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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/30/2008 10:53:05 PM
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[...]But the bullet went through his stomach, struck a rib in his back, and recocheted up through his heart. just a little food for thought....
I see where you're going, but I know enough about guns to know that the .22 is the caliber most likely to ricochet off of bone, because it rarely has enough power to break through a bone once it's been slowed by body mass. At short ranges, a .22 can be the most deadly firearm.
However, if it hits no bone, it is the least damaging caliber of firearm. Since I have a bit of anatomy knowledge, and know that the .22 reflects off of bone, this isn't a mistake I could make.
Even if given a million dollars to shoot myself with a .22, I would do further research into the selected portion of anatomy to see where it would be least dangerous.
The only reason that I considered shooting myself with a .22 as within the limits of what I'd do for a million dollars is because I know enough about it to do it safely.
I wouldn't consider shooting myself in the head with a .22 for any amount of money, because even though it's possible to survive such a thing with little damage, if you knew what you were doing, I do not know what I'd be doing, and so wouldn't do it.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/30/2008 11:22:04 PM
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Nothing.
By doing anything for x amount, you are displaying your love for money. I'm not going to ignore scripture for quick cash.
ur pretty smart about this stuff.
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no offense, but working is normal, and it's means we're putting a little effort into what we want. God gives us what He knows we need. Doing something, like shooting yourself in the leg, or shaving your head, for a million bucks just makes you look like a greedy, may I say idiot.
If I need to tell you what's contradictory with the statements:
"By doing anything for x amount, you are displaying your love for money" and "no offense, but working is normal, and it's means we're putting a little effort into what we want."
Working is not 'normal'. The first form of what could be identified as work was farming. Farming has only been around for about 12,000 years. Considering that Homo sapien sapien emerged about 200,000 years ago. Before farming was invented the primary form of food intake was gathering. (Hunting was supplemental to hunting, and therefore not primary). While gather certainly took time and effort, it was not 'work' in that wealth was not transfered from one person to another for labor.
Work has only been around for 1/16th of humanity's existence. It is not 'normal', nor natural. Even if it has been 'normalized' by society, it is not what humans are evolved to do.
If I saw someone agree to have their head shaved for a million dollars, I wouldn't think they were greedy, nor an idiot. It would think the the person was smart for taking advantage of a rare opportunity to increase their standard of living.
The only person that I would think was an idiot would be the person that refused to go a tiny bit outside of their comfort zone for that same opportunity.
In the case of shooting themselves in the leg, I would caution most people against it. Most people don't have the anatomy nor firearm training to make sure they were as safe as possible about it. If someone did it, however, I would still think that the trade was a reasonable one.
In physics, Power is Work divided by time. P=W/t
This formula also applies nicely to society. Except in our case it would be W=P/t where W is work, P is profit, and t is time. If you can increase profit while keeping time the same, increase profit while decreasing time, or decrease time without decreasing profit, and doing any of these does not compromise your morals or break the law, then doing so is a smart move.
Let's say I make W= $8/1hr. If, by shaving my head I can change this to W= $1million/15min, then I have done something I would consider smart, because doing so does not violate the law, nor my morality.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/31/2008 12:58:29 AM
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Here goes, no sleep and passing out at the desk....:
Everything Real_Solitude has said, does indeed make sense. If anyone doesn't think so, please take off your pre-determined religious attitudes and read his posts again.
I just spent the last hour or so carefully reading the last three pages with no bias, no pre-determined outlook. I just read it, and drew a conclusion afterwards.
The love of money is evil yes. Doing something to gain money is not. Whether it be a steady job or a simple favor for someone.
Within your own limits, you can do things in return for sustenance. i do not believe that is wrong. It becomes wrong when once you receive the money your first off: don't use it in a responsible manner, and second: do indeed want more only for the sake of having it.
I would do something with in limits I thought were not unreasonable if it meant gaining money in a shorter time that I could use constructively, and if it would be of actual profit to me as Kon had mentioned earlier. That is time saved for better use such as getting that early start in school, taking care of bills perhaps, providing a better living standard for my family AND actually having time to be with the family. etc etc...money, no matter how much is earned in what amount of time whether it be over a 60 year span or with in a couple of hours, is still money. and we use it to sustain ourselves. It is what we have established as a means of exchange for what we need. God doesn't directly show up every month to hand you a check, pat you on the back for sitting in your lame state "trusting in him", and smile at you from a cloud till the next month. He provides through other people/things and we are expected to earn it. He blesses you with the opportunity of a job, or in this discussion a chance meeting with someone willing to give you 1 million dollars if you do something to earn it. It is then up to the individual to determine whether or not the conditions are reasonable, and within his/her moral standings.
amazing how this little question ended up a debate....
