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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 8:03:14 PM
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How is their longest range missle (1,200 miles) a threat to the continental U.S.?  Distance between Tehran, IR & Miami, US - Miles: 7718.07
We have to care because Israel is within that distance.
Because we wouldn't want Israel to use their 100+ nukes; Or their Aircraft: 1230, Armored Vehicles: 14200, Artillery: 2783, Missile Defense Weapons: 3153, Infantry Support Weapons: 7520, Naval Units: 18 or Available Military Manpower: 2,936,041.
We'll just attack anyone (like Iraq) they want us to! Even if they don't attack, but just act nasty!
Next time you see an American serviceman, you might want to explain to him he's fighting for Israel (and see what he says).
And more power to 'em. I've read enough of God's word to know better than to even speak critically of Israel.
The day the U.S. turns its back on Israel (and, according to the Bible, that day will come) is the day I hope to not be alive to see.
The point being, they are not children who need to be protected against every real or imagined threat.
Especially pre-emptively.
Where in the Bible did Christ command his followers to threaten all those who threaten Jews?
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 8:06:27 PM
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The point being, they are not children who need to be protected against every real or imagined threat.
Especially pre-emptively.
Where in the Bible did Christ command his followers to threaten all those who threaten Jews?
I am beginning to like you.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 8:12:45 PM
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And more power to 'em. I've read enough of God's word to know better than to even speak critically of Israel.
The day the U.S. turns its back on Israel (and, according to the Bible, that day will come) is the day I hope to not be alive to see.
Oh, and I have two kids in the Air Force and they know they'd better not be on the side opposing Israel.
To put the modern-day State of Israel on a pedestal which grants it immunity from any kind of criticism is dangerous, unhealthy, and dishonest. No nation-state on Earth has a government whose actions and decisions are always pleasing to God. The Bible says that the whole world lies under the sway of Satan. Secular governments are part of this world system. They are necessary and serve a purpose, but just because of these governments happens to be the one administering the State of Israel, it does not mean that it should not be the recipient of criticism.
The State of Israel is not the Israel of the Old Testament. The Lord God did anoint Israel's kings then, but this does not meant that each and every action/policy taken by the leaders of the State of Israel are going to be automatically pleasing to God or in line with His will just because... it's Israeli Jews in charge as there were Israelite Jews in charge then.
Thank you to your sons for their service to our country, but if they were to ever put their lives in the line of fire, I would hope that it would be in legitimate defense of our America, and not for a country like Israel, which has one of the world's strongest militaries and at least 100 nuclear weapons.
And as for you saying that comment about the USA turning its back on Israel - it is the goal of pro-Israel elements which comprise the "Israel Lobby" here in our country that want everybody in America thinking that American and Israeli interests are one and the same, that to turn away from the State of Israel is apostasy or heresy or an abomination, that to defend Israel at any cost regardless of how the State of Israel behaves is God's will.
I will end this post on the State of Israel here - there is a thread for discussing Israel.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 9:10:21 PM
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How is their longest range missle (1,200 miles) a threat to the continental U.S.? Distance between Tehran, IR & Miami, US - Miles: 7718.07
We have to care because Israel is within that distance.
Because we wouldn't want Israel to use their 100+ nukes; Or their Aircraft: 1230, Armored Vehicles: 14200, Artillery: 2783, Missile Defense Weapons: 3153, Infantry Support Weapons: 7520, Naval Units: 18 or Available Military Manpower: 2,936,041.
We'll just attack anyone (like Iraq) they want us to! Even if they don't attack, but just act nasty!
Next time you see an American serviceman, you might want to explain to him he's fighting for Israel (and see what he says).
And more power to 'em. I've read enough of God's word to know better than to even speak critically of Israel.
The day the U.S. turns its back on Israel (and, according to the Bible, that day will come) is the day I hope to not be alive to see.
Oh, and I have two kids in the Air Force and they know they'd better not be on the side opposing Israel.
Well, then this ought to cheer you up - Iran Red Lines
Sounds like if the Israelis get their way, then our Air Force will be plenty busy "defending" Israel.
If their cause was truly just, and according to U.S. intelligence reports our need to attack is not immediate, you'd think the Israelis would wait until the next President was in office to make their request. If their cause was truly just.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 9:12:12 PM
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On who's authority, or factual and supportive intelligence do you base such conclusions?
