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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/27/2008 7:08:20 AM
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Real_Solitude
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I agree with Kon. I'd do anything in which making the million wouldn't be, subjective to my judgment, a loss.
For instance, I'd shoot myself in the leg with a .22 handgun for a million dollars. It's two seconds work (plus a two or so moths heal time). It will cover the medical bills by far. My chances of dying are minute.
So it would be about 66 years work (at my current, pitiful pay) in 2 seconds. I'd call that worth it.
So really, to what extremes would you go for a million dollars?
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/27/2008 2:54:37 PM
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Nothing.
By doing anything for x amount, you are displaying your love for money. I'm not going to ignore scripture for quick cash.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/27/2008 8:57:51 PM
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Um, you're doing something at the expense of yourself for quick cash. That is NOT work. Go snarl your eyebrows elsewhere.
That is a horrible argument. You cannot serve both God and money, the Bible said it is the root to all kinds of evil for a reason.
Earning money would constitute as work. Harming and humilating yourself to all extremes does NOT constitute as work. It displays your love for money. And yes, it is completely unbiblical.
Hebrews 13:5
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/27/2008 9:48:03 PM
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Go snarl your eyebrows elsewhere. Ooooh, that's a good one!
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Earning money would constitute as work. Harming and humilating yourself to all extremes does NOT constitute as work. It displays your love for money. And yes, it is completely unbiblical.
I think the topic is what you'd do for a million dollars. Harming and humiliating oneself could be one way of doing that, but I don't think that those are the only options.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/27/2008 10:08:22 PM
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Still, that's ignoring scripture.
Lets say we exlcude the "what would you do for x amount" portion of the question, and look more in depth on the consequences.
Ecclesiastes 5:10
Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless.
Fine. You get your million dollars. Yay? No, not so much. It's clear that whoever desires wealth can never quench his thrist for more. Scripture points this out, and clearly says it is meaningless.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/28/2008 1:31:20 AM
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That is a horrible argument. You cannot serve both God and money, the Bible said it is the root to all kinds of evil for a reason.
I agree. God should be the only one that we serve. But like someone said earlier, He also wants to bless us. But we shouldn't LOVE money. You get what I'm saying? You have to work. God's not going to bless you if you don't work. Do you know the parable about the harvest? How there was a drought in the land, and one farmer had faith that it would rain. So he went out and harvest his field while another farmer didn't. Who do you think God blessed? The one who worked hard or the one who was lazy?
"The diligent find freedom in their work; the lazy are oppressed by work."
Proverbs 12:24 (The Message)
But no, I definitely agree what you're saying. We should never love money. We shouldn't rely on money to make us happy. we need to be careful of that. We should always put God first..in everything.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/28/2008 7:40:58 AM
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... Just because I think it'd be nice to have more money doesn't mean I love it. I'd just like for things 'round here to change. If I had that much money, I'd buy my family a house that is not so small, so we don't have to be so cramped. We wouldn't have to worry so much. Does that mean I love money? Would I be willing to waste my life to get it? Would I be willing to do anything that might in the smallest measure compromise my morals and values? The answer to all of these questions is no. What I'm trying to say is, you can do something (whatever that something is, I never specified) to get money, but that DOESN'T mean that you love it.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/28/2008 9:52:06 AM
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Um, you're doing something at the expense of yourself for quick cash. That is NOT work. Go snarl your eyebrows elsewhere.
That is a horrible argument. You cannot serve both God and money, the Bible said it is the root to all kinds of evil for a reason.
Earning money would constitute as work. Harming and humilating yourself to all extremes does NOT constitute as work. It displays your love for money. And yes, it is completely unbiblical.
Hebrews 13:5
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."
The reason most people work is for money. If people didn't need money, most people wouldn't work. They would do things that interested them. Few if any would work 9-5, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 40-50 years.
Now you're telling me that it's better to work for petty wages for the rest of your life than to debase yourself for a few seconds? Which shows more love of money? The willingness to throw away 83,200 hours (40hrs/wk*52wk/yr*40yr) or the pragmatism of showing a tiny bit of humility and throwing away a tiny portion of your time so that you won't have to pursue money for the rest of your life?
A fool and his money are soon parted, or so the saying goes. If some fool is willing to part with a million dollars to watch me debase myself for a few short minutes, I'm taking that fools' money and putting it to better use.
How much good could you do for the world with 10 to 20 years of free time? How much community service could you perform? How many missions could you go on?
For that matter, how many failing churches could you help? How many mission trips or youth camps could you help with a million dollars?
