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Lufia -> i cried on that video (7/14/2008 8:44:43 PM)
Don't know if moderator will like it but it is from an american christian cardilogist. My husband an i cried over it. www.bibleprobe.com/hell2.htm

PrexicKehdaki -> RE: i cried on that video (7/14/2008 9:37:38 PM)
Creepy cheap documentaries scare me more than Hell.. [:(]

TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 3:37:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lufia Don't know if moderator will like it but it is from an american christian cardilogist. My husband an i cried over it. www.bibleprobe.com/hell2.htm Lies! Those people didn't really go to hell. It's all a lie from Satan to get people scared. I could teach you about it, but I'm sure most people would not believe me and/or would shrug it off. All I can say is don't believe it, it's just something to get you fearful. Just stand on your promises from God.

my quivers full -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 8:27:37 AM)
Not lies. These peoples experiences reflect my own. Why would satan try to scare people out of hell? Even Jesus said if Satans kingdom is working against itself, it will not stand. Satans lie is that there is no hell. Watching the video didn't make me fearful, it just reminded me that I have a responsibility to reach the lost for Jesus. Thanks

Lufia -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 8:44:46 AM)
exactly, satan would be against himself! And those people are now full of Love and they accepted Jesus as their savior. It changed their lives forever and for the good side. They stopped being violent, drug and alcool addicted. They may not have been in hell but they sure felt it. God knows our heart our willingness to believe. In the first case He knew that the young boy was hurt by his father who had killed the only friend he ever had ( the lamb) and that from that moment evil entered his heart. But God knew that it wasn't the boy's fault. He knew the boy has a good heart. And now the boy is on God's side. It is certainly not the devil's work!

19ramman85 -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 9:33:45 AM)
It is possible, after all, even the American Psychiatric Association and American Psycological Association - agree that thes do happen. Whether they are real or just some sort of psycotic moment- no one can really tell. But as long as the benefits are towards the positive side - I don't believe you're going to get much out of the Psyc. field. TheBibleTruth ...... Lies! Those people didn't really go to hell. And you can prove this, right? God -himself, told you this, right? Maybe they didn't go to the - "real, physical Hell". Maybe it was all a delusion, that was brought thru some sort of truama thru the years- that just had manifested into some sort of psycotic moment, which really truely reflected the nature of their psycy. Maybe even they didn't really rationalize how self-centered they were, untill this event? Then again- maybe, they did have a (sort of) vision/experience from God? Point is - nobody can prove/disprove it! -charles

19ramman85 -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 4:55:19 PM)
And I also happened to think afterwards, that I really should have added this; There is also the hypothesis that at the moment of death, as in the cases of these - "Near-Death Experiences"- that what happens is; the flash of light - that is associated w/ these cases, is like a big light-bulb. In actuality- what they are really seeing is like a electrical impulse, which produces a (bright) light -because the brain has not recognized that the other parts of the body have died. And that what they are- "seeing", is just some sort of hallucination-type dream. -charles

TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 7:49:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: 19ramman85 It is possible, after all, even the American Psychiatric Association and American Psycological Association - agree that thes do happen. Whether they are real or just some sort of psycotic moment- no one can really tell. But as long as the benefits are towards the positive side - I don't believe you're going to get much out of the Psyc. field. TheBibleTruth ...... Lies! Those people didn't really go to hell. And you can prove this, right? God -himself, told you this, right? Maybe they didn't go to the - "real, physical Hell". Maybe it was all a delusion, that was brought thru some sort of truama thru the years- that just had manifested into some sort of psycotic moment, which really truely reflected the nature of their psycy. Maybe even they didn't really rationalize how self-centered they were, untill this event? Then again- maybe, they did have a (sort of) vision/experience from God? Point is - nobody can prove/disprove it! -charles I can absolutely prove it, the point is that people wouldn't listen so I'm not really going to bother. I don't really want to spend 2-3 hours writing a long message for people to just disregard it. Unless you show genuine interest and would actually read what I would write with an open mind, I'd rather spend that time doing something more profitable.

