is supreme over many other Christians.
I personally havn't met a man (that I have discussed these type of things with) that doesnt get turned by kissing a young lady that he is attracted to. Perhaps his GF has a will of steel. However Many young women don't realize that for most men a strong kiss is an invitation for the "launch sequence" to begin like God intended. In my experience many innocent Christian young ladies really dont know the strong desire and hormonal changes that are initiated by their actions or by the actions of the couple. I am not faulting the female, I just think that sometimes young ladies dont realize how mens bodies really work or how quickly young men can get excited. I think that this is in the correct marriage setting a wonderful thing that can be a joy for the couple but many times I have seen it a struggle for them to resist temptation.
Without getting into obvious detail, I can GUARANTEE that kissing in a passionate way makes other parts of the female and male anatomy change. The womans change is less obvious but real none the less. Basic medical fact. It is your body getting ready for intercourse. Duh you say...you knew that.
My point is that if somebody is kissing his/her sig other in a way that is passionate (for me and most other men this is anything more than just a peck on the cheek) enough for other body parts to physically alter then you are going too far. And if you tell me that passionate kissing your sig other doesnt make this happen then I think that either you are a human cyborg with other worldly emotional control or you are not being entirely truthful. God WANTS this to happen to your bodies when you start kissing and getting closer so why do anything that would tempt you to go further? Why not just get married sooner if it is Gods choice? I think it is nigh impossible to have a long drawn out relationship with kissing and close hugging to not progress somewhat. I like the idea of courtship with friends and family followed by a brief personal dating period say maybe a month or so then marriage...but that is just my opinion on the structure.
To me it is funny when people say that they can kiss, close hug etc without wanting other things to happen or having thoughts about other things or without having normal physiological changes take place that set a couple on a pre-sex sequence. I think you are denying that the natural course of physiology occurs in you somehow! OK thats all I have to say :)
Take care
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RE: physical contact - 7/9/2008 6:38:18 PM
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Hello everyone!
I personally, do not have a problem with hugging or light kissing (not passionate). But since I am married, I have no boundaries with my husband. But I think it is wise to just do light affection that you would a family member. Lets say, a light hug, or light kiss. That's normal even in families, so I wouldn't be against such things. But anything beyond that I believe is going to far.
We do need to be careful though not to make up legalistic rules about "no kissing." The Bible does not specifically forbid kissing, if anything, it says to greet each other with a holy kiss. Here in America though, we would definately be uncomfortable doing that.
Anyways, I think light kissing is ok. Anything beyond that, like French Kissing, will definately lead to sexual temptation, if anything, all the way to intercourse.
So my advise would be to keep affection light. The kind of affection you would give to your family and friends.
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
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RE: physical contact - 7/9/2008 8:47:35 PM
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Dear all,
I wanted to add my humble reply here as well coming from experience with myself and dealing with teens in ministry and in and out of courtship/dating arrangements.
I think it is admirable that a young man wants to save himself for his bride like grapeape obviously does. I also think it is admirable that he believes God has given him enough willpower to resist temptation when kissing his GF. We need to be sure that we are not arrogant enough to push the limits or to give blanket statements that infer that our willpower is supreme over many other Christians.
I personally havn't met a man (that I have discussed these type of things with) that doesnt get turned by kissing a young lady that he is attracted to. Perhaps his GF has a will of steel. However Many young women don't realize that for most men a strong kiss is an invitation for the "launch sequence" to begin like God intended. In my experience many innocent Christian young ladies really dont know the strong desire and hormonal changes that are initiated by their actions or by the actions of the couple. I am not faulting the female, I just think that sometimes young ladies dont realize how mens bodies really work or how quickly young men can get excited. I think that this is in the correct marriage setting a wonderful thing that can be a joy for the couple but many times I have seen it a struggle for them to resist temptation.
Without getting into obvious detail, I can GUARANTEE that kissing in a passionate way makes other parts of the female and male anatomy change. The womans change is less obvious but real none the less. Basic medical fact. It is your body getting ready for intercourse. Duh you say...you knew that.