I am not one who believes that just because something never happened in the passed, there is no chance/ possibility it will happen. One needs to look at what the leader of Iran has said and done, and remember that he would highly unlikely be allowed to say and do what he has said and done if he didn't feel/ know he didn't have the support of those who actually held power. Then there is the example that Hitler set-someone who used the system to get to that level of power that he sought then abolished that system.
As someone who is in the military, you should know way too well that any country who strikes the United States will at least get a huge strike back and at worst risk national suicide. The Iranians know they are outmatched if they were to fight the United States in a full-scale conventional war. Every country in the world knows that American military power is not to be underestimated.
As for "the leader of Iran," I wonder whether you are referring to the Supreme Jurisprudence Khamanei or to the president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I've discussed the latter's comments here previously.
RichLP,
You've totalling missed the point of my response to your posting.
My response to your post had nothing to do with US response to Iranian attack. It had everything to do with your assertion that there was no possible way that Iran would not attack first, but would only attack in response to an attack upon them.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 9:21:33 PM
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As for Bill Clinton, USS Cole... all completely irrelevant.
As for what Barack Obama might or might not do as president, also irrelevant. It is speculation.[/font][/size]
So all speculation as to what may or may not happen is irrelevant?
Is just speculation proposed by: Bush, Conservatives, and realists irrelevant, and speculation by: those who find fault with America, President Bush, and those on the extreme left the only sort of speculation that is relevant?
You can't have it both ways.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 9:26:15 PM
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You've totalling missed the point of my response to your posting.
My response to your post had nothing to do with US response to Iranian attack. It had everything to do with your assertion that there was no possible way that Iran would not attack first, but would only attack in response to an attack upon them.
WHY would Iran risk suicide by attacking a superpower with nuclear weapons all the more since the superpower's leader said Iran is part of the "Axis of Evil" and after Iran saw what the superpower did to ex-Axis of Evil member Iraq?
Since you don't agree, then tell me, WHY do you believe Iran would attack first?
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 9:27:18 PM
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As for Bill Clinton, USS Cole... all completely irrelevant.
As for what Barack Obama might or might not do as president, also irrelevant. It is speculation.
So all speculation as to what may or may not happen is irrelevant?
Is just speculation proposed by: Bush, Conservatives, and realists irrelevant, and speculation by: those who find fault with America, President Bush, and those on the extreme left the only sort of speculation that is relevant?
You can't have it both ways.
Wrong.
Stephanos brought up what Obama might do if he were president and Iran attacked, and he also alluded to the military under Clinton. These are points completely irrelevant to the Iran missile test.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 9:41:56 PM
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You've totalling missed the point of my response to your posting.
My response to your post had nothing to do with US response to Iranian attack. It had everything to do with your assertion that there was no possible way that Iran would not attack first, but would only attack in response to an attack upon them.
WHY would Iran risk suicide by attacking a superpower with nuclear weapons all the more since the superpower's leader said Iran is part of the "Axis of Evil" and after Iran saw what the superpower did to ex-Axis of Evil member Iraq?
Since you don't agree, then tell me, WHY do you believe Iran would attack first?
Where have I said that I am as possitive that Iran would attack first as you seem to be that Israel or the US would attack first?
I do not think any realist would say that any one here dares speak for Israel, let alone say that the US takes orders, or has it servicemembers acting under the employ of Israel. Israel will do what they feel they need to do.
I do believe that Iran attacking first would be more possible and much easier to believe than US attacking Iran first (regardless of the price of oil). All one needs to do is really listen to the head of state of the country of Iran (sorry but I am not even going to attempt to spell his name). Then one needs to consider that he would not be allowed to say or do what all he has said and done, as far as the nuclear power/ weapon issue, and Israel is concerned if he didn't have some sort of support.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 9:56:11 PM
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I do not think any realist would say that any one here dares speak for Israel, let alone say that the US takes orders, or has it servicemembers acting under the employ of Israel. Israel will do what they feel they need to do.
I do believe that Iran attacking first would be more possible and much easier to believe than US attacking Iran first (regardless of the price of oil). All one needs to do is really listen to the head of state of the country of Iran (sorry but I am not even going to attempt to spell his name). Then one needs to consider that he would not be allowed to say or do what all he has said and done, as far as the nuclear power/ weapon issue, and Israel is concerned if he didn't have some sort of support.