PrexicKehdaki -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 7:55:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheBibleTRUTH quote: ORIGINAL: 19ramman85 It is possible, after all, even the American Psychiatric Association and American Psycological Association - agree that thes do happen. Whether they are real or just some sort of psycotic moment- no one can really tell. But as long as the benefits are towards the positive side - I don't believe you're going to get much out of the Psyc. field. TheBibleTruth ...... Lies! Those people didn't really go to hell. And you can prove this, right? God -himself, told you this, right? Maybe they didn't go to the - "real, physical Hell". Maybe it was all a delusion, that was brought thru some sort of truama thru the years- that just had manifested into some sort of psycotic moment, which really truely reflected the nature of their psycy. Maybe even they didn't really rationalize how self-centered they were, untill this event? Then again- maybe, they did have a (sort of) vision/experience from God? Point is - nobody can prove/disprove it! -charles I can absolutely prove it, the point is that people wouldn't listen so I'm not really going to bother. I don't really want to spend 2-3 hours writing a long message for people to just disregard it. Unless you show genuine interest and would actually read what I would write with an open mind, I'd rather spend that time doing something more profitable. You can absolutely prove out of body experiences and their location in Hell or Heaven, with a long message? Really now..

SavedByGraceMD -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 8:01:19 PM)
I don't know if people who have near death experiences or die on the table, and are resuscitated, actually go to hell. But maybe they get a glimpse of what it will be like. Maybe that is how God is giving these people a last chance to wake up. I do know that my grandfather had an experience. He died on the table 3 times. He told my mother that he was in a cold place, and there was a lot of people sitting around judging him. It was so cold, and he could feel their judgments, and he was scared. My mother said she could see the fear in his eyes, and led him in prayer to accept Jesus as his Lord and savior, and confess his sin. Which he did, and he died smiling. So I do believe this can happen to someone, and that it is not beyond God to do something like this.

TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 8:05:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PrexicKehdaki quote: ORIGINAL: TheBibleTRUTH quote: ORIGINAL: 19ramman85 It is possible, after all, even the American Psychiatric Association and American Psycological Association - agree that thes do happen. Whether they are real or just some sort of psycotic moment- no one can really tell. But as long as the benefits are towards the positive side - I don't believe you're going to get much out of the Psyc. field. TheBibleTruth ...... Lies! Those people didn't really go to hell. And you can prove this, right? God -himself, told you this, right? Maybe they didn't go to the - "real, physical Hell". Maybe it was all a delusion, that was brought thru some sort of truama thru the years- that just had manifested into some sort of psycotic moment, which really truely reflected the nature of their psycy. Maybe even they didn't really rationalize how self-centered they were, untill this event? Then again- maybe, they did have a (sort of) vision/experience from God? Point is - nobody can prove/disprove it! -charles I can absolutely prove it, the point is that people wouldn't listen so I'm not really going to bother. I don't really want to spend 2-3 hours writing a long message for people to just disregard it. Unless you show genuine interest and would actually read what I would write with an open mind, I'd rather spend that time doing something more profitable. You can absolutely prove out of body experiences and their location in Hell or Heaven, with a long message? Really now.. I don't know what you are talking about, what I can prove is that these guys didn't go to hell, that if they did have these "visions" they were inspired from devil spirits to get people distracted and not looking at the truth of God's word. That I can easily prove with scriptures.

PrexicKehdaki -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 8:19:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheBibleTRUTH quote: ORIGINAL: PrexicKehdaki quote: ORIGINAL: TheBibleTRUTH quote: ORIGINAL: 19ramman85 It is possible, after all, even the American Psychiatric Association and American Psycological Association - agree that thes do happen. Whether they are real or just some sort of psycotic moment- no one can really tell. But as long as the benefits are towards the positive side - I don't believe you're going to get much out of the Psyc. field. TheBibleTruth ...... Lies! Those people didn't really go to hell. And you can prove this, right? God -himself, told you this, right? Maybe they didn't go to the - "real, physical Hell". Maybe it was all a delusion, that was brought thru some sort of truama thru the years- that just had manifested into some sort of psycotic moment, which really truely reflected the nature of their psycy. Maybe even they didn't really rationalize how self-centered they were, untill this event? Then again- maybe, they did have a (sort of) vision/experience from God? Point is - nobody can prove/disprove it! -charles I can absolutely prove it, the point is that people wouldn't listen so I'm not really going to bother. I don't really want to spend 2-3 hours writing a long message for people to just disregard it. Unless you show genuine interest and would actually read what I would write with an open mind, I'd rather spend that time doing something more profitable. You can absolutely prove out of body experiences and their location in Hell or Heaven, with a long message? Really now.. I don't know what you are talking about, what I can prove is that these guys didn't go to hell, that if they did have these "visions" they were inspired from devil spirits to get people distracted and not looking at the truth of God's word. That I can easily prove with scriptures. Trust me, I don't think they went to Hell either.. but you can't honestly say you can pro-- wait, nevermind.. the scriptures.[sm=icon_smile_disapprove.gif] I literally read the last part mid-way through typing.

