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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 2:41:37 PM
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fiat_lux
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You don't like my mangling of his name? I guess you'll just have to deal with it. I ain't changing it for you.
I can't provide the "evidence" you want. It was several years ago.
No "evidence" as to his mental stability, but it should be pretty clear by noting his rhetoric and actions.
Maybe you wouldn't, but there are plenty of others on this board who can't wait to jump in with a Bush comment.
So your basic argument is that you have the right to mock him at will based on hunches? This seems rather weak. Here's the name: Ahmadinejad. Feel free to copy and paste it. If you really think he is an enemy, the least we can do is refer to him by his name.
Ahmedinejad is a national leader. Not a very good one, in my opinion, but nevertheless, he's not suicidal. He's in this for the power and the prestige. An Iranian first strike would be the end of his regime. This would not do much for power or prestige. A couple of years ago, I think he really did like to have religious rumours circulating about him (the GlobalSecurity link notes these were unconfirmed rumours but seemed believable) because it let him pander to certain parts of the Iranian public. To that end he benefits from a clash with the West.
Now that a real first strike on his nuclear sites seems possible, he's started to back away a bit, which fits with my suspicions. If there ever was such a strike, I would predict that the fiery rhetoric would instantly return, and he would claim that Iran was a victim, and that they wanted peace when we wanted war, and blah blah blah, and all the usual rhetoric countries give in that situation. His recent rhetoric, covered in another thread here, seems to indicate that he thinks he's gotten most of what he safely can out of fiery rhetoric and is now moving to the safer position that Iran will not start a war and has no need to attack Israel.
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To really think they wouldn't do what they've threatened if given the chance...that's just naïveté , stupidity and living in denial.
Personally, I prefer not to rush into confrontation and war, especially not before very carefully considering the evidence.
There would probably be great cause for alarm if Iran was on the way to becoming an unopposed nuclear power, but this is not the case. Even if the basically worst-case scenario happened and they were able to equip three or four of their medium-range missiles with nukes in a few years' time, this power would still be more than checked by Israel alone, and definitely more than checked by the combined Israeli and American forces arrayed against them. Militarily, Iran is small and outnumbered. They're bracketed by U.S. allies to the west and east and are in a quite vulnerable position. On the one hand, current U.S. commitments would make it difficult to launch a new invasion of Iran. On the other hand, the Iranian military is hardly in a position to launch a major attack, either.
My suspicion is that there is still a possibility that the right sort of pressure against Ahmadinejad might mean that next year's election in Iran replaces him with a slightly more moderate president.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 2:44:27 PM
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Someone asked the question, 'Where in the Bible did Christ command his followers to threaten all those who threaten Jews?' They get it from an OT theophany where Christ appears to Father Abraham and tells him that everyone who blesses him will be blessed by God and everyone who curses him (his offspring are in Abraham's loins, so to speak) will be cursed by God. Some Christians see blessing Israel as important for securing God's blessing in their lives and in the life of their country. This promise still holds true, but so does the general promise found in 1 Peter 3:9, 'not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing'. This is a general promise and command to those in Christ for dealing with all those who oppose you. It isn't just the Jews that we are to bless, in other words. Christians should keep that in mind when dealing with the Mideast. I also should add that these verses deal with people acting as civilians, not as employees of a government. Government deals with sin according to Romans chapter 13 and 1 Timothy chapter 2:2 where Paul commands men in the church to pray for those in authority so that they can lead 'quiet and peaceable [lives] in all godliness and reverence'. The idea is that government is to provide the sort of environment that allows for its citizen to live this way and when it doesn't it is going against the function that God has assigned for it. Part of this provision comes from punishing 'evil-doers' as delineated in the Romans' passage. So government acts somewhat differently than civilians in relationship to 'enemies'. God, unlike man often times, is not concerned with form of government - whether an absolute monarchy, republic, etc.. His concern is that the government function according to the mandates of His word. The protection of U.S. citizens against real and/or potential threats is a very important function of government and supercedes any nation's responsibilities to Israel - not that we should curse them. As it is, the U.S. basically finances both sides of the Israeli-Arab conflict. We fund the Arab side through our dependence on their oil. We fund the Israeli side via our monetary and military support of Israel.