I disagree completely.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran and the individual whose comments about the Zionist occupation of Palestine were incorrectly translated about how Israel has to be "wiped off the map," has never declared any intentions to literally launch a military strike on Israel.
It goes back to what I said: national suicide. Saddam Hussein would have risked national suicide had he ever used WMDs (which he didn't have) on American targets, and Iran would suffer a terrifying counterstrike by US military forces if he attacks the US.
And Israel will defend itself. One of its leaders is on record saying that if Iran attacks Israel, Israel will turn Iran into "a sea of glass." Not to mention Israel's nuclear arsenal, which could easily turn Tehran into a puddle of radioactive waste.
Rhetoric is rhetoric; not all of it is bite, and often much of it is bark.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/10/2008 11:10:03 PM
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We are forgetting another reason why Iran would attack Israel if attacked. It would be to garner support from the Arab world like Saddam tried to do with the Scuds during Persian Gulf War 1. Israel wasn't even remotely involved in agression during that conflict but lost many lives due to just being the favorite target of the Arab world.
One reflection on Israel. Some people think God puts some supernatural shield on Israel but in truth He doesn't. He has allowed the Ark to be captured; not one, but two temples to be destroyed and his chosen people to be scattered across the earth as well as put in exile. This was in response to their lack of keeping the covenant and their godlessness.
Jerusalem will be spared because of the Al Aqsa Mosque. Tel Aviv, Tyre, Sidon, Ashkelon, etc. may not be so lucky.
BTW, Jerusalem also has been sacked many times and by a long list of different powers. It still cracks me up that Jerusalem means "City of Peace"!
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/11/2008 1:30:43 AM
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I do believe that Iran attacking first would be more possible and much easier to believe than US attacking Iran first (regardless of the price of oil). All one needs to do is really listen to the head of state of the country of Iran (sorry but I am not even going to attempt to spell his name). Then one needs to consider that he would not be allowed to say or do what all he has said and done, as far as the nuclear power/ weapon issue, and Israel is concerned if he didn't have some sort of support.
If the imbalance of power was not so steep, I would be inclined to agree with you, but Iran can't afford to trade blows with either Israel or the U.S. Either country could completely annihilate Iran and would do so in the event of war.
Ahmedinejad is playing up to conservative nationalists in Iran with his confrontation rhetoric. It's the same thing authoritarian leaders do everywhere - they need an external enemy, inevitably, to distract the people from the economic failures at home which almost always result under such governments.
To this end, I suspect that a limited airstrike, say against the nuclear sites in Iran, would actually help Ahmedinajd politically, because he could say to his conservative nationalist supporters, "Look, I was right - they ARE out to attack us!"
However, it would not be in his interest to strike first or especially to fight a real war, because in either case the U.S. and/or Israel would respond with superior force. Ahmedinejad wants power. A real war wouldn't let him achieve that objective.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/11/2008 4:04:49 PM
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How far is it from modern day Iran back to the stoneage?
It Woud probably be best for the world as a whole if we helped the Iranians to make the trip.
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What moral or legal grounds do you employ in saying so lightheartedly that humanity would be best off if Iran was nuked back to the Stone Age? I assume you are aware that accomplishing this goal would necessitate the nuclear killing of over 70 million Iranians, a tiny fraction of which is in charge and the rest of which are civilians with mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, grandchildren, grandparents, hobbies, cars, schools, and emotions just like you?
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/11/2008 4:47:45 PM
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I don't think we should take the possibility of an Iranian first strike too lightly. Right after Ahmadingaling took office, it was reported that he was hoping to bring on Armageddon and something about the return of the 12th prophet or something like that. This guy has about the same stability as Adolph Hitler in his later years. (OK, all you peaceniks, America haters, and the like, let's hear about how unstable Bush is. I know it's coming).
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/11/2008 6:52:17 PM
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I don't think we should take the possibility of an Iranian first strike too lightly. Right after Ahmadingaling took office, it was reported that he was hoping to bring on Armageddon and something about the return of the 12th prophet or something like that. This guy has about the same stability as Adolph Hitler in his later years. (OK, all you peaceniks, America haters, and the like, let's hear about how unstable Bush is. I know it's coming).
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1. Provide evidence Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (misspelling foreign leaders' names in mockery hardly demonstrates intellect, wit, or factual knowledge, Dave) wants to bring Armaggedon.
