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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/4/2008 4:47:11 PM
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rcjames
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rcjames,
Are you factoring in the number of times the "drive-by media" mention him, or make accusations about what they believe he has said?
No; just dividing in the number os listerners in a week (20 million) by the monies paid to Ruch in a week.
The fascination and fanatisism the "Drive by New media" shows just drives more listener to the show.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/4/2008 5:12:37 PM
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I try (as best as possible), not to make millionaires richer by buying their goods and/or services.
Wow, what a classic case of wealth envy....
Yeah- it would be interesting to see how he or she runs their every moment to moment daily life, considering everyhting we have is ruled by those who have, and not those who haven't!
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/4/2008 6:47:24 PM
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I would call it prostitution.
Calling people hateful names because you disagree with them?
You've learned his lessons well.
Apparently, so have you.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/4/2008 11:39:04 PM
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I'll betcha he brings in much more than he takes.
Its called...business.
If you think some people make too much money, then become a communist.
No one promises you a life...or a fair one. If you want Rush's paycheck, go out and earn it. After you have earned that kind of money you can give away as much as you want to. Live in a trailor, drive a yugo and attend communist meetings.
I would call it prostitution.
Calling people hateful names because you disagree with them?
You've learned his lessons well.
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I would call it prostitution.
Calling people hateful names because you disagree with them?
You've learned his lessons well.
Apparently, so have you.
Taken my posts out of context to support your point?
Intellectually dishonest.
Another Rush trait.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/5/2008 8:02:33 AM
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Calling people hateful names because you disagree with them?
I think someone who hates someone because they earn monsy perfectly describes a communist.
What other reason but covetness can someone hate someone else because of the money they..earn and generate? The basis of communism is hatred of the rich. Jealousy. Covetness.
If you want economic fairness, then move to China. They....are....equal....there....equally....poor.
Its truly amazing to me the hatred people have for people who succeed. Did Rush steal this money? Does he promote perversion? Nope. He generates income for his employers and advertisers and is paid well for doing a good job.
Gee, hang 'em high! What a horrible man!
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/5/2008 11:06:48 AM
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I'll betcha he brings in much more than he takes.
Its called...business.
If you think some people make too much money, then become a communist.
No one promises you a life...or a fair one. If you want Rush's paycheck, go out and earn it. After you have earned that kind of money you can give away as much as you want to. Live in a trailor, drive a yugo and attend communist meetings.
I would call it prostitution.
Calling people hateful names because you disagree with them?
You've learned his lessons well.
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I would call it prostitution.
Calling people hateful names because you disagree with them?
You've learned his lessons well.
Apparently, so have you.
Taken my posts out of context to support your point?
Intellectually dishonest.
Another Rush trait.
I'm still not seeing how anything was taken out of context here.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/5/2008 12:13:07 PM
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He makes Clear Channel a lot of money and evidently those advertisers are making a lot of money off of his show or there wouldn't be that big of a contract. Besides, I believe I read where Howard Stern made $500 mil for his contract with sirius.
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It astounds me in this day & age, with all the stress that can be in a person's life, how they will deliberately add to it by listening to "commentary" that is designed to provoke anger.
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For the record, I can't stomach Limbaugh. I think he is a bombastic gas-bag, and I am at 180 degrees opposite of his political views.
But he's found a schtick that works, and I've got to hand him props for making it work.
It's a sad commentary on how low our society has come when the likes of Rush, O'Reilly, Stern, Imus, Hannity, and J. Springer can command millions for their tabloid reporting.
That being said, I too, agree it's not much different than the sports players or hollywood personalies who make millions doing what they do. Ain't capitalism grand? 
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/5/2008 2:53:46 PM
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It's more than likely from the advertisers to be honest. I don't listen too often but when I do there are a lot of commercials.
Assuming he has kept the same format he has to do X number of commercials per hour. Often especially in the first hour the initial segment can go on for a long time. They have to make up for this by increasing the frequency of commercials for the second half of the hour. I remember hearing sometimes 25 straight minutes of talk and thinking that it was 25 straight minutes of commercials, lol.
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I think someone who hates someone because they earn monsy perfectly describes a communist.
What other reason but covetness can someone hate someone else because of the money they..earn and generate? The basis of communism is hatred of the rich. Jealousy. Covetness.
Covetousness is what I think also as opposed to communism. If you look at communism today there are an awful lot of rich Chinese leaders. ; ) Funny thing about Rush is he is making that without laying anyone off, cutting anyone's pension, terminating anyone's job, etc. If one wants to complain about some bank exec I could perhaps agree but not an entertainer.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/5/2008 2:55:38 PM
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But what about all the cuts that CC is making though?