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/31/2008 1:24:56 AM
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If anyone doesn't think so, please take off your pre-determined religious attitudes and read his posts again.
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The love of money is evil yes. Doing something to gain money is not.
A line must be drawn between the two. Doing something in spite of a moral choice just to gain money is still sinful, regardless whether it is the display of money or not.
Doing something translates again to doing anything for the gain of one's wealth. Only someone in love with money would do absolutely anything, no matter the characteristics of morality or not, to gain it regardless of whom suffers from it.
That is not "OK". I don't care if it's a "biased, pre-determined religious mindset" or not. I will not call what is wrong right when it is, in fact, wrong.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/31/2008 5:25:07 AM
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The love of money is evil yes. Doing something to gain money is not.
A line must be drawn between the two. Doing something in spite of a moral choice just to gain money is still sinful, regardless whether it is the display of money or not.
Doing something translates again to doing anything for the gain of one's wealth.
Doing "something" in order to receive money does not translate, in any manner, into doing "anything" in order to gain money. Nor is gaining money usually used to gain wealth. Very few people actually make a concerted effort to gain money just to have it. They seek money for sustenance (Food/housing), then comfort (A/C, Electricity), then entertainment. Just because someone will shave their head ("something") for money does not mean they will murder ("anything") for money.
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Only someone in love with money would do absolutely anything, no matter the characteristics of morality or not, to gain it regardless of whom suffers from it.
False. Let's construct a situation where you, or I, would do pretty much anything for money.
Hypothetical: A group of terrorists kidnaps your family. They say that if they don't receive 2 million dollars within 1 week, they will torture and kill your family.
A rich man hears of your plight and tells you that if you agree to shoot yourself in the leg with a .22 for his entertainment, he will pay for the hospital bills you'll accrue from the gunshot, and will give you the 2 million dollars with which to pay the ransom.
Do you do it?
Of course you do. For almost any activity you propose, I can envision a situation for which I would do that activity in order to receive money.
More importantly, you're arguing against a straw-man.
No one here has made the argument that it's okay to do anything to get money. Even in my previous example, I can also imagine a situation (having to kill the entire world population) that I would never comply with the requirements, regardless of how much I'd receive.
Ash certainly never made the argument that it's okay to do "anything" for money.
I'm trying to get you to admit that you can do X for a million dollars without it being automatically immoral. Some values of X will be immoral, but so far you've basically been saying that all values of X are immoral. This is self-evidently not the case if you use your imagination to envision situations in which you would do X for the money. The situation can be anything, and can take any amount of time.
Even if the situation is "Work a job" and the time required is "thirty years", this still fits within the parameters of "What would you do for a million dollars?"
Since I can almost guarantee that you will work a job, and can almost guarantee that (since you live in a first-world country) you will eventually have made over 1 million dollars at this work, you will inevitably do X for a million dollars, for a given value of X
Now, the question again:
What would you do for a million dollars?
I'm looking for the answer that is most 'extreme', and closest to your moral boundaries. What is the 'worst' think you'd do for a million dollars?
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/31/2008 9:33:16 AM
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(quote by Real_Solitude)Working is not 'normal'. The first form of what could be identified as work was farming. Farming has only been around for about 12,000 years. Considering that Homo sapien sapien emerged about 200,000 years ago. Before farming was invented the primary form of food intake was gathering. (Hunting was supplemental to hunting, and therefore not primary). While gather certainly took time and effort, it was not 'work' in that wealth was not transferred from one person to another for labor.
Work has only been around for 1/16th of humanity's existence. It is not 'normal', nor natural. Even if it has been 'normalized' by society, it is not what humans are evolved to do.(end quote)
Sorry, but I don't believe in evolution, so that don't help. And actually, gathering food would be work, whether you get paid or not,because you would have to move the food back to wherever you were staying. Or eat it. Which means some stuff you would have to cook, which is, again, work. And yes, I believe humans were CREATED, not evolved, to work for God.