You don't have to love money to realize that temporary loss of pride or health is an offer you should not refuse.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/28/2008 1:20:14 PM
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you lose health and pride anyway at work.
once you have 5 kids, a wife, friends, other family etc and you wont have time for everything, especially the things that matter more than money yet you are forced to keep working at a job you probably hate then you realize its not necessarily love for money...
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/29/2008 10:26:19 PM
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Um, you're doing something at the expense of yourself for quick cash. That is NOT work. Go snarl your eyebrows elsewhere.
That is a horrible argument. You cannot serve both God and money, the Bible said it is the root to all kinds of evil for a reason.
Earning money would constitute as work. Harming and humilating yourself to all extremes does NOT constitute as work. It displays your love for money. And yes, it is completely unbiblical.
Hebrews 13:5
Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."
The reason most people work is for money. If people didn't need money, most people wouldn't work. They would do things that interested them. Few if any would work 9-5, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 40-50 years.
Now you're telling me that it's better to work for petty wages for the rest of your life than to debase yourself for a few seconds? Which shows more love of money? The willingness to throw away 83,200 hours (40hrs/wk*52wk/yr*40yr) or the pragmatism of showing a tiny bit of humility and throwing away a tiny portion of your time so that you won't have to pursue money for the rest of your life?
A fool and his money are soon parted, or so the saying goes. If some fool is willing to part with a million dollars to watch me debase myself for a few short minutes, I'm taking that fools' money and putting it to better use.
How much good could you do for the world with 10 to 20 years of free time? How much community service could you perform? How many missions could you go on?
For that matter, how many failing churches could you help? How many mission trips or youth camps could you help with a million dollars?
You don't have to love money to realize that temporary loss of pride or health is an offer you should not refuse.
I agree totally.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/29/2008 10:29:36 PM
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completely agree with Real_Solitude
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/29/2008 10:48:11 PM
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But no, I definitely agree what you're saying.
I should frame a sentence such as this everytime its presented to me.
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What I'm trying to say is, you can do something to get money, but that DOESN'T mean that you love it.
You're NEVER going to be satisfied with what you get, though. You're missing that point.
When you're willing to harm yourself and others for money, that IS displaying affection for money.
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Now you're telling me that it's better to work for petty wages for the rest of your life than to debase yourself for a few seconds?
Yes.
How He cares for the sparrows, how much more does He care for me? Christ said He would provide for me, and He has. I'm not going to corrupt myself morally all for the sake of money.
And what seems like a few seconds could also bring a lifetime of regret.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/29/2008 10:49:36 PM
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once you have 5 kids, a wife, friends, other family etc and you wont have time for everything, especially the things that matter more than money yet you are forced to keep working at a job you probably hate then you realize its not necessarily love for money...
There's a difference between needing and loving.
Christ provides to your needs, not always your own desires.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/29/2008 10:51:47 PM
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Randy, if your never going to be satisfied with what you get, then just go ahead and chunk everything you have and go live in a box because obviously if you get a little bit of money or a job, you'll never be satisfied. so just play it safe so that there is no chance of you becoming obsessed with money.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/29/2008 11:12:35 PM
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Randy, if your never going to be satisfied with what you get, then just go ahead and chunk everything you have and go live in a box
1.) The Bible says you will never be satisfied finiacially. If you have five dollars in your pocket, you probably wish you could double it. Again, and again, never being content with what you have.
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Ecclesiastes 5:10
Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless.
2.) Jesus said to sell everything you have to the poor, for your riches are in Heaven. If I were give my belongings away to the poor, I would become richer in Heaven. The place where the currency counts the most.
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because obviously if you get a little bit of money or a job, you'll never be satisfied.
No, you won't.
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so just play it safe so that there is no chance of you becoming obsessed with money.
How is not being greedy "playing it safe"? That's a ridiculous statement. Jesus said He WOULD provide for YOU. Don't be Peter and fall into the shallow deep because of your lack of faith.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/30/2008 1:16:36 AM
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I'm with randy on this. The Bible clearly warns over and over about "get rich quick" schemes.
Work itself can be a blessing. There's nothing quite like the satisfaction of a job well done. In the Garden of Eden, God gave Adam and Eve the duty of tending to the garden. Since it was paradise, that work was pleasant. When they sinned, God placed a curse upon work, making it hard. But it was nevertheless a divine gift.
And I have to bring up the little matter of "windfall syndrome." countless people who had managed one waynpr another to get rich quick go beserk an wind up worse off than ever. And without anything constructive to do, people often get depressed and bothersome.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/30/2008 1:31:42 AM
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I'm with randy on this.
That's twice in one day, kids. We're setting records.