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We are to care for our families first of all, then for our closer neighbors, secondly. Isn't that part of the message of the story about the good Samaritan? Doesn't 1 Timothy 5:4,8 teach this: 'Let them first learn to show piety at home...but if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.' We all fail at this at times - but this is the stated Biblical teaching and principle.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 4:12:44 PM
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RichLP
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And unstable is an understatement.
Very well, then YOU please tell me what leads you to think that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is unstable.
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I'm flabbergasted that any US citizen would defend, condone or support anyone or any country that has been so vocal about not only wiping Israel off the map, but the US and our interests, too.
This is precisely the type of thinking that I encounter repeatedly on these boards and which is often guilty of not knowing the relevant facts. I say Ahmadinejad would not necessarily launch a first strike (never mind that he is NOT the commander-in-chief of the Iranian military and hence lacks the authority to even issue such an order) and ask for others to show evidence that he is unstable and I am accused of defending/condoning/supporting him.
As for wiping Israel off the map: I engaged others here in 2007 about this, so I won't get into this again.
As for wiping America off the map: really? Ahmadinejad wants to erase America from Earth? Never heard that one. Please provide evidence.
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To really think they wouldn't do what they've threatened if given the chance...that's just naïveté , stupidity and living in denial.
They haven't threatened to wipe out Israel or America, so what are you possibly alluding to? *shrug*
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 4:16:02 PM
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His wanting to bring Armaggedon has to do with his belief in the reappearance of the 12th imam, and his wanting to bring about the reappearance of the 12th imam. You would need to study the Shi'a religion but the general rule is that the 12th imam is only going to reappear after much bloodshed and war, a sacrifice of sorts to entice him to come out of hiding. The world would need to be in great strife.
As far as him being unstable, that seems to me to be the case. It is not a matter of wanting to instill fear or being unaware of the facts, his own words are what lead me to believe this.
Some links that demonstrate his views:
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4164
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-051129-rferl01.htm
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Neither one of these links shows any statements by Ahmadinejad whereby he advocates or calls for or exhorts for the annihilation of either Israel, the United States, or humanity.
And you have not, via those links, shown evidence Ahmadinejad is unstable.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 4:19:45 PM
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You don't like my mangling of his name? I guess you'll just have to deal with it. I ain't changing it for you.
I guess, then, that you qualify name-calling as fair tactics in the exchange of ideas. Oh well.
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I can't provide the "evidence" you want. It was several years ago.
Then you admit you can't back up a statement you made - and if that is the case, then your statement is meaningless.
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No "evidence" as to his mental stability, but it should be pretty clear by noting his rhetoric and actions.
As I wrote a few days ago (do not remember if it was here on this specific thread or not), Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a leader whose government has foreign policy interests, just as ours do. He is also appeasing a domestic political audience. What may seem "insane" to you may be perfectly reasonable to the ears he's speaking to.
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Maybe you wouldn't, but there are plenty of others on this board who can't wait to jump in with a Bush comment.
But you admit bashing Bush is quite irrelevant to the Iranian missile tests?
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 5:23:05 PM
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His wanting to bring Armaggedon has to do with his belief in the reappearance of the 12th imam, and his wanting to bring about the reappearance of the 12th imam. You would need to study the Shi'a religion but the general rule is that the 12th imam is only going to reappear after much bloodshed and war, a sacrifice of sorts to entice him to come out of hiding. The world would need to be in great strife.
As far as him being unstable, that seems to me to be the case. It is not a matter of wanting to instill fear or being unaware of the facts, his own words are what lead me to believe this.
Some links that demonstrate his views:
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4164
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-051129-rferl01.htm
Sophie11:
Neither one of these links shows any statements by Ahmadinejad whereby he advocates or calls for or exhorts for the annihilation of either Israel, the United States, or humanity.
And you have not, via those links, shown evidence Ahmadinejad is unstable.
Well now that is your opinion. And though you are entitled to it, you seem to be putting forth much effort to defend this Iranian maniac. Why?
If you truly believe that Ahmadinejad has never called for the annihilation of Israel or the US, I'm afraid you are the one in denial of the facts.
The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.
"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."
Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8GVSUC0H&show_article=1
Just one from many articles I would be able to list if you insist on even more evidence.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 7:44:49 PM
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Well now that is your opinion. And though you are entitled to it, you seem to be putting forth much effort to defend this Iranian maniac. Why?
Yeah...I'd like an answer to that, too.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 8:29:15 PM
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I think John Bolton has some good ideas about Iran and North Korea.
