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ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn

In Heaven will we see God and Jesus separately, like two different "bodies" if you will? For an example, if I were in Heaven and I had sat down to eat dinner with Jesus and God and there are three seats at the table, will all three sits be filled, or just two? (Considering I am sitting down too)

I hope I am explaining this right. I just want to know others thoughts on this even though none of us has exactly been to Heaven.


*Moderators, I posted this and just realized I posted this in the category "God", sorry if it's in the wrong forum.

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The Father and the Son are indeed one God, however they are not the same person. You will most certainly see both the Father and the Son when you see heaven. We can say this for certain because this is what John saw in his Revelation, it is what David saw in his prophetic vision of the future, and it is what Jesus Christ said we will see:

Revelation 5:13-14
And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever." 14And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen " And the elders fell down and worshiped.

We can see here, both "Him who sits on the throne" (the Father) and the Lamb (the Son).

Daniel 7:13-14
13"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14"And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

This vision of Daniel's is the same scene that John saw. The Son of Man is Jesus Christ, is the Lamb. The Ancient of Days is the Father, is the Him who sits on the throne. Revelation chapters four and five are parallel to Daniel 7:13-14. Both John and Daniel saw the Father and the Son as distinct persons, so will all of creation when we come before the throne of God.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus said to him, " You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

Here, Jesus Christ tells us the same thing. He is directly referencing the prophecy of Daniel. That prophecy of Daniel 7:13-14 is the reason that Jesus Christ called Himself the Son of Man.

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ORIGINAL: figmentPez

DougHorton is wrong, we don't have to speculate about what we will see in heaven, because we have the testimony of John and the testimony of Daniel, telling us what they saw, and that is what we will see as well.

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ORIGINAL: DougHorton

If you say so. I was hoping though that the description of Jesus as a mutant lamb with its fur matted with blood was figurative, not to mention all the multitudes squashed under the throne.

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ORIGINAL: DougHorton

So you are saying that God the Father has a body?

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Let's remember that whenever God is manifested physically, comes in the flesh or any other form such as the burning bush, pillar of cloud or fire, etc., that this is the 2nd person of the Trinity. So when we say we will see God, we mean that we will see Christ, with the Father represented through Him.

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ORIGINAL: mikejonesoftn
Is heart to be taken literal? or to take heart as a metaphor?

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ORIGINAL: DougHorton

Let's remember that whenever God is manifested physically, comes in the flesh or any other form such as the burning bush, pillar of cloud or fire, etc., that this is the 2nd person of the Trinity. So when we say we will see God, we mean that we will see Christ, with the Father represented through Him.

Certainly we will know all of the persons of the Trinity. And certainly, we will see the Redeemer physically. Beyond that, though, I think we can only speculate.

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ORIGINAL: abu_khomar
how can u tell if it is the second person of the trinity or not? What biblical evidence is there for this assertion?

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ORIGINAL: DougHorton

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ORIGINAL: abu_khomar
how can u tell if it is the second person of the trinity or not? What biblical evidence is there for this assertion?

The Father is a most pure spirit, invisible, and without body or parts. John 4:24; I Tim. 1:17; John 1:18; Deut. 4:15-16; John 4:24; Luke 24:39

The role of the Holy Spirit is to point to the Father and Son, not to Himself. John 15:26; Gal. 4:6

Therefore, if there is a physical manifestation of God, which person of the Trinity would it be?

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ORIGINAL: abu_khomar
What does the NT say is the role of the Son, as you have listed the roles of the Holy Spirit in the NT. The only thing I am asking is, since they are all three co-equal and co-eternal in the OT, then how can you tell which person it is that is being manifested or made known unto man when scripture simply does not distinguish between the three at all times, especially in the OT which we are referring to.

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ORIGINAL: DougHorton

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ORIGINAL: abu_khomar
What does the NT say is the role of the Son, as you have listed the roles of the Holy Spirit in the NT. The only thing I am asking is, since they are all three co-equal and co-eternal in the OT, then how can you tell which person it is that is being manifested or made known unto man when scripture simply does not distinguish between the three at all times, especially in the OT which we are referring to.

Bob answered your question with Col 1:15-18. The purpose of the 2nd Person is to be "the image of the invisible God".

We do not need to be told in each instance who is who. We know the role and purpose each Person of the Trinity fulfills and when we see that role fulfilled, we know who it is.

If I were watching surgery, I would not need to ask which is the surgeon, the nurse or the anesthesiologist. Each person fulfilling their role would make the distinction clear.

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"God was in Christ, reconciling himself to the world," and He had to die in order for our salvation to ever happen.

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If we aren't told who each person is in whatever instance is, then how are we to know when the purpose of the specific event given isn't listed in scripture elsewhere for that particular person?