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Work itself can be a blessing. There's nothing quite like the satisfaction of a job well done. In the Garden of Eden, God gave Adam and Eve the duty of tending to the garden. Since it was paradise, that work was pleasant. When they sinned, God placed a curse upon work, making it hard. But it was nevertheless a divine gift.
That's an excellent perspective.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/30/2008 6:11:32 AM
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What I'm trying to say is, you can do something to get money, but that DOESN'T mean that you love it.
You're NEVER going to be satisfied with what you get, though. You're missing that point.
When you're willing to harm yourself and others for money, that IS displaying affection for money.
No, not it's not. It's taking a job. Do soldiers demonstrate their love for money when they kill enemy combatants? Does the executioner when he pulls the switch? Does the boxer when he's punched?
Does doing something like this every day, turning it into a career instead of a one-time stunt make it okay somehow?
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Now you're telling me that it's better to work for petty wages for the rest of your life than to debase yourself for a few seconds?
Yes.
How He cares for the sparrows, how much more does He care for me? Christ said He would provide for me, and He has. I'm not going to corrupt myself morally all for the sake of money.
And what seems like a few seconds could also bring a lifetime of regret.
Who said anything about corrupting yourself? The question was "What would you do for a million dollars?"
It's not, "Would you rape and kill several kittens for a million dollars?"
There are plenty of debasing or painful things you could do that would require no moral sacrifice.
Take, for instance, Fear Factor. If someone offered you a million dollars to (to take examples from the show)
jump from one rooftop to another, get a weird haircut, and grab a key from an underwater maze (your safety is guaranteed) you wouldn't do it?
Or if it were to take a bite out of a cooked cow testicle?
Many of the things that you can imagine would be, quite frankly, work. Work is simply the offering of money from one person (or entity) to another for the performance of a specific service. This applies to any type of work you will ever do. Getting a million dollars to do something painful/debasing is merely switching up the pay and job description.
This difference in the question lies in that you're the one setting the job description. You get to choose the 'worst' thing you'd do for a million dollars. It not a challenge to your morality, it's a question of open examination built as a way to see what the limits of various people are.
Like I said, I'd shoot myself in the leg with a low-caliber gun, provided there were doctors on hand, for a million dollars. This would be a vast career improvement for me, as it would allow me to pay for my entire college career for very little work.
I'll ask again. What would you do for a million dollars?
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 7/30/2008 6:23:56 AM
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so just play it safe so that there is no chance of you becoming obsessed with money.
How is not being greedy "playing it safe"? That's a ridiculous statement. Jesus said He WOULD provide for YOU. Don't be Peter and fall into the shallow deep because of your lack of faith.
You're telling me that you wouldn't see a stranger offering you a nice sum of money for relatively little work as an opportunity of sorts?
There was a story I heard once. It goes like this:
"A man is sitting on his porch as flood waters rise. A woman floats by in a boat, asking if the man needs help. "No, thank you," says the man, "I'm trusting in the Lord." The waters rise higher, sending the man upstairs. A raft full of people floats by his second story window. "Get in," they say, "there's plenty of room." "No thanks," says the man, "I'm trusting in the Lord." The flood waters keep rising, pushing the man up to the roof. A helicopter swoops in, lowering its ladder for the man. "Thanks anyway," shouts the man, "I'm trusting in the Lord." Finally, the man is swept away in the torrent and drowns. At the gates of Heaven, the man asks God, "Why didn't you save me?" "What do you mean?'' replies God, "I sent two boats and a helicopter.""
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/3/2008 6:56:45 AM
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No, not it's not. It's taking a job.
Shooting yourself in the leg, or any part of the anatomy, is considered a job?
I won't blatantly ignore the fact that our physical form happens to be the temple God dwells in. He told me not to harm that temple. Why would I deliberating harm something He told me not to, for something that I'll never be satisfied with?
That doesn't make any sense.
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It's not, "Would you rape and kill several kittens for a million dollars?"
Murderers and rapists are no worse off than someone who craves wealth.
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Take, for instance, Fear Factor. If someone offered you a million dollars to jump from one rooftop to another, get a weird haircut, and grab a key from an underwater maze you wouldn't do it? Or if it were to take a bite out of a cooked cow testicle?
I've seen Fear Factor a time too many. Those times have revealed that often those people regret performing such acts because it usually results in some form of humiliation.
Again, I trust my Lord to provide for myself. He said He would and He's required to do so by His word.
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I'll ask again. What would you do for a million dollars?
