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freakofnature -> GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/3/2008 4:24:13 PM)

And now for the rest of the story.

MAN GIVES BIRTH

An earlier thread on this subject seems to have disappeared, so I am providing the update.

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Thomas Beatie, the transgender man who made headlines as the so-called "pregnant man," gave birth Sunday to a healthy baby girl, ABC News has learned.





Kat_D -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/3/2008 6:22:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: freakofnature

And now for the rest of the story.

MAN GIVES BIRTH

An earlier thread on this subject seems to have disappeared, so I am providing the update.

quote:

Thomas Beatie, the transgender man who made headlines as the so-called "pregnant man," gave birth Sunday to a healthy baby girl, ABC News has learned.



Bet she "he" screamed like a girl in the late stages of labor![sm=raisedbrows.gif]




3cappuccinosmom -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/4/2008 12:59:09 PM)

The "man gives birth" is such an untruth. Drives me nuts.[:@]

"Thomas" was born a woman. He/she changed outward looks to appear to be a man, but kept those female reproductive organs.

Now, if a *real* man got pregnant and gave birth, I'd be truly astounded. But someone with a uterus and all it's accessories being pregnant and giving birth doesn't surprise me at all. [8|]




cynthia -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/4/2008 8:37:40 PM)

Men cannot give birth. The headlines stating that a man gave birth are outright lies. I don't even understand why this is news or why people are so facinated that this woman gave birth. She's not a man. People should be able to figure that out. Men cannot get pregnan or give birth. Everyone used to know this, but suddenly the masses are confused about what is a man and what is a woman. It's insane.




Starbucks880 -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/4/2008 10:22:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cynthia

Men cannot give birth. The headlines stating that a man gave birth are outright lies. I don't even understand why this is news or why people are so facinated that this woman gave birth. She's not a man. People should be able to figure that out. Men cannot get pregnan or give birth. Everyone used to know this, but suddenly the masses are confused about what is a man and what is a woman. It's insane.

Depends on your definition of man. Gender is much more than just genitals. I could type up a long thesis about it, but I won't. I don't think it is amazing since he didn't go so far as to get a hysterectomy, so he still had the right "equipment" to conceive and carry a child. The pictures of him in People were oddly fascinating in the same way you slow down and stare at a car wreck on the interstate. Anyway, you get a situation like the movie Junior and then you'd have a truly amazing phenomenon, since it would be completely impossible. I was a little underwhelmed by this story.




teaspoon61 -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/5/2008 12:04:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

The "man gives birth" is such an untruth. Drives me nuts.[:@]

"Thomas" was born a woman. He/she changed outward looks to appear to be a man, but kept those female reproductive organs.

Now, if a *real* man got pregnant and gave birth, I'd be truly astounded. But someone with a uterus and all it's accessories being pregnant and giving birth doesn't surprise me at all. [8|]



AMEN!!




Sophie11 -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/5/2008 11:12:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Starbucks880

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ORIGINAL: cynthia

Men cannot give birth. The headlines stating that a man gave birth are outright lies. I don't even understand why this is news or why people are so facinated that this woman gave birth. She's not a man. People should be able to figure that out. Men cannot get pregnan or give birth. Everyone used to know this, but suddenly the masses are confused about what is a man and what is a woman. It's insane.


Depends on your definition of man. Gender is much more than just genitals.


Yes, hence the comment about the confusion about "what is a man and what is a woman". And yes, it is insane.




cynthia -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/5/2008 2:04:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Starbucks880
Depends on your definition of man.

One of the greatest evils of our time is the redefinition of words and concepts. It is not about my definition. It is about truth. Your statements are from a position of moral relativism. There is such a thing as truth, without which, we cannot be saved. Moral relativism is corrupt and evil. I advise you to be careful in posting further, as false teaching is a tos offense.




Kat_D -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/5/2008 2:20:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cynthia

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ORIGINAL: Starbucks880
Depends on your definition of man.

One of the greatest evils of our time is the redefinition of words and concepts. It is not about my definition. It is about truth. Your statements are from a position of moral relativism. There is such a thing as truth, without which, we cannot be saved. Moral relativism is corrupt and evil. I advise you to be careful in posting further, as false teaching is a tos offense.


Hear, Hear!!![sm=thumbsup.gif]




HisFish -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/5/2008 8:56:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Starbucks880

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ORIGINAL: cynthia

Men cannot give birth. The headlines stating that a man gave birth are outright lies. I don't even understand why this is news or why people are so facinated that this woman gave birth. She's not a man. People should be able to figure that out. Men cannot get pregnan or give birth. Everyone used to know this, but suddenly the masses are confused about what is a man and what is a woman. It's insane.

