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WormHeart -> The face of true evil (7/16/2008 9:00:26 AM)

We might disagree on a whole lot of issues on this site.

Homosexuality, immorality, false religion etc.

But this is the real deal - this ought to unite people across faiths.

This needs to be adressed.

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Every day, 10 new women and girls who have been raped show up at his hospital. Many have been so sadistically attacked from the inside out, butchered by bayonets and assaulted with chunks of wood, that their reproductive and digestive systems are beyond repair.


Rape Epidemic Raises Trauma of Congo War

[:@][:@][:(]

WormHeart



cow451 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 9:50:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WormHeart

We might disagree on a whole lot of issues on this site.

Homosexuality, immorality, false religion etc.

But this is the real deal - this ought to unite people across faiths.

This needs to be adressed.

quote:

Every day, 10 new women and girls who have been raped show up at his hospital. Many have been so sadistically attacked from the inside out, butchered by bayonets and assaulted with chunks of wood, that their reproductive and digestive systems are beyond repair.


Rape Epidemic Raises Trauma of Congo War

[:@][:@][:(]

WormHeart

This is horrific on an unimaginable scale. Saddam's Iraq was nowhere near as bad-- and Iraq was bad.



mapachito13 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 10:59:40 AM)

The janjaweed militias in Sudan are also using rape as a weapon of war sometimes making parents watch their daughters being assaulted by sometimes up to 15 men. The ICC just indicted the President of Sudan on war crimes for this and genocide. But since there is no oil in these countries, western nations condemn it "in the strongest of terms" but don't do anything concrete to stop these atrocities even though the victims number in the MILLIONS.



WesP -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 11:49:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13

The janjaweed militias in Sudan are also using rape as a weapon of war sometimes making parents watch their daughters being assaulted by sometimes up to 15 men. The ICC just indicted the President of Sudan on war crimes for this and genocide. But since there is no oil in these countries, western nations condemn it "in the strongest of terms" but don't do anything concrete to stop these atrocities even though the victims number in the MILLIONS.


You are absolutely right. We have never entered a country that was not an oil producer. [8|]



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 12:57:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WormHeart

We might disagree on a whole lot of issues on this site.

Homosexuality, immorality, false religion etc.

But this is the real deal - this ought to unite people across faiths.

This needs to be adressed.

quote:

Every day, 10 new women and girls who have been raped show up at his hospital. Many have been so sadistically attacked from the inside out, butchered by bayonets and assaulted with chunks of wood, that their reproductive and digestive systems are beyond repair.


Rape Epidemic Raises Trauma of Congo War

[:@][:@][:(]

WormHeart

This is atrocious. The only thing more atrocious, is our Government standing by, watching it happen. It is sad to hear about, and sadder that we only step in when there is something to gain.



cow451 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 1:01:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SavedByGraceMD

quote:

ORIGINAL: WormHeart

We might disagree on a whole lot of issues on this site.

Homosexuality, immorality, false religion etc.

But this is the real deal - this ought to unite people across faiths.

This needs to be adressed.

quote:

Every day, 10 new women and girls who have been raped show up at his hospital. Many have been so sadistically attacked from the inside out, butchered by bayonets and assaulted with chunks of wood, that their reproductive and digestive systems are beyond repair.


Rape Epidemic Raises Trauma of Congo War

[:@][:@][:(]

WormHeart

This is atrocious. The only thing more atrocious, is our Government standing by, watching it happen. It is sad to hear about, and sadder that we only step in when there is something to gain.

It requires a truly multi-national effort. Hopefully the next Pres. will have the diplomatic and foreign polcy skills and staff to pull something together.



uncabeeil -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 1:13:15 PM)

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but don't do anything concrete to stop these atrocities even though the victims number in the MILLIONS.


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The only thing more atrocious, is our Government standing by, watching it happen.


Serious questions, not just posting them to elicit a response:
What do you suggest should be done? Short of sending an invasion force.
And what about the rest of the world that is also "standing by watching it happen"?



mapachito13 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 1:50:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

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but don't do anything concrete to stop these atrocities even though the victims number in the MILLIONS.


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The only thing more atrocious, is our Government standing by, watching it happen.


Serious questions, not just posting them to elicit a response:
What do you suggest should be done? Short of sending an invasion force.
And what about the rest of the world that is also "standing by watching it happen"?


Fair question! I think the types of steps that need to be taken are a drastic economic boycott like the type that caused South Africa to rescind apartheid. No troops were needed there. But unfortunately other countries (including the west) will do business with those countries if there is a buck to be made.