Babble on a community when I should be sleeping. Now THAT's work.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/3/2008 5:39:41 PM
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Years ago I was dating a young girl whose mother had just divorced her father. We had just came bact from a movie. It was around 9:00 PM. As we approched her house there were a lot of cars parked in there drive, and on the street in front of there house. When she went inside she was told her father was dead. An investigation persuded for the next 2, or 3 weeks. At the end of it the investigator told them he had shot himself in the stomach with a 22 pistol. But he said he did'nt think it was sucide. He said no one shots themselves in the stomach if they want to kill themselves. He said he thought her father was trying to play the sympathy card in hopes of causing her mother to come back to him. The autopsy showed the bullet would have passed through his stomach and exited the body. And with all probability he would have survived. But the bullet went through his stomach, struck a rib in his back, and recocheted up through his heart. just a little food for thought....
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/30/2008 9:35:31 PM
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Nothing.
By doing anything for x amount, you are displaying your love for money. I'm not going to ignore scripture for quick cash.
ur pretty smart about this stuff.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/30/2008 9:40:12 PM
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The reason most people work is for money. If people didn't need money, most people wouldn't work. They would do things that interested them. Few if any would work 9-5, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year for 40-50 years.
Now you're telling me that it's better to work for petty wages for the rest of your life than to debase yourself for a few seconds? Which shows more love of money? The willingness to throw away 83,200 hours (40hrs/wk*52wk/yr*40yr) or the pragmatism of showing a tiny bit of humility and throwing away a tiny portion of your time so that you won't have to pursue money for the rest of your life?
A fool and his money are soon parted, or so the saying goes. If some fool is willing to part with a million dollars to watch me debase myself for a few short minutes, I'm taking that fools' money and putting it to better use.
How much good could you do for the world with 10 to 20 years of free time? How much community service could you perform? How many missions could you go on?
For that matter, how many failing churches could you help? How many mission trips or youth camps could you help with a million dollars?
You don't have to love money to realize that temporary loss of pride or health is an offer you should not refuse.
no offense, but working is normal, and it's means we're putting a little effort into what we want. God gives us what He knows we need. Doing something, like shooting yourself in the leg, or shaving your head, for a million bucks just makes you look like a greedy, may I say idiot.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/30/2008 10:46:36 PM
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Shooting yourself in the leg, or any part of the anatomy, is considered a job?
I won't blatantly ignore the fact that our physical form happens to be the temple God dwells in. He told me not to harm that temple. Why would I deliberating harm something He told me not to, for something that I'll never be satisfied with?
That doesn't make any sense.
I'm going to play the hypocrisy card right here.
Do you drink carbonated beverages? Energy drinks? Do you consume primarily high-rated glycemic index foods? Does your diet contain a high number of carbohydrates?
Do you sit for your computer/t.v. without taking a 5 minuted break per-hour? Chew ice cubes? Participate in potentially dangerous sports?
Are you overweight? Out of shape? Neglect the upkeep of your physical wellbeing?
If you directly harm your body in any way, or neglect to keep your body healthy in any way, even ones that are 'accepted' or 'benign', then your argument is hypocritical. For that matter, I'd be willing to bet that you do neglect your body/harm your body in some way, and I'd bet a million dollars on that.
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Murderers and rapists are no worse off than someone who craves wealth.
But if someone asks you if you'd do X for a million dollars, and X is within reasonable limits, then you don't have to "crave wealth" in order to realize that this proposition is a really good idea.
If someone is within what you would define as 'reasonable limits', and you accept, you've merely taken a job. You could make that argument is that if something is outside of what you would consider 'reasonable limits' then it goes beyond just a job, and into depravity, but the whole purpose of this topic is to establish those limits.
Even if your answer to, "What would you do for a million dollars?" is "Work for thirty years at a dead-end job." then you have still just established those reasonable limits, and you have still answered the question, and you don't have to crave wealth to do this.
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Take, for instance, Fear Factor. If someone offered you a million dollars to jump from one rooftop to another, get a weird haircut, and grab a key from an underwater maze you wouldn't do it? Or if it were to take a bite out of a cooked cow testicle?
I've seen Fear Factor a time too many. Those times have revealed that often those people regret performing such acts because it usually results in some form of humiliation.
Again, I trust my Lord to provide for myself. He said He would and He's required to do so by His word.
You avoided the question. If someone offered you a million dollars to perform the acts I listed, would you do it?
Go read post #45. If some random person offered you a million dollars for X, and you refused it, it may be that you just passed by that providing.
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I'll ask again. What would you do for a million dollars?
Babble on a community when I should be sleeping. Now THAT's work.
But, oh no! Now you're accepting a 'job' that is directly detrimental to your health!
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I don't see that as unbiblical.