God bless abundantly,
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 8:51:19 PM
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/12/2008 9:35:42 PM
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Empty Bluster
While it probably is just an empty bluster, the fact remains that the deisre is still with these people to see the world without the USA and Israel. Given a chance to blow either of us off the map, they'll take it.
We'd do best to take these threats seriously and remember The Boy Who Cried Wolf. One of these days, they just may not be crying "wolf".
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 12:56:24 AM
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Empty Bluster
While it probably is just an empty bluster, the fact remains that the deisre is still with these people to see the world without the USA and Israel. Given a chance to blow either of us off the map, they'll take it.
We'd do best to take these threats seriously and remember The Boy Who Cried Wolf. One of these days, they just may not be crying "wolf".
This sure reeks of the doctored photos scandal Reuters encountered with the month long, Israeli-Hezbollah War a year or 2 ago. In this case, I've heard that the photos of missle tests are actually one or 2 less utilized than what's been published.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 9:31:05 AM
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Even this probably won't satisfy the "America is the bad guy" crowd here. All they want to do is to rip America. I really feel sorry for them, that they live with so much hate and contempt in their hearts for the very country that allows them to voice those opinions.
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His wanting to bring Armaggedon has to do with his belief in the reappearance of the 12th imam, and his wanting to bring about the reappearance of the 12th imam. You would need to study the Shi'a religion but the general rule is that the 12th imam is only going to reappear after much bloodshed and war, a sacrifice of sorts to entice him to come out of hiding. The world would need to be in great strife.
As far as him being unstable, that seems to me to be the case. It is not a matter of wanting to instill fear or being unaware of the facts, his own words are what lead me to believe this.
Some links that demonstrate his views:
http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4164
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-051129-rferl01.htm
Sophie11:
Neither one of these links shows any statements by Ahmadinejad whereby he advocates or calls for or exhorts for the annihilation of either Israel, the United States, or humanity.
And you have not, via those links, shown evidence Ahmadinejad is unstable.
Well now that is your opinion. And though you are entitled to it, you seem to be putting forth much effort to defend this Iranian maniac. Why?
If you truly believe that Ahmadinejad has never called for the annihilation of Israel or the US, I'm afraid you are the one in denial of the facts.
The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.
"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."
Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8GVSUC0H&show_article=1
Just one from many articles I would be able to list if you insist on even more evidence.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 10:16:44 AM
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Even this probably won't satisfy the "America is the bad guy" crowd here. All they want to do is to rip America. I really feel sorry for them, that they live with so much hate and contempt in their hearts for the very country that allows them to voice those opinions.
-Dave
I agree Dave.
My problem with this though is that whether one believes Iran is just full of bluffs or they are serious, defend whichever position without denying obvious truths to do so. Saying that Ahmadinejad never said he wanted to annihilate Israel? Really? I mean at least defend the man with truths if one is going to defend him. And asking for evidence of such statements? I'm pretty sure it is an easy thing to find on one's own without much digging at all, it only took me 10 seconds to find transcripts of Ahmadinejad's speeches.
Anyway, I don't know if or who is in the "hate America" crowd, but either way one should be able to at least stay in the realm of reality when discussing Iran. I am not in favor of jumping into a war with them either, let me assure you. But I will not go so far as to defend Ahmadinejad and attempt to make him out to be just another average leader in order to say so. He is a lunatic. He wants Israel and the US to be destroyed. It is fact. One can still say they do not want war with Iran while acknowledging that though.
Well anyhow this kind of went off in a rant so I suppose I better stop here! 
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 12:07:39 PM
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Even this probably won't satisfy the "America is the bad guy" crowd here. All they want to do is to rip America. I really feel sorry for them, that they live with so much hate and contempt in their hearts for the very country that allows them to voice those opinions.
-Dave
Davemiller7,
I am assuming that the "America is the bad guy crowd" is an allusion to me. If that is correct, then I suggest you stop making these assumptions if you want to debate, please.
"America is the bad guy" is way too simplistic a way to look at realpolitik.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 12:13:15 PM
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Well now that is your opinion. And though you are entitled to it, you seem to be putting forth much effort to defend this Iranian maniac. Why?
This is your first error. You keep insisting I am "defending" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and by doing so you (and others here on this website) consequently portray me as an apologist for the enemy, which is one step short of labeling me a "traitor." I'm used it it, though (chuckles).
I insist on looking at the facts.
