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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/21/2008 2:28:47 AM
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Sophie11
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NOW I want to know why every thread is all about abortion and homosexuality when The Bible lists nothing of the length and detail as those two links I just gave you?
They're not, but this one is. There is also a thread on poverty and the wealthy. It seems you just don't like to talk about abortion, or are tired of always hearing about it. You should visit some of these other threads then and stay out of the abortion discussions.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/21/2008 10:45:49 AM
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NOW I want to know why every thread is all about abortion and homosexuality when The Bible lists nothing of the length and detail as those two links I just gave you?
They're not, but this one is. There is also a thread on poverty and the wealthy. It seems you just don't like to talk about abortion, or are tired of always hearing about it. You should visit some of these other threads then and stay out of the abortion discussions.
Perhaps you can answer my apparent attempt to get somebody to say why this issue is the MOST important in a political platform. Instead people just want to say what you say and just 'shew' me off and disregard it 
Then start a new thread on whatever topic you want. All I was saying is that this thread already has a topic and there are also already threads on the topics you want to discuss, so why not move to another thread where you will be happier?
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/21/2008 5:26:01 PM
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Instead of quoting each individual thing I am going to sum it all up. You said that God/Jesus is not concerned about temporal things, I validate and shall prove you are 100% wrong.
I sure you don't wish to quote... Since I never said what you are saying that I said... Since you cannot debate honestly why should I care what you have to say... Let alone your support for abortion...
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By all means make your case that Jesus was more concerned about the temporal matters over the spiritual...
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Here are Two very huge Bible passage links that basically list out things in order of how important Justice toward these temporal things you claim aren't there ARE important.
God made a web page?
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Babies and abortion aren't mentioned hardly any here. Abortion not period (thank you for finally admiting that to me) and babies reading through these passages really aren't mentioned.
Thanks for telling me you support abortion... Not that I am surprised...
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Let's see how fast you deny this to me after reading these two links.
Deny what?
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NOW I want to know why every thread is all about abortion and homosexuality when The Bible lists nothing of the length and detail as those two links I just gave you?
Only if you believe that killing unborn children is just...
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I would hope we vote (or at least pay attention) for ones who we would encourage and WANT do do things God's way instead of leading people down the wrong path.
God's way is supporting those who murder children? I didn't see any scriptural support for that one in what you posted...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/27/2008 7:40:29 PM
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You don't like abortion, why don't you do something about it?
I am.... Here and elsewhere... And it's related to the topic...
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Did you REALLY just say this? Wow what a great response! I gave you a long list of social injustice passages you ignored them because apparently ignorance is bliss, eh?
I ignored your claim of, basically list out things in order of how important
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You refuse passages in the Bible because I have a stronger scriptural case than you.
You have whatever it is you believe in your mind... I wasn't aware we add verses up and that's how we draw biblical conclusions... And I would give your view a lot more consideration if you didn't attempt to downplay the injustice to the unborn and even the bible view of homosexuals...
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Again with the one liners.
Again, with a denial that abortion is an injustice...
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This is ALL this thread is coming to is your one liners. This honestly is NOT that hard to discuss.
The topic, or the fact you wish to ignore it?
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1) You give me passages to support your case and why politicians (since it says McCain lets pick him) should make this a top issue.
That's not my case...
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/28/2008 3:22:53 PM
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I am.... Here and elsewhere... And it's related to the topic...
How are you "doing anything about it" on this website? You are only talking the talking. I've read you on other places on this site as well. And I see you talk rather repetitively on them.
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I ignored your claim of, basically list out things in order of how important
Well dear heart be offended, I can't help it you wish to ignore the obvious. Give me an abortion passage. I want AT LEAST one. I can name well none. I can name on homosexuality I can name let's see about 2-3 at least. YET these are the only two issues you want to harp on, why? Did Jesus go around doing this in His ministry? Nope he was more of a social advocate than anything. So why not, then, expect our politicians to be social advocates as well? Do you let only these "rightist" things you cling to so desperately be your dicatator? I have not once heard you take a stand on poverty, take a stand on helping those who are sick, take a stand on people who are truly in need.
*waits for you to ignore all I just said and say something smark alect instead*
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You have whatever it is you believe in your mind... I wasn't aware we add verses up and that's how we draw biblical conclusions... And I would give your view a lot more consideration if you didn't attempt to downplay the injustice to the unborn and even the bible view of homosexuals...
Let's see I gave you over 100 and you gave me, zip, nada. Why is that? Could it be that you are set in your ways and refuse to give me a decent convo other than your random one liners?