DreadPirateRandy -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 8:26:49 PM)
"This maybe your only chance to go safely to hell..." That was a joke, right? ... right?

Lufia -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 10:11:12 PM)
So the devil is working against himself? It is only a small fraction of nde that are told in that video. There are millions of them and almost all of them come back transform for the better ( not mentioning they believe in God from that moment or it strengten their faith). It is devil's work?

HisFish -> RE: i cried on that video (7/15/2008 10:21:11 PM)
One problem i have is with this "so and so died on the table" type stories. Death is death, and the only thing that brings one out of death is resurrection. So when some one losses vital signs for a period of time, whatever you want to call it, dont call it death, because thats final.

SavedByGraceMD -> RE: i cried on that video (7/16/2008 12:20:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HisFish One problem i have is with this "so and so died on the table" type stories. Death is death, and the only thing that brings one out of death is resurrection. So when some one losses vital signs for a period of time, whatever you want to call it, dont call it death, because thats final. If you were referring to my story, I just repeated what the doctors said. When they said my grandfather did 3 times, I take them at their word.

TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: i cried on that video (7/16/2008 8:17:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lufia So the devil is working against himself? It is only a small fraction of nde that are told in that video. There are millions of them and almost all of them come back transform for the better ( not mentioning they believe in God from that moment or it strengten their faith). It is devil's work? Well, since the hell that we all know is a lie. I'd say that him showing people this, would be a true distraction from what the Bible actually shows / states about hell. It's something to get people fearful. And fear is the #1 tool of the devil to destroy our lives... And also getting people into a belief that is not on the Bible is one of the Devil's greatest tools to controlling us. So yea, getting people to believe in the hell that everyone talks about (fire / pitchforks / the devil tormenting us forever) is very bad and is not biblically accurate. The only manifestations of God for us right now are the 9 manifestations listed in I Corinthians 12. Anything else (such as slaying to the spirit, and dream visions) are of the devil. These people "died" or merely lost consciousness and had a dream vision about a fake hell. This isn't something that God inspired as per his scripture.

HisFish -> RE: i cried on that video (7/16/2008 8:29:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SavedByGraceMD quote: ORIGINAL: HisFish One problem i have is with this "so and so died on the table" type stories. Death is death, and the only thing that brings one out of death is resurrection. So when some one losses vital signs for a period of time, whatever you want to call it, dont call it death, because thats final. If you were referring to my story, I just repeated what the doctors said. When they said my grandfather did 3 times, I take them at their word. No, i wasn't refering to your story specificaly, i just dont believe that when a doctor says that someone "died" and then was revived, that they use correct terminology. It is appointed for a man to die once, and then judgement.

SavedByGraceMD -> RE: i cried on that video (7/16/2008 10:21:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HisFish quote: ORIGINAL: SavedByGraceMD quote: ORIGINAL: HisFish One problem i have is with this "so and so died on the table" type stories. Death is death, and the only thing that brings one out of death is resurrection. So when some one losses vital signs for a period of time, whatever you want to call it, dont call it death, because thats final. If you were referring to my story, I just repeated what the doctors said. When they said my grandfather did 3 times, I take them at their word. No, i wasn't refering to your story specificaly, i just dont believe that when a doctor says that someone "died" and then was revived, that they use correct terminology. It is appointed for a man to die once, and then judgement. I agree with you actually. The terminology and definition for death is not really understood. They mean of course that there were no vitals, and he had to be resuscitated. Of course I got the story wrong, it was actually 7 times that his heart stopped(just found that out), for some reason I thought it was 3. Must have mixed that up with something I had read.

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