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/5/2008 7:28:50 PM
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I'm still not seeing how anything was taken out of context here.
Quoting a reply without it's context (what it is in reply to).
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/6/2008 9:03:05 AM
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I'm still not seeing how anything was taken out of context here.
Quoting a reply without it's context (what it is in reply to).
Oh no, I am fully aware of what it means to take something out of context. What I meant was that even if you include the previous posts in their entirety, the reply to you still made sense, and I would not consider it to be taken out of context.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/6/2008 8:04:05 PM
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For the record, I can't stomach Limbaugh. I think he is a bombastic gas-bag, and I am at 180 degrees opposite of his political views. But he's found a schtick that works, and I've got to hand him props for making it work.
I agree.
I can't fault someone for being a success, even if Limbaugh does so by hiding behind a dump button like a coward, and being the political version of a shock jock.
What disturbs me most about Limbaugh, however, is how so many of his listeners take everything he says as political gospel without question.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/6/2008 8:43:29 PM
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I think someone who hates someone because they earn monsy perfectly describes a communist.
I disagree. While there is a connection, as I'm sure most communists (big "C" or little "c") dislike or very much distrust rich people if not outright hate them, the hatred of rich people by itself does not make one a communist. You would have to go a step further (at least) and think "gee, wouldn't it be grand if we took away all their money and gave it to the poorer folk" (I'm oversimplfying here). Likewise I'm sure there are a few cases where someone holds a communist philosophy with no resentment or distrust of rich people.
Its this use of "buzz" words that lowers the level of public discourse. Words like communist, fascist, prostitute, nazi (note the lowercase "n", the only use that word should ever have is as a proper noun), elitist, redneck, fanatic, neocon, liberal etc. that are used to insult and stereotype others because we disagree with their position only create resentment and bring us further away from the solutions to the problems this nation faces.
On to Rush: its like Jon Stewart said about Move On (yes, Jon Stewart, BTW: this is a paraphrase), even when you agree with them they still make you uncomfortable. Rush is probably worth every penny he is getting (I'm sure monkeys aren't running Clear Channel) and I don't resent him a bit for that. But I do resent the damage he has done to the public discourse.
Question: how many people think Rush would be happy if this country was governed exactly the way he wanted it to be? In other words he would have nothing left to complain about. Thus he would have to find a new focus for his radio show or be out of a job. Personally I'm not sure but I'm not a fan nor do I picket outside his studio (IOW: I have no interest either way) but its something for people with extreme feelings toward Rush either way to think about. Of course it's hypothetical, this country will never be governed as a fully liberal or fully conservative nation unless we lose our democracy somehow.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/6/2008 11:16:04 PM
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the hatred of rich people by itself does not make one a communist.
It sure created communism.
If its not covetness, then it must be a rejection of the system that creates wealth. That...is communist.
So to me, you either are a communist...or you covet. I don't see any other viable position to be against someone earning a wage.
Rush has a legitimate political point of view and he does it in an entertaining way. He is no shock jock.
By the way I haven't listened to Rush in...oh, about 8 years. I work nights and he is on during the day. I like snapple too.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 12:16:39 AM
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So to me, you either are a communist...or you covet. I don't see any other viable position to be against someone earning a wage.
Maybe they don't like Rush receiving a huge salary. Maybe they feel he is immoral. I'm not saying he is (or isn't) and I have no problem with his salary (the free market dictates) but others may feel he doesn't deserve the salary because of some of the things he has said. You and I may disagree with that position but that doesn't make the person a communist.
This is meant as a possible reason why a person may be against a particular someone receiving a wage. Now if a person is against everyone earning a high wage (obtained without illegal activity*) than your position has more merit.
* any illegal activity Rush has / may have been involved has nothing to do with his salary.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 1:08:56 AM
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I love this thread... Total comedy! Someone on the net calling another person a coward! I am rolling!
John
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 3:01:51 AM
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As far as how he spends his money, it does keep the economy moving. He spends money, those people then spend money and on and on it goes. That is what makes the world go round for the most part.
Prostitution, illegal drugs, pornography, laundered funds, abortion income....
Making and spending money is not in itself "healthy and good for the economy". There is no such thing as a "free market", nor is there likely many a Christian who, truly analysing what a true "Free Market" represents, would want a totally open free market and all that would really entail. It is a nice "buzz concept" and good to banter around for politicians
We don't like to admit it, but we all participate and empower government to control markets, and that is a good thing. Wise societies wisely control it.