2. Provide evidence that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has "about the same stability" as Hitler did at the end of his life. Never mind how tiresome and frankly, meaningless, comparisons to the leader of the 3rd Reich are - unless they are made by a) those who want to instill fear; or, b) those who are not aware of the facts; or, c) those who think that mentioning the Nazis is a replacement for examining each case specifically.
3. Mentioning Bush? This is about the Iranian missile test; there is a thread for the critique of George W. Bush.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/11/2008 10:49:33 PM
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I don't think we should take the possibility of an Iranian first strike too lightly. Right after Ahmadingaling took office, it was reported that he was hoping to bring on Armageddon and something about the return of the 12th prophet or something like that. This guy has about the same stability as Adolph Hitler in his later years. (OK, all you peaceniks, America haters, and the like, let's hear about how unstable Bush is. I know it's coming).
-Dave
Right on, Dave! And I like the mangling of whatshisname...I'm jealous I didn't think of it.
And unstable is an understatement. I'm flabbergasted that any US citizen would defend, condone or support anyone or any country that has been so vocal about not only wiping Israel off the map, but the US and our interests, too.
To really think they wouldn't do what they've threatened if given the chance...that's just naïveté , stupidity and living in denial.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/11/2008 11:34:47 PM
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How is their longest range missle (1,200 miles) a threat to the continental U.S.? Distance between Tehran, IR & Miami, US - Miles: 7718.07
We have to care because Israel is within that distance.
Because we wouldn't want Israel to use their 100+ nukes; Or their Aircraft: 1230, Armored Vehicles: 14200, Artillery: 2783, Missile Defense Weapons: 3153, Infantry Support Weapons: 7520, Naval Units: 18 or Available Military Manpower: 2,936,041.
We'll just attack anyone (like Iraq) they want us to! Even if they don't attack, but just act nasty!
Next time you see an American serviceman, you might want to explain to him he's fighting for Israel (and see what he says).
And more power to 'em. I've read enough of God's word to know better than to even speak critically of Israel.
The day the U.S. turns its back on Israel (and, according to the Bible, that day will come) is the day I hope to not be alive to see.
The point being, they are not children who need to be protected against every real or imagined threat.
Especially pre-emptively.
Where in the Bible did Christ command his followers to threaten all those who threaten Jews?
Israel has already shown they will deal with things pre-emptively if they feel the need to given their very nicely done raid on Iraq's nuke plant in the early 80's....
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 12:16:24 AM
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Don't forget what they did recently in Syria and the nucklear threat that that country was starting to pose.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 9:05:25 AM
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Israel has already shown they will deal with things pre-emptively if they feel the need to given their very nicely done raid on Iraq's nuke plant in the early 80's....
John
I would agree that the Israelis are very good at pre-emption.
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"My sense is the Pentagon would be worried or opposed to an Israeli attack," says David Wurmser, former Middle East adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney, who left the White House job late last summer. "They are afraid it would inflame the situation in Iraq, which could undermine the US position there.
"Ultimately, my gut tells me that most of the administration on most levels would push back very hard," on Israeli pressure on Washington to authorize it to strike Iran, Wurmser added. "What those in the administration who don't want Israel to act probably won't want is for it to be taken to the highest level. They would always be afraid that [the president] might not be so tough on the Israelis. If the Israeli [government] really intends to do something, they would go to the highest level without a lot of people knowing."
"Israelis may think politically they don't want to get in a situation to do something that causes a reaction against US forces in Iraq, which causes the Republicans to lose the election."
But acting after the elections would deeply complicate Israeli relations with the incoming administration.
"The Israelis may have new information," and that may explain the up-tempo in the high-level US Israeli discussions on Iran. "But a second thing that might explain it is, this is not real. This is pressure to get Bush to act before he leaves."
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 9:44:59 AM
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1. Provide evidence Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (misspelling foreign leaders' names in mockery hardly demonstrates intellect, wit, or factual knowledge, Dave) wants to bring Armaggedon.
2. Provide evidence that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has "about the same stability" as Hitler did at the end of his life. Never mind how tiresome and frankly, meaningless, comparisons to the leader of the 3rd Reich are - unless they are made by a) those who want to instill fear; or, b) those who are not aware of the facts; or, c) those who think that mentioning the Nazis is a replacement for examining each case specifically.