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If you truly believe that Ahmadinejad has never called for the annihilation of Israel or the US, I'm afraid you are the one in denial of the facts.
I'll get to Israel in one moment. But, when did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad openly call for the actual obliteration of the United States of America?
Now, for Breitbart:
The headline is misleading. It conflates what Mahmoud AHmadinejad terms "the Zionist regime" with Israel itself. The Israeli government is not the Holy Land currently under the administration under the State of Israel just as the federal government of the United States is not America.
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Just one from many articles I would be able to list if you insist on even more evidence.
Great! Should make for a healthy exchange of ideas.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 2:22:42 PM
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Well now that is your opinion. And though you are entitled to it, you seem to be putting forth much effort to defend this Iranian maniac. Why?
This is your first error. You keep insisting I am "defending" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and by doing so you (and others here on this website) consequently portray me as an apologist for the enemy, which is one step short of labeling me a "traitor." I'm used it it, though (chuckles).
I have not been insisting, I only asked the question once. And I said nothing about being a traitor.
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Now, for Breitbart:
The headline is misleading. It conflates what Mahmoud AHmadinejad terms "the Zionist regime" with Israel itself. The Israeli government is not the Holy Land currently under the administration under the State of Israel just as the federal government of the United States is not America.
So when he says Israel should be "wiped off the map", you mean to say he is only speaking of their government? No violence is intended in that statement?
I think you are overthinking his statements. It is no secret he hates Israel.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 4:22:37 PM
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Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster?
I lean more towards bluster, but it seems that he would have learened from his neighbor Saddam that bluster can get one in a lot of trouble.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 8:53:14 PM
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If the shoe fits, wear it! There's not much to debate. Sophie presented the evidence which you dismiss. Not worth my time to debate emptiness.
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Even this probably won't satisfy the "America is the bad guy" crowd here. All they want to do is to rip America. I really feel sorry for them, that they live with so much hate and contempt in their hearts for the very country that allows them to voice those opinions.
-Dave
Davemiller7,
I am assuming that the "America is the bad guy crowd" is an allusion to me. If that is correct, then I suggest you stop making these assumptions if you want to debate, please.
"America is the bad guy" is way too simplistic a way to look at realpolitik.
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/13/2008 8:59:12 PM
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If the shoe fits, wear it! There's not much to debate. Sophie presented the evidence which you dismiss. Not worth my time to debate emptiness.
Chuckles.
Davemiller7, from what I've read of your posts here and in other discussions within Current Events, you seem not to know much about Middle Eastern geopolitical issues. But I will say that your cute little personal attack (emptiness) was not surprising.
I'll debate you one-on-one anytime if you want a serious exchange, but given your penchant to make unrelated accusations and comments, I speculate it may be best not to even bother.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/14/2008 8:58:00 AM
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Even this probably won't satisfy the "America is the bad guy" crowd here. All they want to do is to rip America. I really feel sorry for them, that they live with so much hate and contempt in their hearts for the very country that allows them to voice those opinions.
-Dave
Davemiller7,
I am assuming that the "America is the bad guy crowd" is an allusion to me. If that is correct, then I suggest you stop making these assumptions if you want to debate, please.
"America is the bad guy" is way too simplistic a way to look at realpolitik.
Davemiller -
Job 38:2
Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
Job 13:5
Oh, that you would be silent,
And it would be your wisdom!
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/14/2008 9:21:40 AM
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RichLP and TaoPoohBear,
Dittos to both of my post #67. Have a great day.
-Dave
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The presence of God watches over me.
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/14/2008 9:50:47 AM
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RichLP and TaoPoohBear,
Dittos to both of my post #67. Have a great day.
-Dave
Dave,
Since you claim the authority to speak so mightily as to whose views here are based on fact or not, would you accept a one-on-one debate here or via email to see whether my views really are based on "nothingness?"
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"We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda" - G.W. Bush lies to America and to the world, 5/1/2003
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RE: Iranian Missile Test - Threat or Empty Bluster? - 7/14/2008 11:02:56 AM
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davemiller7
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No point in it as I said before. Your mind is made up. So is mine. Let's both save our time, energy and patience.
But thanx for the invite.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: RichLP
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
RichLP and TaoPoohBear,
Dittos to both of my post #67. Have a great day.
-Dave
Dave,
Since you claim the authority to speak so mightily as to whose views here are based on fact or not, would you accept a one-on-one debate here or via email to see whether my views really are based on "nothingness?"
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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