My point is that if somebody is kissing his/her sig other in a way that is passionate (for me and most other men this is anything more than just a peck on the cheek) enough for other body parts to physically alter then you are going too far. And if you tell me that passionate kissing your sig other doesnt make this happen then I think that either you are a human cyborg with other worldly emotional control or you are not being entirely truthful. God WANTS this to happen to your bodies when you start kissing and getting closer so why do anything that would tempt you to go further? Why not just get married sooner if it is Gods choice? I think it is nigh impossible to have a long drawn out relationship with kissing and close hugging to not progress somewhat. I like the idea of courtship with friends and family followed by a brief personal dating period say maybe a month or so then marriage...but that is just my opinion on the structure.
To me it is funny when people say that they can kiss, close hug etc without wanting other things to happen or having thoughts about other things or without having normal physiological changes take place that set a couple on a pre-sex sequence. I think you are denying that the natural course of physiology occurs in you somehow! OK thats all I have to say :)
Take care
I 100% agree with. I can't find any better words to add this post, as it reflects my personal thoughts on the issue as well as serves as the application for the explanation I gave a while back. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this. God bless you!!!!!
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RE: physical contact - 7/10/2008 12:24:17 AM
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Well said, KellDog!
You brought up a point that I don't think anyone has touched on (forgive me) very much: the importance of short engagements. God didn't build our bodies for chastity, so when you find "the one" I think it's a good idea to get on with it and set a soon wedding date.
It begs the question of, why look for a mate if you aren't ready to marry (unfinished education, career isn't stable yet, etc.).
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RE: physical contact - 7/10/2008 9:15:22 AM
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Here's the deal. When my hubby and i dated, we tried to not do any kissing etc that would lead to sexual ignition. Anything that turns anybody on is obviously out of line. That includes the way we dress as women.
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RE: physical contact - 7/10/2008 12:25:47 PM
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Anything that turns anybody on is obviously out of line. That includes the way we dress as women.
Wow. That was straight-forward. I like that.
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"Ladies and gentlemen, there are things that you will only be able to learn by the weakest among us, and when you snuff them out, you are the one that loses." ~~Gianna Jesson, 1977 LA, CA, saline abortion survivor
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RE: physical contact - 7/10/2008 12:42:39 PM
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LawrenceJCaldwell
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Here's a segment from my in-progress book, My Little Children.
"But first let’s fast forward to the summer of 1986. I was halfway through graduate school. Bill Gothard was in town at the Philadelphia Civic Center for one of his weeklong Basic Seminars. A group of us from church piled into a car each night and drove over the bridge to learn wisdom from God’s Word through this gifted teacher. One night, with us younger guys and girls packed into the backseat, a discussion started about dating. The girls wanted to know what I thought. My reply cost me a great deal of kidding.
“God says in I Corinthians 7:1b – ‘It is good for a man not to touch a woman,’” I replied. Instantly the girl to my left started poking me in the ribs and mocking me saying, “Touch. Touch. Touch.” I couldn’t move but with each poke I glared at her seriously. She poked some more. The adults up front said nothing.
Why is this verse so important and what does God expect you to do with it? First, recognize the absoluteness of what God says. Simply put boys, don’t touch girls. And girls, don’t touch boys. Don’t. Not at all. Not with your hands and not with your body and not with your eyes nor your imaginations. You think this is not fair. You think this is too strict. Listen to what God says.
Proverbs 27:20 - Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
Guys, no matter how much you look and no matter how much you look away, your eyes will never be satisfied when it comes to girls. Never. Don’t try to convince yourself otherwise. Still don’t believe me? Take God’s Word for it.
Jeremiah 17:9 - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I’m landing this salvo right on your plate up front because you need to know it and not forget it as you continue reading this book and for the rest of your life. No matter how long you are a Christian, this verse always applies. The world will tell you things like:
Trust yourself. The answer is inside you. Look to yourself. You can only depend on yourself. Follow your heart.
This is fleshly, wicked advice. It comes from Satan. If you follow it, you will quickly find out how true the first part of Proverbs 27:20 is, “Hell and destruction are never full.”
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