"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20
And if you don't believe humans were created...
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
You have some good arguments, like "It would think the the person was smart for taking advantage of a rare opportunity to increase their standard of living." Maybe. Or "Hypothetical: A group of terrorists kidnaps your family. They say that if they don't receive 2 million dollars within 1 week, they will torture and kill your family.
A rich man hears of your plight and tells you that if you agree to shoot yourself in the leg with a .22 for his entertainment, he will pay for the hospital bills you'll accrue from the gunshot, and will give you the 2 million dollars with which to pay the ransom.
Do you do it?
Of course you do. For almost any activity you propose, I can envision a situation for which I would do that activity in order to receive money. " It might not be so bad.
But from my standpoint, I wouldn't shave my head if I felt it would dishonor my "temple" or my body. And I might not shoot myself just to get money to save my kids. That would be showing I don't trust God to take care of my family. Although I read the story about how God sent two boats and a helicopter. He might be providing through the guy, but (although it's possible) I don't think God would ask me to intentionally hurt myself, especially since with me, I might accidentally hit bone somehow and kill myself.
"Since I can almost guarantee that you will work a job, and can almost guarantee that (since you live in a first-world country) you will eventually have made over 1 million dollars at this work, you will inevitably do X for a million dollars, for a given value of X "
That makes sense. That is one argument I can agree with you on. If you didn't have to spend it, you'd make over a million dollars in your lifetime.
"I will not call what is wrong right when it is, in fact, wrong."
Thank you, Randy.
"Everything Real_Solitude has said, does indeed make sense. If anyone doesn't think so, please take off your pre-determined religious attitudes and read his posts again."
Shutterbox, sure it makes sense from his standpoint, but as Christians, we're supposed to stand up for what's right. So I won't be taking off my "pre-determined religious attitudes".
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/31/2008 12:31:28 PM
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I love how this thread just started out as an innocent thing.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 8/31/2008 1:22:31 PM
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Yeah, I was thinking about that this morning as I typed that last post. You didn't really mean anything. It was an innocent question.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 12:14:16 AM
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Yeah, I was thinking about that this morning as I typed that last post. You didn't really mean anything. It was an innocent question.
Yeah it was, haha. I mean, I'm glad that these people realize that God is way more important then money. But it was just supposed to be a fun question! :]
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 4:01:26 PM
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lol, it was indeed an innocent question. Some just don't have the capacity to let it be as such.... Kind of interesting how we choose to pick out some things and make them seem bad and then brush other things off which in my opinion are far worse and should not be brought in to this place. But that's a whole other discussion.
It all makes me laugh : )
Here was a simple question of to what limit you would go to if given the chance to do something for a lump of cash....no matter the reason for wanting it.
Goodness I just love narrow minds! :D
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 6:15:04 PM
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Sorry, but I don't believe in evolution, so that don't help. And actually, gathering food would be work, whether you get paid or not,because you would have to move the food back to wherever you were staying. Or eat it. Which means some stuff you would have to cook, which is, again, work. And yes, I believe humans were CREATED, not evolved, to work for God.
"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20
And if you don't believe humans were created...
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
I didn't say that in order to start a debate on evolution, so I'm not really going to argue the point.
The evidence we have available generally leads to the conclusion that evolutionary theory is correct. This conclusion is not limited to non-Christians. There are many people who are Christian that also accept the scientific consensus. They do this because they do not hold your strict-interpretation view of genesis. They view genesis as metaphor.
Alternatively, some people believe that history happened pretty much as science tells us it did, but that God occasionally intervenes. One such intervention, in some people's opinion, was the creation of mankind.
Further, even the Matthew 28:18-20 quote you give doesn't fulfill the idea that man was created for work for two reasons.
The first is that work is generally defined as giving time and effort in return for reward that can be used in an economic system. That is, doing a job to get paid.
The second is that the quote you give is from the new testament. The new testament which was written around 100 A.D.
Seeing as there was an old testament, the commands in the NT were obviously not given to the first people. Not matter what further commands God may have given, the original purpose of mankind could not have been to fulfill a command they weren't given for thousands of years.
In fact, just look at Gen 1:28. What is the purpose of mankind?
"Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.""
So, basically, "Have sex, have children, and make the world work for you."
Followed by Gen 1:30, ", "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food."