His wanting to bring Armaggedon has to do with his belief in the reappearance of the 12th imam, and his wanting to bring about the reappearance of the 12th imam. You would need to study the Shi'a religion but the general rule is that the 12th imam is only going to reappear after much bloodshed and war, a sacrifice of sorts to entice him to come out of hiding. The world would need to be in great strife.
As far as him being unstable, that seems to me to be the case. It is not a matter of wanting to instill fear or being unaware of the facts, his own words are what lead me to believe this.
Some links that demonstrate his views:
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4164
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-051129-rferl01.htm
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 11:22:57 AM
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Thanx, Peter, I can't take credit for the mangling however. That came from a local talk radio host Bill Lumay. I loved it!
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I don't think we should take the possibility of an Iranian first strike too lightly. Right after Ahmadingaling took office, it was reported that he was hoping to bring on Armageddon and something about the return of the 12th prophet or something like that. This guy has about the same stability as Adolph Hitler in his later years. (OK, all you peaceniks, America haters, and the like, let's hear about how unstable Bush is. I know it's coming).
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Right on, Dave! And I like the mangling of whatshisname...I'm jealous I didn't think of it.
And unstable is an understatement. I'm flabbergasted that any US citizen would defend, condone or support anyone or any country that has been so vocal about not only wiping Israel off the map, but the US and our interests, too.
To really think they wouldn't do what they've threatened if given the chance...that's just naïveté , stupidity and living in denial.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 11:27:39 AM
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You don't like my mangling of his name? I guess you'll just have to deal with it. I ain't changing it for you.
I can't provide the "evidence" you want. It was several years ago.
No "evidence" as to his mental stability, but it should be pretty clear by noting his rhetoric and actions.
Maybe you wouldn't, but there are plenty of others on this board who can't wait to jump in with a Bush comment.
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I don't think we should take the possibility of an Iranian first strike too lightly. Right after Ahmadingaling took office, it was reported that he was hoping to bring on Armageddon and something about the return of the 12th prophet or something like that. This guy has about the same stability as Adolph Hitler in his later years. (OK, all you peaceniks, America haters, and the like, let's hear about how unstable Bush is. I know it's coming).
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1. Provide evidence Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (misspelling foreign leaders' names in mockery hardly demonstrates intellect, wit, or factual knowledge, Dave) wants to bring Armaggedon.
2. Provide evidence that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has "about the same stability" as Hitler did at the end of his life. Never mind how tiresome and frankly, meaningless, comparisons to the leader of the 3rd Reich are - unless they are made by a) those who want to instill fear; or, b) those who are not aware of the facts; or, c) those who think that mentioning the Nazis is a replacement for examining each case specifically.
3. Mentioning Bush? This is about the Iranian missile test; there is a thread for the critique of George W. Bush.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 11:31:52 AM
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davemiller7
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Thank you Sophie, I couldn't remember where or when I heard that. You're right on, as usual.
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1. Provide evidence Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (misspelling foreign leaders' names in mockery hardly demonstrates intellect, wit, or factual knowledge, Dave) wants to bring Armaggedon.
2. Provide evidence that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has "about the same stability" as Hitler did at the end of his life. Never mind how tiresome and frankly, meaningless, comparisons to the leader of the 3rd Reich are - unless they are made by a) those who want to instill fear; or, b) those who are not aware of the facts; or, c) those who think that mentioning the Nazis is a replacement for examining each case specifically.
His wanting to bring Armaggedon has to do with his belief in the reappearance of the 12th imam, and his wanting to bring about the reappearance of the 12th imam. You would need to study the Shi'a religion but the general rule is that the 12th imam is only going to reappear after much bloodshed and war, a sacrifice of sorts to entice him to come out of hiding. The world would need to be in great strife.
As far as him being unstable, that seems to me to be the case. It is not a matter of wanting to instill fear or being unaware of the facts, his own words are what lead me to believe this.
Some links that demonstrate his views:
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4164
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-051129-rferl01.htm
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 2:28:41 PM
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galadriel2
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I think it is an empty bluster right now that is moving towards a real threat as Iran develops its nuclear capabilities. We do, after all, have troops on both sides of Iran - in Iraq and in Afghanistan. I am sure that they feel quite threatened by us and so are threatening back - an empty bluster right now soon to become a genuine nuclear threat - or at least - a nuclear reality.
God bless all abundantly forever,
Galadriel2
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