Again, tell me, was abortion and homosexuality a MAJOR concern for Jesus? Answer that one question without deflecting my argument for the 1000th time.
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Again, with a denial that abortion is an injustice...
Again, with the refusal for scriptural evidence.
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The topic, or the fact you wish to ignore it?
I think you do this just to see if you can make me mad or not. You are virtually impossible to carry a convo with. No wonder I have to take breaks from this. You wont' give me evidence, you won't give me scripture but just keep on and on and on on the same old song.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/28/2008 3:42:25 PM
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does as context is important when reading the Bible, you should take a look at McCain's overall views and the ones below he has expressed as far back as 1998:
Abortions should be legal only when the pregnancy resulted from incest, rape, or when the life of the woman is endangered.
Prohibit the late-term abortion procedure known as “partial-birth” abortion.
Prohibit public funding of abortions and public funding of organizations that advocate or perform abortions.
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What are Americans to believe? He either is .......
apparently not your trolling posts?
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/28/2008 3:57:16 PM
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How are you "doing anything about it" on this website? You are only talking the talking. I've read you on other places on this site as well. And I see you talk rather repetitively on them.
Making the point... What more do you want from the words posted on this forum?
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Well dear heart be offended, I can't help it you wish to ignore the obvious. Give me an abortion passage. I want AT LEAST one. I can name well none.
Any verse that speaks of murder, injustice... The bible doesn't have to speak of the means... People who are murdered by guns are still murdered even though the bible dosesn't meantion guns...
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I can name on homosexuality I can name let's see about 2-3 at least. YET these are the only two issues you want to harp on, why?
Any verse that speaks of fornication, sin, rebellion against God...
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Did Jesus go around doing this in His ministry? Nope he was more of a social advocate than anything. So why not, then, expect our politicians to be social advocates as well?
I wasn't aware the bible calls for politicians to be social advocates in the manner you speak of... And I don't agree with your view that Jesus' main focus was being a social advocate... The cross was the focus...
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Do you let only these "rightist" things you cling to so desperately be your dicatator?
What are these "rightist" things you speak of?
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I have not once heard you take a stand on poverty, take a stand on helping those who are sick, take a stand on people who are truly in need.
You don't believe the unborn are in need of something? Have you been on the forum for 8 years? I don't believe you can make that call...
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Let's see I gave you over 100 and you gave me, zip, nada. Why is that? Could it be that you are set in your ways and refuse to give me a decent convo other than your random one liners?
Every verse that mentions injustice and or murder applies to abortion...
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Again, tell me, was abortion and homosexuality a MAJOR concern for Jesus? Answer that one question without deflecting my argument for the 1000th time.
Sin is a very big issue with Jesus... Your argument is a website with a list of verses and that abortion isn't a injustice...
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Again, with the refusal for scriptural evidence.
I gave you scriptural evidence... I can't help it if you believe abortion isn't murder, or that homosexuality isn't a sin....
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I think you do this just to see if you can make me mad or not.
Nope... Though you seem bent on ignoring the fact this is a thread that pertains to abortion.
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You are virtually impossible to carry a convo with. No wonder I have to take breaks from this. You wont' give me evidence, you won't give me scripture but just keep on and on and on on the same old song.
I can't help the fact you refuse to see abortion(murder) as injustice...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/29/2008 6:16:00 PM
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Then I am thankful the Jesus that I read about in my handy Bible says otherwise. He fed the poor, helped the ones who are sick. He was a great social advocate. Even in the Old Testament if you read it as it says, you will see God's merciful side. The Prophets, God's spokemen, were downright mad that the higher classes were not helping out the less fortunate.
Why are our priorities not the priorities the God we serve in the Bible identical? They certainly aren't when I read these political discussion portions of this website.
Now let me repeat, why do we NEVER focus on this yet its literally a central theme of the Bible?
I've never been able to truly understand this. I am reading the Bible literally here.
Rebelman;
To give you the answer that you seem to desperately need there are several reasons why the two subjects of abortion and homosexuality seem to take precedence over the other issues you mentioned.
First off; the government has already done a lot to help provide for those in poverty, so much that we have become a welfare state. There are a lot of people who now take advantage of these programs and find ways to get funds without having to work.
Also, Jesus calls the individual to attend to these needs, not the government. It is the church's responsibility (both the body and the building) to take care of these needs. If every Christian would tithe and give offerings to the church we would be able to feed all the poor and house all the homeless. Unfortunately that is not happening.
