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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/10/2008 8:37:02 PM
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Jet_A_Jockey
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So for someone to say that going to bars is wrong, or being around people drinking is wrong, in all situations, is naive at best. To you it may be, but that doesn't mean it is wrong for your brother to do so in his freedom.
So Christians can hang with fornicators, liars, idolaters, those who worship whatever, porn stars, etc...
John
If you want to look at everything black and white you are going to miss the rest of the color spectrum. Those same fornicators, liars, idolaters, etc are the very people we are to reach out to, not to mention we have all been at one time. Let the Spirit within you shine like a beacon, to who? your brethren? or the world? You can have exclusivity and elitism if you want, but its not my path. God bless.
How "lukewarm" can one be?
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so what is lukewarm about being a witness? Is it not up to your standards therefore irrelevant? By your standards I should tell the christians downtown at the homeless shelter to stop hanging around those vagrant sinners as well, right?
Can you not admit that you do not know everything that happens, or what everyone's intentions are when they are doing things? I just don't see the point in turning our noses up at people who are out there in the world actually making a real effort in their own way, meanwhile we sit here in the comfort of our own homes, hiding behind a computer screen and talk about how 'fake' they are.
How do you know what God has called someone to do?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/10/2008 10:40:25 PM
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And to be honest, in comparison, I've met many more people who were doing the work of Christ inside of a bar setting than I ever have on the internet.
This has got to take the cake for the best quote in this thread. 
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 12:28:11 AM
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I was in a bar with some of my "old friends" while I was on vacation going back to my hometown. The bar tender was talking about her motorcycle club and how close they were.
I asked her..would they die for her? She hesitated and said, yes, they care for me.
I then asked her...would they die for people who hate them?
She said no, of course not. I told her, Jesus did.
Of course, she didn't fall on her knees and profess Jesus as Lord right then and there and I have never seen this lady again, but I think...I planted a seed.
It just seems when I am with my unsaved former aquaintences, the subject always comes up and I...can...at times go to talk to them where they are at. The golf course. The bar.
You do, what you have to do. If my pastor or christian brother sees me in a bar...if they judge me, that...is on them. Now if they see me stuffing fives down a strippers miniscule clothing or in some drunken debauchery then...yeah they would have a point to make.
By the way I have also been rebuked in these situations as well. It is the enemy's camp.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 7:22:01 AM
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Well being a part of a few different billiards associations I can tell you that there is alot more to going to a bar than drinking and other unbecoming things. And not every bar is alike, some bars are sports bars, and people go there to watch/participate in sports events. Does everyone drink? Most, but not all. Whats next? Avoiding any restaurants that serve alcohol? If you go to a hotel and they have a mini bar with liquor in it you best leave immediately as to not be seen as a hypocrite.
It's too bad that some people don't live up to your standard of what a Christian should be, but luckily none of us are the judge.
And to be honest, in comparison, I've met many more people who were doing the work of Christ inside of a bar setting than I ever have on the internet.
You make a valid point about being in billiard's club. Intent has everything to do with why one would frequent an establishment. People want to continue comparing a bar with ANY establishment that sells/serves alcohol. These are not on the same level and it's comparing apples to oranges.
It's not a standard I have, It's a choice I make. It is not judgmental, it is a judgment call. Let me clarify, I am not speaking of non-believers going to bars. I am talking about Christians participating in the bar scene. Scripture is pretty clear. When I think about telling of Christ to others, the bar is not the first place that pops in my head. You can call it what you want, however I feel that the desire to justify going into a place like that, is an excuse. I worked in a restaurant that had a bar. I only went in the bar when I absolutely had to. outside of work there was no reason for me to be in one. Someone earlier mentioned fellowship in a bar. Fellowship in a bar?? Why does it have to be in a bar? How about somewhere else? Does one fellowship in a topless bar too?
I just don't believe that a bar is a place a Christian needs to be hanging out at, without a specific reason.
I can tell you this. Should I as a Christian need counsel of some sort, it will not be from a person I know who hangs out at bars.
1) I would not trust you.
2) I would not trust that I would receive sound biblical counsel.
3) IMO your witness is tainted.
I am speaking for myself only, this is in no way a blanket statement for all Christians.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 9:33:12 AM
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Someone earlier mentioned fellowship in a bar. Fellowship in a bar?? Why does it have to be in a bar? How about somewhere else? Does one fellowship in a topless bar too?
I just don't believe that a bar is a place a Christian needs to be hanging out at, without a specific reason.
Why shouldn't it be in a bar. There are a couple of nice places near me that serve a nice variety of beers, they are clean comfortable places where one can enjoy a beer and have nice conversations. What is wrong with that?
Of course, not every bar would necessarily be appopriate, so I think it would be hard to fellowship in a topless bar. On the other hand, that could be a cultural thing.
Now of course, if you don't want to hang out in a bar, good for you. That is your choice.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 10:15:01 AM
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I don't think the OP was talking about frequenting dives.
He was speaking about designated driveing for those who are drunk. and much of the thread has been about bars.
Thsnks
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 10:18:32 AM
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Why shouldn't it be in a bar. There are a couple of nice places near me that serve a nice variety of beers, they are clean comfortable places where one can enjoy a beer and have nice conversations. What is wrong with that?
Please to name a bar in which no one has every gotten drunk, rowedy, had folks cruising for sex, or had a fight.
If folks want to enfoy a beer and have a nice conversation; what is wrong with the house or the backyard?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 10:43:27 AM
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Why shouldn't it be in a bar. There are a couple of nice places near me that serve a nice variety of beers, they are clean comfortable places where one can enjoy a beer and have nice conversations. What is wrong with that?