Basically, "Eat anything you want to."
So here we see God telling the first of mankind to eat, have sex, and do basically whatever they want.
Not exactly what I'd call work.
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But from my standpoint, I wouldn't shave my head if I felt it would dishonor my "temple" or my body. And I might not shoot myself just to get money to save my kids. That would be showing I don't trust God to take care of my family. Although I read the story about how God sent two boats and a helicopter. He might be providing through the guy, but (although it's possible) I don't think God would ask me to intentionally hurt myself, especially since with me, I might accidentally hit bone somehow and kill myself.
I don't mean to offend, but you obviously don't have children. Almost every parent I've talked to say that they would sacrifice anything to save their children in this sort of situation. If you had children, and you thought that shooting yourself would guarantee them safety, I can almost guarantee that you would.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 7:11:58 PM
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Goodness I just love narrow minds! :D
You should get a kick out of this community, then.
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i still agree with everything real_solitude and shutterbox has said.
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Some values of X will be immoral, but so far you've basically been saying that all values of X are immoral. This is self-evidently not the case if you use your imagination to envision situations in which you would do X for the money.
You keep begging the question, "what is the worst you think you'd for a million dollars?" It sounds exactly like you want a response that questions ones morality, and then someone tempts the thought of exceeding that standard for temporal wealth.
My answer, again, is nothing. I am not willing to tempt to cross the line of my moral boundaries to gain wealth that the Bible says I will NEVER be satisfied with in the first place.
I would not do my "worse" all for a worthless sum if it interacts with my faith in a negative way.
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but as Christians, we're supposed to stand up for what's right. So I won't be taking off my "pre-determined religious attitudes".
No. As Christians, we're supposed to mindlessly allow any form of mixed theology into our minds and ignore what God ever has to say.
Much like zombies, Christians have a hunger for misconception.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 9:38:51 PM
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You keep begging the question, "what is the worst you think you'd for a million dollars?" It sounds exactly like you want a response that questions ones morality, and then someone tempts the thought of exceeding that standard for temporal wealth.
My answer, again, is nothing. I am not willing to tempt to cross the line of my moral boundaries to gain wealth that the Bible says I will NEVER be satisfied with in the first place.
I would not do my "worse" all for a worthless sum if it interacts with my faith in a negative way.
And I keep putting "worst" in quotation marks because I don't mean worst as in "Bad, evil, immoral, amoral, unethical."
I mean "worst" as in, "Oddest, most extreme, most societally unacceptable, most disgusting, most bizarre."
I thought the quotation marks made that fairly clear. If I wanted to know which moral boundaries you'd cross for money, I would have posed that question.
I don't care if your answer is, "Take one of the careers featured on 'Dirty Jobs'." or ,"Fast in prayer for thirty days."
I know what you'd do for a million dollars. You'd have a career. You'd work a day job.
What I want to know is the oddest/most extreme/etc... think you'd do for a million dollars.
The question stands.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 9:50:48 PM
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Sorry, but I don't believe in evolution, so that don't help. And actually, gathering food would be work, whether you get paid or not,because you would have to move the food back to wherever you were staying. Or eat it. Which means some stuff you would have to cook, which is, again, work. And yes, I believe humans were CREATED, not evolved, to work for God.
"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:18-20
And if you don't believe humans were created...
"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them." Genesis 1:27
I didn't say that in order to start a debate on evolution, so I'm not really going to argue the point.
The evidence we have available generally leads to the conclusion that evolutionary theory is correct. This conclusion is not limited to non-Christians. There are many people who are Christian that also accept the scientific consensus. They do this because they do not hold your strict-interpretation view of genesis. They view genesis as metaphor.
Alternatively, some people believe that history happened pretty much as science tells us it did, but that God occasionally intervenes. One such intervention, in some people's opinion, was the creation of mankind.
I don't believe that true Christians believe that , but, as you said, that's not the point.
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Further, even the Matthew 28:18-20 quote you give doesn't fulfill the idea that man was created for work for two reasons.
The first is that work is generally defined as giving time and effort in return for reward that can be used in an economic system. That is, doing a job to get paid.
The second is that the quote you give is from the new testament. The new testament which was written around 100 A.D.
Seeing as there was an old testament, the commands in the NT were obviously not given to the first people. Not matter what further commands God may have given, the original purpose of mankind could not have been to fulfill a command they weren't given for thousands of years .