Finally; abortion and homosexuality are two areas in which the government has passed legislation making them legal which is in direct opposition to God's word. Now if the government passed a law making it illegal to help the poor or house the homeless then we would have issue with that as well.
I really don't understand the argument that scripture says little about homosexuality and that it is silent on abortion. The bible is quite clear that homosexuality is an abomination to God, just read Romans chapter 1. How many times does God have to say something is wrong before it becomes wrong? Once!
As to abortion, well the bible isn't silent on that either. Abortion is murder plain and simple and I can quote for you several verses that denounce murder. Just let me know if you want and I will post them all.
God created life, life begins at conception, to intentionally end that life is considered murder in the eyes of God.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/30/2008 2:59:11 AM
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Great post inthysite. I offer a few comments.
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First off; the government has already done a lot to help provide for those in poverty, so much that we have become a welfare state. There are a lot of people who now take advantage of these programs and find ways to get funds without having to work .
Agreed. I think our welfare programs need to be revamped. The government is not very good at efficency. But if I had to choose between having a program that helps the truly needy but also allows moochers to be lazy or not having the program and denying the needy that help I'll choose to have the program. But the goal should be to fix it to where the help is available to those who need it (with the primary goal of getting them to a place where they no longer need it) without funding the moochers.
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Also, Jesus calls the individual to attend to these needs, not the government.
Absolutely
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It is the church's responsibility (both the body and the building) to take care of these needs.
Absolutely
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If every Christian would tithe and give offerings to the church we would be able to feed all the poor and house all the homeless.
I agree with a caveat, Christians need to take on the responsibility of making sure their tithes and offerings go to a place where the money would be used wisely. Christians constantly give money to places that use the money for selfish desires and other stuff that has nothing to do with supporting God's Kingdom spiritually (through preaching the Word and discipleship) or materially (providing for those in geunine need).
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Unfortunately that is not happening.
And those people in need can't wait until the church gets its act together. So while it would be great if the government no longer had to help those in need I don't really know who else can or will.
I'm glad you addressed this. Many have the false impression that Christians don't care about the poor. Untrue, many of us just think that the government isn't the best institution to help these people.
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Finally; abortion and homosexuality are two areas in which the government has passed legislation making them legal which is in direct opposition to God's word. Now if the government passed a law making it illegal to help the poor or house the homeless then we would have issue with that as well.
Again, this shows that we do care. Its just that the issues are apples and oranges. Therefore they require different courses of action.
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The bible is quite clear that homosexuality is an abomination to God, just read Romans chapter 1. How many times does God have to say something is wrong before it becomes wrong? Once!
Yes and no. There are many debatable issues and people twist the Word for their own ends. Therefore, because God knows how stubborn and stupid we are (in the flesh) I think on the truly important stuff the Word repeats it several times so we 'get it" and are without excuse. Homosexuality is such an issue and the Bible has multiple admonistions against it.
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As to abortion, well the bible isn't silent on that either. Abortion is murder plain and simple and I can quote for you several verses that denounce murder. Just let me know if you want and I will post them all.
I completely agree. There is no difference between taking a life while he / she is forming inside the womb and taking life after he / she is born. However I think our poster is looking for a Bible verse that says abortion is the same as murder. Right now the argument is "abortion is murder and the Bible condemns murder therefore the Bible condemns abortion". But you're not offering a Bible verse that states that abortion is murder. Permit me to help, using my handy Nave's Topical Bible:
Exodus 21: 22-25, NIV
{22}If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely, but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. {23}But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life{24}eye for eye, hand for hand, foot for foot {25}burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
In my reading of this passage it is saying that the unborn child (or the child born prematurely due to outside circumstances) is the same as any other human being. Abortion is basically the premature removal of a child from the womb. Partial birth abortion is the removal of the child from the womb then killing him / her (because the extraction process itself might not be sufficient to kill the child so the brain gets sucked out). The part I bolded (life for life) I feel applies to the child otherwise why would the passage be talking about a pregnant woman instead of any woman, pregnant or not.
BTW: I actually wanted to use the King James but I didn't want anyone to miss this. I'm sure the majority of you can read the King James just fine but I wanted to be certain the meaning was clear.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/30/2008 12:31:11 PM
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I agree with you 100%. But just to clarify, I was not saying that the government should not help the poor but rather trying to point out why poverty and homelessness isn't as big an issue during elections.
I fully agree that the social programs need a lot of work and also agree that I would rather deal with corruption and help those in need than not help anyone to avoid corruption.