Please to name a bar in which no one has every gotten drunk, rowedy, had folks cruising for sex, or had a fight.
If folks want to enfoy a beer and have a nice conversation; what is wrong with the house or the backyard?
Thanks
RC
At the bars I go to, nobody appears to get drunk. The prices are a bit steeper though, then your typical rowdy drunk bar, so that could chase some drunks away. If people are cruising for sex, I don't see it, but of course it could happen. No fights that I have heard of though. I live in a small town, so if there was one, it would make news.
The backyard or the house is also a great place to have a beer. My point is that not all bars are bad places.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 1:13:56 PM
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The backyard or the house is also a great place to have a beer. My point is that not all bars are bad places.
All bars are conducive to bad behavior (by virtue of selling alcoholic beverage), and if your little family bar on the corner is not bad; the possibility is there with ever pull of the draft lever, or pour of the shot.
If it is that expensive, why would you want to waste your money? What does a name brand beer cost?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 1:39:26 PM
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Those advocates for the bar scene:
Present to your Sunday school class or the whole congregation, an outing to meet and fellowship at the local bar.
Please do this, then come back and tell us what the turn out was and how the church responded to it.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:02:25 PM
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Well, my take is, this isn't about christian fellowship as much as it is witnessing to the unsaved where they are at. Going with your unsaved aquaintences to the places they frequent, within reason, to, in essence, represent Christ in an enviroment He is seldom seen.
Now, of course that could be perverted and exposing oneself to what is usually an enviroment of sin, is not for everyone and one must carefully guage the true rasons why a christian would want to go to a bar.
I can tell you, for some unsaved people, to interact with them in a social enviroment always includes alcohol. That doesn't mean you get sloppy drunk with them. It doesn't even mean you drink with them. It means you meet then where they are at.
The designated driver thing has two sides to it. Enablement is bad, but if you go there just to be the dd, its kinda...stupid really. All your saving them is cab fare. Now, if you are out and they get too drunk and have no money or have no cab service, giving them a ride home is a good thing.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:04:39 PM
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The backyard or the house is also a great place to have a beer. My point is that not all bars are bad places.
All bars are conducive to bad behavior (by virtue of selling alcoholic beverage), and if your little family bar on the corner is not bad; the possibility is there with ever pull of the draft lever, or pour of the shot.
If it is that expensive, why would you want to waste your money? What does a name brand beer cost?
Thsnks
RC
If the possibility of a bar being bad with the pull of a draft lever makes a bar an undesirable place to drink, then wouldn't a backyard possibly be a bad place to drink with the popping of a can?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:09:37 PM
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Those advocates for the bar scene:
Present to your Sunday school class or the whole congregation, an outing to meet and fellowship at the local bar.
Please do this, then come back and tell us what the turn out was and how the church responded to it.
Why not my pastor? I already know that Jesus will go with me so I'm fairly sure my pastor will come so we can be salt and light to the lost.
BTW: Did you know that salt is no good if it's buried in a hole and that light is no good to anyone when it's hidden under a basket?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:09:44 PM
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I might have missed this part, but since when is drinking itself wrong? I understand drunkenness isn't cool, but if I have a glass of wine with my father for his birthday dinner, are we going to spontaneously combust or something?
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:17:56 PM
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but if I have a glass of wine with my father for his birthday dinner, are we going to spontaneously combust or something?
Yes.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:33:27 PM
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Present to your Sunday school class or the whole congregation, an outing to meet and fellowship at the local bar.
Please do this, then come back and tell us what the turn out was and how the church responded to it.
A few years back, I was at a Christian Counseling conference with a number of members from my church. We all went out to dinner one night. One of my fellow church members ordered a beer (though they were considerate enough to ask everyone around if they were OK with that or not). Incidentally, this individual was the head pastor. This didn't happen at a bar, but it was certainly an establishment that wasn't shy about serving alcohol.
Also, the Greek Prof. at the school I used to attend, who is also a head pastor of another church, frequently hangs out at a certain bar. He has established deep and meaningful relationships with non-believers there, and it has given him powerful opportunities to witness to them. I should point out that he never goes there alone - he always takes his wife with him, or other strong Christian friends.
So, of the few pastors I know, I don't think they'd have too much of a problem with it, as long as the intention was right.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:46:25 PM
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but if I have a glass of wine with my father for his birthday dinner, are we going to spontaneously combust or something?
Yes.
When? I did that already! When will it happen? Just so I can get my will notarized and stuff...
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:47:28 PM
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Maybe my belief system is denominational??????
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:53:23 PM
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Maybe my belief system is denominational??????
You may be on to something there.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 2:58:07 PM
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Maybe my belief system is denominational??????
Either denominational or personal, yes. That would be my honest assessment.
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RE: Being a Christian and being around people who drink. - 7/11/2008 6:38:56 PM
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Why shouldn't it be in a bar. There are a couple of nice places near me that serve a nice variety of beers, they are clean comfortable places where one can enjoy a beer and have nice conversations. What is wrong with that?
Please to name a bar in which no one has every gotten drunk, rowedy, had folks cruising for sex, or had a fight.
If folks want to enfoy a beer and have a nice conversation; what is wrong with the house or the backyard?
Thanks
RC
People have gotten drunk, gotten rowdy, cruised for sex, and fought in backyards and in houses before. Regardless, simply because the minority of people use a place for something bad doesn't mean that good people can't use it for something good. If that weren't the case, we'd be prohibited from going into sports stores, gun shops, grocery stores, post offices, etc.
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