So, back to what was said a few posts back, it is entirely consistant with Moral and economic principles to pay attention to where money goes and how society accepts and encourages or discourages its uses.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 5:50:41 AM
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Maybe they don't like Rush receiving a huge salary. Maybe they feel he is immoral. I'm not saying he is (or isn't) and I have no problem with his salary (the free market dictates) but others may feel he doesn't deserve the salary because of some of the things he has said. You and I may disagree with that position but that doesn't make the person a communist.
If Rush's morality is the problem then there might be a point there but its not. What has been represented here is that he makes some kind of unfair wage. The only way you can say his wages are unfair is if you are jealous of the money he makes...covetness...or that you don't believe anyone should make big money...communist.
My position stands.
If you disagree with his message, fine, but that does not give reason why someone would disagree with his wage.
If his morality should keep him from making money, than I doubt anyone should make money.
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it is entirely consistant with Moral and economic principles to pay attention to where money goes and how society accepts and encourages or discourages its uses.
There is truth in this. However I think the best government control is the least one possible.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 7:37:47 AM
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What has been represented here is that he makes some kind of unfair wage. The only way you can say his wages are unfair is if you are jealous of the money he makes...covetness...or that you don't believe anyone should make big money...communist.
So you have never thought that a person has been overpaid? Some government official that contributes to the bloat of government perhaps?
One person did say they will try not to support anyone who makes multi millions of dollars (uh, good luck with that) but that person was not the one labeled a communist. It was the person who stated they didn't like Rush and made one comment about him and Stern being overpaid (they ignored the prestige Stern brought to Sirius and how their business model benefits even more than AM radio by having high profile personalities) that was labeled.
I just don't see how labeling someone based on one comment and their negative feelings about one highly controversial figure does anyone any good. It lowers the public discourse, increases resentment and decreases productive conversation.
BTW: there has been a big benefit of the doubt granted to Clear Channel here. I mean we know that Rush is popular and earns a great deal of money for his employer but no one has presented evidence that he earns enough money to justify his huge contract. I give successful businessmen the benefit of the doubt and figure they know what they are doing but its painfully obvious they are not always right. I maintain that if Clear Channel values Rush's services to the tune of 400 million then he is worth it but let's be clear that I and others are conceding that without any hard evidence to back it up.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 8:35:38 AM
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BTW: there has been a big benefit of the doubt granted to Clear Channel here. I mean we know that Rush is popular and earns a great deal of money for his employer but no one has presented evidence that he earns enough money to justify his huge contract. I give successful businessmen the benefit of the doubt and figure they know what they are doing but its painfully obvious they are not always right. I maintain that if Clear Channel values Rush's services to the tune of 400 million then he is worth it but let's be clear that I and others are conceding that without any hard evidence to back it up.
I don't understand though why there should be proof of what money he earns his employer in order to validate his wages. Why would you need "hard evidence"? Isn't the fact that they gave him such a contract evidence in itself of his worth to them? I don't really see how any further proof needs to be given. He did not steal the money, it was offered to him.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 9:46:56 AM
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I don't understand though why there should be proof of what money he earns his employer in order to validate his wages. Why would you need "hard evidence"? Isn't the fact that they gave him such a contract evidence in itself of his worth to them? I don't really see how any further proof needs to be given. He did not steal the money, it was offered to him.
Rush certainly did not do anything wrong by accepting the offer. It would be unbelievably foolish if he refused it. I wasn't addressing whether he was overpaid in a moral sense or Clear Channel's right to pay him whatever they wish but rather the assumption that he must be worth that salary in a business sense because Clear Channel chooses to pay it to him.
I think some have made the assumption that if Clear Channel pays him that much then he is obviously worth it as a sound business decision. Businesses do make mistakes though. They may think its smart to pay him that sort of money and it may not be. I think it is, especially considering that it would raise the prestige factor of whatever one of Clear Channel's competitors signed Rush.
I wonder if there was a bidding war for his services or if Clear Channel elected to avoid one by making a huge offer? As long as they're successful I give them the benefit of any doubt. I'm just aware that I am doing so.
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RE: Rush Signs New Deal... - 7/7/2008 9:55:52 AM
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Funny thing about Rush is he is making that without laying anyone off, cutting anyone's pension, terminating anyone's job, etc
How can you be sure of that? We only hear about massive layoffs in the news. I'm sure he has terminated someone's job but they might have deserved it.
He may be a wonderful employer and I would welcome evidence that confirms this but this statement appears, on face value, as another assumption.
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