I believe that that is a moral absolute. It works for all places, all times, and all people. You do have a good point that he didn't say that directly to Old Testament people. Although I think we were created to follow Him and love Him. Why else would he make us in his image?
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In fact, just look at Gen 1:28. What is the purpose of mankind?
"Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.""
So, basically, "Have sex, have children, and make the world work for you."
Followed by Gen 1:30, ", "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food."
Basically, "Eat anything you want to."
So here we see God telling the first of mankind to eat, have sex, and do basically whatever they want.
Not exactly what I'd call work.
Doesn't really sound that way does it? Although that was b4 sin. We are constantly working to do what is right, now that sin has entered the world.
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But from my standpoint, I wouldn't shave my head if I felt it would dishonor my "temple" or my body. And I might not shoot myself just to get money to save my kids. That would be showing I don't trust God to take care of my family. Although I read the story about how God sent two boats and a helicopter. He might be providing through the guy, but (although it's possible) I don't think God would ask me to intentionally hurt myself, especially since with me, I might accidentally hit bone somehow and kill myself.
I don't mean to offend, but you obviously don't have children. Almost every parent I've talked to say that they would sacrifice anything to save their children in this sort of situation. If you had children, and you thought that shooting yourself would guarantee them safety, I can almost guarantee that you would.
Great point. Now that I think about it, yes, you are right, people do anything for their kids. I probably would. (Oh, and good thing I don't have kids. I can't even drive yet! lol.)
Can we just agree to disagree? beachcooky just started this with an innocent question. Why do we have to turn this into a debate? If we want to debate, let's start our own topic, and let beachcooky know we meant nothing against her question. It wasn't her fault.
I'll agree to disagree if you will. How's about it?
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 9:55:57 PM
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The name on my birth certificate is Jacob.
All arguments aside, i like your name.
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No. As Christians, we're supposed to mindlessly allow any form of mixed theology into our minds and ignore what God ever has to say.
Much like zombies, Christians have a hunger for misconception.
? Could you please explain. Sry if I 'm not understanding that.
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And I keep putting "worst" in quotation marks because I don't mean worst as in "Bad, evil, immoral, amoral, unethical."
I mean "worst" as in, "Oddest, most extreme, most societally unacceptable, most disgusting, most bizarre."
I thought the quotation marks made that fairly clear. If I wanted to know which moral boundaries you'd cross for money, I would have posed that question.
I don't care if your answer is, "Take one of the careers featured on 'Dirty Jobs'." or ,"Fast in prayer for thirty days."
I know what you'd do for a million dollars. You'd have a career. You'd work a day job.
What I want to know is the oddest/most extreme/etc... think you'd do for a million dollars.
The question stands.
That makes sense. Oh, and Jacob, Real_Solitude, whatever you want me to call you. I have nothing against you.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/1/2008 9:58:57 PM
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This is off topic, but did you realize we both have Revelation as our favorite book of the Bible? And I put Jesus as my fav. Bible character, and you put God. Not to much diff. So, we're not COMPLETELY disagreeing on stuff.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/3/2008 1:27:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: GodIsAmazing08
This is off topic, but did you realize we both have Revelation as our favorite book of the Bible? And I put Jesus as my fav. Bible character, and you put God. Not to much diff. So, we're not COMPLETELY disagreeing on stuff.
Heh,
Honestly, I'm pretty much arguing just to argue.
Debate, logic, and rhetoric are some of my favorite things. Not only are they extremely fun (if you don't take them seriously), but they allow you to learn about the world, and to compare viewpoints with other people.
I really don't care if I win or lose any given argument, I just like the back-and-forth, the exercise it provides my brain, and the information exchange inherent to debate.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/3/2008 1:21:47 PM
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That's good to know. I guess this'll help if I ever get in an argument that REALLY matters.
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RE: What would you do for a million bucks???? - 9/3/2008 6:30:59 PM
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hehe :P
Taking a debate seriously is quite a waste of energy, especially if all you're in it for is to win and be noted as right. no matter what, you'll always have those who refuse to take a hit and realize that they could be wrong, or that an opinion other then theirs isn't ridiculous.
c'est la vive :)
Debate is a great mind exercise, as Jacob said.
btw, for JesusFreak94: my name is Ash ^^
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