Also, when I mentioned tithes and offerings I was speaking of their church where they have membership. Of course not thinking outside the box I wasn't considering the many Christians who do not belong to a local church and the many mislead Christians who send money to those mega-churches on television.
Again I agree with you (sounding like a broken record here), tithes and offerings should be given to those with a proven track record of ministry.
I appreciate your Scripture verse and again I agree with you. However, not everyone interprets it that way, this verse has been brought up but the argument always comes that it is talking about serious injury to the woman and not the baby and that it is talking about a pregnant women only in the context that if she delivers early there is penance to be paid.
I don't agree with that interpretation and agree with you that the serious injury applies to all involved, the two men, the pregnant woman and/or the baby.
But in case you missed it I will say it once more, I agree with you 
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/30/2008 1:06:50 PM
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But just to clarify, I was not saying that the government should not help the poor but rather trying to point out why poverty and homelessness isn't as big an issue during elections.
Don't worry, it was clear to me the first time. You presented it very well.
Thank you for the kind words.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/30/2008 4:02:05 PM
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You're a brave man, thomas2008 - be prepared.
I agree McCain is wishy-washy on this subject. Which is why, on a presidential level, IMHO, the issue of abortion is a moot issue. McCain has not promised he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees. But, you'll get every excuse in the book why he is the best candidate on this issue, when he cannot promise to tow this issue...
Many people want to agree he's wishy- washy so they can justify voting for the guy who without a doubt supports the <cough> right for some to commit murder in the womb...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 7/31/2008 10:35:56 PM
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Many people want to agree he's wishy- washy so they can justify voting for the guy who without a doubt supports the <cough> right for some to commit murder in the womb...
John
My two cents again:
I think if one looks at his record, McCain is hardly wishy-washy on abortion/pro-life matters. IMO, not being 100% pro-life does not equate to being wishy-washy on a subject.
McCain may be moderate (even left of center) on some issues, but abortion isn't one of them.
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/1/2008 7:35:44 AM
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You're a brave man, thomas2008 - be prepared.
I agree McCain is wishy-washy on this subject. Which is why, on a presidential level, IMHO, the issue of abortion is a moot issue. McCain has not promised he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees. But, you'll get every excuse in the book why he is the best candidate on this issue, when he cannot promise to tow this issue...
Many people want to agree he's wishy- washy so they can justify voting for the guy who without a doubt supports the <cough> right for some to commit murder in the womb...
John
If he can't promise to use a litmus test on SCJ nominees, how can he tow this issue at the executive level?
And it's not rationalizing, John. It's a fact that Republican presidents have put in the majority of SCJ in the last almost three decades and still RVW has not been overturned. Examples: Bush I put in Souter - highly lauded by conservatives at the time - and he votes with the liberal wing. Reagan put in SCJ Kennedy - also highly lauded by conservatives back in the day - and Kennedy had THE deciding vote in '92 to overturn RVW (Casey v PP) and he did NOT vote to overturn RVW. In other words, why do SCJ appointees matter? RVW has not been overturn in 3 decades of mostly Republican appointees to the court.
And btw, I don't care how many times your going to say, "it's rationalizing", etc, etc, etc. I won't respond because it's not - I present facts above, John, no matter what you say.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/1/2008 11:59:01 AM
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You're a brave man, thomas2008 - be prepared.
I agree McCain is wishy-washy on this subject. Which is why, on a presidential level, IMHO, the issue of abortion is a moot issue. McCain has not promised he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees. But, you'll get every excuse in the book why he is the best candidate on this issue, when he cannot promise to tow this issue...
Many people want to agree he's wishy- washy so they can justify voting for the guy who without a doubt supports the <cough> right for some to commit murder in the womb...
John
If he can't promise to use a litmus test on SCJ nominees, how can he tow this issue at the executive level?
And it's not rationalizing, John. It's a fact that Republican presidents have put in the majority of SCJ in the last almost three decades and still RVW has not been overturned. Examples: Bush I put in Souter - highly lauded by conservatives at the time - and he votes with the liberal wing. Reagan put in SCJ Kennedy - also highly lauded by conservatives back in the day - and Kennedy had THE deciding vote in '92 to overturn RVW (Casey v PP) and he did NOT vote to overturn RVW. In other words, why do SCJ appointees matter? RVW has not been overturn in 3 decades of mostly Republican appointees to the court.
And btw, I don't care how many times your going to say, "it's rationalizing", etc, etc, etc. I won't respond because it's not - I present facts above, John, no matter what you say.
You can deny it till the cows come home but in the end it just rationalizing, and of course if you believe both candidates support abortion you still have a problem supporting abortion if you vote for either of them... There's the facts...