Depends on your definition of man. Gender is much more than just genitals. I could type up a long thesis about it, but I won't. I don't think it is amazing since he didn't go so far as to get a hysterectomy, so he still had the right "equipment" to conceive and carry a child. The pictures of him in People were oddly fascinating in the same way you slow down and stare at a car wreck on the interstate. Anyway, you get a situation like the movie Junior and then you'd have a truly amazing phenomenon, since it would be completely impossible. I was a little underwhelmed by this story.

Why do you refer to her as "him"?. It is incorrect. God made her a woman, and there is nothing that can change that no matter how long a thesis it would be.




bzirk -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/5/2008 9:04:07 PM)

Good stuff, Cynthia.

I guess the only thing heartening to me personally is that I'm not so jaded that I can't still get physically ill at this kind of depravity. [sm=icon_smile_dead.gif]




cynthia -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/6/2008 1:23:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bzirk

Good stuff, Cynthia.

I guess the only thing heartening to me personally is that I'm not so jaded that I can't still get physically ill at this kind of depravity. [sm=icon_smile_dead.gif]

Tell me about it. My eight year old boy happened to hear about this on the news. I had to explain to him things that I should not have to go over with him (at eight years old or ever), like why this woman had her breasts cut off. I did learn from him that:

  • a. He doesn't want to marry a woman who had her breast removed for no good reason.
  • b. He wants to marry a woman with big breasts.

[&:]




SonInMe1 -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 5:58:23 AM)

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He wants to marry a woman with big breasts.


Proverbs 5:19

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A loving doe, a graceful deer-- may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love.


Sounds like a centered good christian young man.




cynthia -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 1:34:51 PM)

SonInMe. All I can do is giggle in response to that post.




3cappuccinosmom -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 1:45:03 PM)

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a. He doesn't want to marry a woman who had her breast removed for no good reason.
b. He wants to marry a woman with big breasts.


[sm=icon_smile_faint.gif]

[8D]




wareaglekd -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 2:25:24 PM)

We marvel at what the world finds entertaining & ask God how much more He can possibly take. And yet, He is so patient w/ us. kd




davemiller7 -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 3:46:24 PM)

The Bible tells us that Satan is a great liar, who can and will manipulate words, appearances, and concepts, etc. to gain his own ends. We need to be ever alert to these things.

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: cynthia

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ORIGINAL: Starbucks880
Depends on your definition of man.

One of the greatest evils of our time is the redefinition of words and concepts. It is not about my definition. It is about truth. Your statements are from a position of moral relativism. There is such a thing as truth, without which, we cannot be saved. Moral relativism is corrupt and evil. I advise you to be careful in posting further, as false teaching is a tos offense.




cynthia -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 3:47:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

The Bible tells us that Satan is a great liar, who can and will manipulate words, appearances, and concepts, etc. to gain his own ends. We need to be ever alert to these things.

-Dave

Amen. He calls good evil and evil good and then gets lots of people to believe him. We have got to be focused on truth, so we can spot the lies and be able to deal with them effectively.




uncabeeil -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 4:21:59 PM)

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Gender is much more than just genitals.
I agree, and it's a shame you're getting flamed for saying this. I thought personal attacks were a violation of TOS.




cynthia -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 5:18:19 PM)

To disagree with what someone has said is not flaming. No one suggested that he's not saved or even that's he's a bad person. The point is that we can tell if a person is a male or female based on their physicaly characteristics. (unless there is a serious deformity) When someone is born, we don't say, "It's a person!" We say, "It's a boy or it's a girl," because gender can be determined by simply looking.

The Bible says:
Genesis 5:2
2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.

Redefining gender is evil. It is vital that we understand that there is such a thing as truth regarding gender. We cannot go around redefining truth and expect to maintain our ability to think properly. That is moral relativism. Once we get on a slippery slope of moral relativism, we are on dangerous ground. Even our salvation is based on truth. The devil wants us to do away with truth in some things, so he can confuse us even about the truth of Christ's sacrifice and our eternal salvation. It doesn't matter where moral relativism starts. It all leads to the same place. We have to nip it in the bud and not allow it to grow.




ljmac -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 5:27:11 PM)

MENTALLY ILL, SELF-MUTILATED WOMAN HAS A BABY!




bzirk -> RE: GOOD NEWS-The baby is fine(???) for now (7/7/2008 5:38:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ljmac

MENTALLY ILL, SELF-MUTILATED WOMAN HAS A BABY!


Not sure I agree with the mentally ill part, but the rest is dead on. [8D]




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