If the banks froze the assets of these countries these guys would find their collective heads on a stick since their thugs, ahem, loyal troops like to be paid.

The African Union also needs to get a backbone in dealing with these issues. Or maybe we should just call them the African Disunion!

I guess that one drawback I foresee is the fact that our human race won't ever come together for the common good of anyone and that governments have come to view humans like a professor high on Global Warming - as extremely expendable! [:'(]



todd_t -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 5:24:41 PM)

There's sadly no question that this sort of brutality has been going on in Africa for a very long time. Too bad most of the world is content to let it all happen.

A friend of mine grew up in Uganda, and tells of having to duck para-military gangs who would raid her village on a regular basis.



tapestry -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 5:53:21 PM)

That story made me want to go and throw up. That is beyond horror. Africa is going through so many horrors, FGM, famine, HIV, wars. A friend of mine is there doing missionary work with her husband. They live in an inclosed area that is guarded night and day. (not actually in the Congo, but near by)
We are so blessed to live where we do and need to lift these people up in prayer daily.



cog41 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 7:27:08 PM)

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It requires a truly multi-national effort. Hopefully the next Pres. will have the diplomatic and foreign polcy skills and staff to pull something together.



Do you have someone in mind?

Something must be done,but not by our troops.



Lizahana -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 7:42:03 PM)

This is horribly evil - I didn't realize how bad it is in so many places in Africa - thanks for posting WormHeart.

It's hard to know which sites to trust with donations, but I wouldn't think CNN would risk posting bad organizations.

"Congo rape victims -- how to help
After watching Jeff Koinange's story on air or reading his personal take here, many of you are probably wondering how you can help. Here are two organizations working in Congo:

The Swedish Pentecostal Mission -- PMU
Contact person: Marie Walterzon
Tel in Congo (243)-81-318-6246

TEARFUND -- A British NGO
Contact person: Tilly Leuring
Tel in Congo: (243)-997-089-850
Posted By "360" Producers: 11:49 AM ET"

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/05/congo-rape-victims-how-to-help.html

Peace and God bless,



backrowbaptist -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 8:11:55 PM)

quote:

We might disagree on a whole lot of issues on this site.

Homosexuality, immorality, false religion etc.

But this is the real deal - this ought to unite people across faiths.

This needs to be adressed.


quote:

quote:

Every day, 10 new women and girls who have been raped show up at his hospital. Many have been so sadistically attacked from the inside out, butchered by bayonets and assaulted with chunks of wood, that their reproductive and digestive systems are beyond repair.

That's Africa. The Rwandan butchers didn't just dissappear. They had to go somewhere, and now they're back. Like the article said, they're beasts. Sounds like the U.N. is trying to address it, but, being the U.N., not effectively.
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This is atrocious. The only thing more atrocious, is our Government standing by, watching it happen. It is sad to hear about, and sadder that we only step in when there is something to gain.


quote:

You are absolutely right. We have never entered a country that was not an oil producer.

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It requires a truly multi-national effort. Hopefully the next Pres. will have the diplomatic and foreign polcy skills and staff to pull something together.

Well, nice try Wormheart. I guess you can't start a neutral thread on something we all agree on without some folks taking the opportunity to dump on the U.S. and George Bush. Pathetic.



colliefan -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 8:16:16 PM)

And what is the UN doing about the problem? Just what they did in Rwanda: absolutely nothing! Useless organization.



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 9:01:47 PM)

colliefan,
I tend to agree with your view. If there is any diplomatic, economical, governmental, or political body of people in position to do anything about the things that are going on in Africa, it is the UN. However, the UN has repeatedly failed to live up to its charter, its reason for existence.

I have no idea why this may be the case. Maybe it is the fact that they know that they have no real "desire" or effectively/ forceful (militaristic) way of addressing the situation.

Maybe they fail to do anything because of what someone hinted at. Though Africa is a large continent, to date, there does not seem to be much of anything in Africa that the rest of the world really needs or wants. If there was the conditions if Africa would most likely draw far more attention.



SovereignIsHe -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 9:13:41 PM)

Has anyone tried to ask them nicely?

I believe it's a heart issue so there is nothing we can really do about it...[8|]

John



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 9:15:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe

Has anyone tried to ask them nicely?

I believe it's a heart issue so there is nothing we can really do about it...[8|]

John

I hope you are only trying to add a touch of humor. There is always somethuing that can be, and should be done.