John
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/2/2008 1:40:36 AM
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You're a brave man, thomas2008 - be prepared.
I agree McCain is wishy-washy on this subject. Which is why, on a presidential level, IMHO, the issue of abortion is a moot issue. McCain has not promised he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees. But, you'll get every excuse in the book why he is the best candidate on this issue, when he cannot promise to tow this issue...
Many people want to agree he's wishy- washy so they can justify voting for the guy who without a doubt supports the <cough> right for some to commit murder in the womb...
John
If he can't promise to use a litmus test on SCJ nominees, how can he tow this issue at the executive level?
And it's not rationalizing, John. It's a fact that Republican presidents have put in the majority of SCJ in the last almost three decades and still RVW has not been overturned. Examples: Bush I put in Souter - highly lauded by conservatives at the time - and he votes with the liberal wing. Reagan put in SCJ Kennedy - also highly lauded by conservatives back in the day - and Kennedy had THE deciding vote in '92 to overturn RVW (Casey v PP) and he did NOT vote to overturn RVW. In other words, why do SCJ appointees matter? RVW has not been overturn in 3 decades of mostly Republican appointees to the court.
And btw, I don't care how many times your going to say, "it's rationalizing", etc, etc, etc. I won't respond because it's not - I present facts above, John, no matter what you say.
You can deny it till the cows come home but in the end it just rationalizing, and of course if you believe both candidates support abortion you still have a problem supporting abortion if you vote for either of them... There's the facts...
John
All I can say is  t! t!
John, it's an eye sore on the history of Republican SCJ appointees that conservative Kennedy, nominated by Reagan, did not vote to overturn RVW when he had the chance and you know it. Couple this with the fact that Republicans have made the majority of SCJ nominations in the last 3 decades without a reversal of RVW and my case is closed.
Quit making excuses for the Republicans - you're beginning to sound like a closet McCain supporter.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: John McCain: Pro-Life or Pro-Abortion? You decide.... - 8/3/2008 1:05:08 AM
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You're a brave man, thomas2008 - be prepared.
I agree McCain is wishy-washy on this subject. Which is why, on a presidential level, IMHO, the issue of abortion is a moot issue. McCain has not promised he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees. But, you'll get every excuse in the book why he is the best candidate on this issue, when he cannot promise to tow this issue...
Many people want to agree he's wishy- washy so they can justify voting for the guy who without a doubt supports the <cough> right for some to commit murder in the womb...
John
If he can't promise to use a litmus test on SCJ nominees, how can he tow this issue at the executive level?
And it's not rationalizing, John. It's a fact that Republican presidents have put in the majority of SCJ in the last almost three decades and still RVW has not been overturned. Examples: Bush I put in Souter - highly lauded by conservatives at the time - and he votes with the liberal wing. Reagan put in SCJ Kennedy - also highly lauded by conservatives back in the day - and Kennedy had THE deciding vote in '92 to overturn RVW (Casey v PP) and he did NOT vote to overturn RVW. In other words, why do SCJ appointees matter? RVW has not been overturn in 3 decades of mostly Republican appointees to the court.
And btw, I don't care how many times your going to say, "it's rationalizing", etc, etc, etc. I won't respond because it's not - I present facts above, John, no matter what you say.
You can deny it till the cows come home but in the end it just rationalizing, and of course if you believe both candidates support abortion you still have a problem supporting abortion if you vote for either of them... There's the facts...
John
All I can say is t! t!
John, it's an eye sore on the history of Republican SCJ appointees that conservative Kennedy, nominated by Reagan, did not vote to overturn RVW when he had the chance and you know it. Couple this with the fact that Republicans have made the majority of SCJ nominations in the last 3 decades without a reversal of RVW and my case is closed.
Quit making excuses for the Republicans - you're beginning to sound like a closet McCain supporter.
I haven't voted for a Republican since 1984 and this is about the murder of unborn children... Something you have no problem with supporting regardless of who you may or may not vote for...
John
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You're a brave man, thomas2008 - be prepared.
I agree McCain is wishy-washy on this subject. Which is why, on a presidential level, IMHO, the issue of abortion is a moot issue. McCain has not promised he'd use an anti-abortion litmus test on SCJ nominees. But, you'll get every excuse in the book why he is the best candidate on this issue, when he cannot promise to tow this issue...
Many people want to agree he's wishy- washy so they can justify voting for the guy who without a doubt supports the <cough> right for some to commit murder in the womb...
John
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