PaleHawkWoman -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 10:05:29 PM)

Our government probably would do nothing more than send a letter requesting that this violence against women stop. However, the church is not limited to placing its interests only where we can get oil from. Christians can mobilize and get things started to change the society of the Congo. And we can certainly all donate funds to make improvements for education, medical care, and business opportunities for people so that they aren't killing each other over scarce resources. There are christian missions which do this work, but they need more help than they are getting.



galadriel2 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 10:40:51 PM)

Its very evil, Wormheart, what some people do.

Blessings,
Galadriel2



lightshineon -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 10:47:05 PM)

Appuling. Pray everyone, because prayer changes things, where we do not have the power to change things, our God does. Pray for these victims, and their tormentors to change their hearts. Pray for knowledge of what we can do as a nation, and as the church, and as individuals. I will start tonight.



SavedByGraceMD -> RE: The face of true evil (7/16/2008 10:56:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist

quote:

We might disagree on a whole lot of issues on this site.

Homosexuality, immorality, false religion etc.

But this is the real deal - this ought to unite people across faiths.

This needs to be adressed.


quote:

quote:

Every day, 10 new women and girls who have been raped show up at his hospital. Many have been so sadistically attacked from the inside out, butchered by bayonets and assaulted with chunks of wood, that their reproductive and digestive systems are beyond repair.

That's Africa. The Rwandan butchers didn't just dissappear. They had to go somewhere, and now they're back. Like the article said, they're beasts. Sounds like the U.N. is trying to address it, but, being the U.N., not effectively.

quote:

This is atrocious. The only thing more atrocious, is our Government standing by, watching it happen. It is sad to hear about, and sadder that we only step in when there is something to gain.


quote:

You are absolutely right. We have never entered a country that was not an oil producer.

quote:

It requires a truly multi-national effort. Hopefully the next Pres. will have the diplomatic and foreign polcy skills and staff to pull something together.

quote:

ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist
Well, nice try Wormheart. I guess you can't start a neutral thread on something we all agree on without some folks taking the opportunity to dump on the U.S. and George Bush. Pathetic.

Well actually I wasn't dumping on Bush. He is just the head bozo in charge. When I said Government, I mean the whole Government, Congress, The Senate, Democrats, Republicans and Bush. But by no means, lets give him a pass since he has watched it happen for 8 years.

Normally I don't blame him for anything. We the people are to blame for most of our own problems. But in this issue, I will blame him.



WormHeart -> RE: The face of true evil (7/17/2008 3:13:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
Fair question! I think the types of steps that need to be taken are a drastic economic boycott like the type that caused South Africa to rescind apartheid. No troops were needed there. But unfortunately other countries (including the west) will do business with those countries if there is a buck to be made.

If the banks froze the assets of these countries these guys would find their collective heads on a stick since their thugs, ahem, loyal troops like to be paid.



Unfortunately, that will only help with the government troops. The Mai-Mai, Rastas and other militias are not depending on government pay. They live of the local population.

A friend of mine travelled in the area and had contact with the Mai-Mai (part of a research project). What he old me is the stuff of nightmares.

The reasons for this is much, much more complex than money or cruelty.

I have no solutions - but I cannot phantom that we - the world - can stand by and watch Africa bleed like this.

WormHeart



blue1914 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/17/2008 4:35:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WormHeart

The reasons for this is much, much more complex than money or cruelty.

I have no solutions - but I cannot phantom that we - the world - can stand by and watch Africa bleed like this.

WormHeart


That said Wormheart, what do you think some of the reasons for this are?



SonInMe1 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/17/2008 8:09:16 AM)

How many rapes occur in the USA?

Maybe the UN should investigate.



mapachito13 -> RE: The face of true evil (7/17/2008 8:14:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WormHeart

quote:

ORIGINAL: mapachito13
Fair question! I think the types of steps that need to be taken are a drastic economic boycott like the type that caused South Africa to rescind apartheid. No troops were needed there. But unfortunately other countries (including the west) will do business with those countries if there is a buck to be made.

If the banks froze the assets of these countries these guys would find their collective heads on a stick since their thugs, ahem, loyal troops like to be paid.



Unfortunately, that will only help with the government troops. The Mai-Mai, Rastas and other militias are not depending on government pay. They live of the local population.

A friend of mine travelled in the area and had contact with the Mai-Mai (part of a research project). What he old me is the stuff of nightmares.

The reasons for this is much, much more complex than money or cruelty.

I have no solutions - but I cannot phantom that we - the world - can stand by and watch Africa bleed like this.

WormHeart


Denmark can take the lead in that one since they are not overextending themselves in Iraq and Afghanistan. Send in the Vikings! [sm=vikingsmile.gif]



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