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Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 8:15:09 PM
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jennycnails
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Of course we wouldn't. Why would God make a non believer burn for eternity? I was thinking about that today and it hit me. I wouldn't send my kids to hell for any reason. Why would God do this? He is love. Maybe he just said that in the bible so we would live a good life for him. What about all the thousands of non believers who have died, seen the light, felt the peace and love and were met by loved ones that had passed away?
Hell just sucks! only the most evil should go there. I truly believe there's a hell but I hate that the nice cute little old lady down the street is going to burn because shes a non believer or was taught from a early age about a different God or religion
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 8:20:42 PM
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Of course we wouldn't. Why would God make a non believer burn for eternity? I was thinking about that today and it hit me. I wouldn't send my kids to hell for any reason.
Neither would I.
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Why would God do this? He is love. Maybe he just said that in the bible so we would live a good life for him.
He's also just and He does not force us to accept Him or His love or heaven.
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What about all the thousands of non believers who have died, seen the light, felt the peace and love and were met by loved ones that had passed away?
I've never met a person who really died.
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Hell just sucks! only the most evil should go there. I truly believe there's a hell but I hate that the nice cute little old lady down the street is going to burn because shes a non believer or was taught from a early age about a different God or religion
How do you get into Heaven by being nice or cute?
None of us are good enough to get there on our own.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 8:24:33 PM
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Of course we wouldn't. Why would God make a non believer burn for eternity? I was thinking about that today and it hit me. I wouldn't send my kids to hell for any reason. Why would God do this? He is love. Maybe he just said that in the bible so we would live a good life for him. What about all the thousands of non believers who have died, seen the light, felt the peace and love and were met by loved ones that had passed away?
Hell just sucks! only the most evil should go there. I truly believe there's a hell but I hate that the nice cute little old lady down the street is going to burn because shes a non believer or was taught from a early age about a different God or religion
You say 'only the most evil should go there' - where would you draw the cutoff point?
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 8:35:43 PM
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God doesn't send anyone to hell.
If you had a child that you loved completely and unreservedly and you offered him $1,000,000 and he chose to walk away from it, does that change your love for him? Does that change your desire to give him the $1,000,000? You can't force him to take it. You can provide him with every opportunity to take it but if he chooses to live in squalor and not accept your most generous gift, you can't force him to.
Did YOU send him to live in squalor?
God provides all mankind the opportunity to go to heaven. He paid the price and continues to offer it freely. But He loves us too much to force us into receiving it. He wants us to choose it.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 8:44:30 PM
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I agree with what the others have said. God does not want anyone to go to hell. John 3:16 tells of his wishes. "For God so Lovef the world he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life." God gave his own son as a ultimate sacrifice so we would not have to go to hell. However he gave us a free will to pick the path we would follow. If anyone goes to hell, and many will, it is their own choice not God's.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 8:52:12 PM
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I also agree with ALL the posters so far.
It's like a parent of a convicted felon ... and the parent happens to be both the judge ... and the lawyer defending the one who has been found guilty ... the parent offers to take the punishment for the him/her ... but he/she must accept the gift or reject it. If he or she says, "no, I think I can get through it my way," well, he/she goes to prison.
So God the Father is not sending any of His children to hell ... He gives each an opportunity to be accept His gift of taking the punishment for that child ... but if the child refuses, it is that child's choice to refuse.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 11:40:49 PM
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I don't know what Bible you read out of. But God gives us a choice in what we choose. He's knocking at your heart, wanting to come in. All human beings are evil. I'm evil. We're all bad people. But since Jesus died on the cross for us, he offers us His life so that we can spend eternity with him. It is up to us now to accept that love and to bring him in our lives.
I believe that God doesn't send babies to hell. Or little children. It doesn't say it in the Bible, but it's just an opinion.
But how are you not evil? Have you kept ALL the commandments? The ten commandments? If you haven't, you are evil. I don't like that word...I like "sinner". We are ALL sinners. We are ALL destined to go to hell. But like I said, Jesus died for us. But its up to US to take that love.
And of course, we don't want any kids to go to hell. I'm not a parent yet, but if I was, I wouldn't want my children to go to hell. But don't pretend it's not there. Don't pretend no one's going to go there. Because matter of fact, people ARE. Many people are going to hell, just as many people are going to go to heaven. But only Christians will go to heaven. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me." We can only get to heaven if we have Jesus in our lives.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 11:48:10 PM
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Of course we wouldn't. Why would God make a non believer burn for eternity?
God would not sent anyone to hell. Actually God does not send anyone to hell. He gave His Son so that nobody would have to go. If we're truly that concerned with the fate of those that never hear the truth, what are we doing to share that truth with them?
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 11:54:26 PM
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From the way I understand it ............ if there is anyone to blame for one being sent to HELL ........... it will be that person - God only gives us the choice- "WE" made in regards to either or.
God is not the blame,
Satan is not the blame,
And nobody else ........
But ....... YOU
Clear enough?
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/17/2008 11:56:27 PM
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From the way I understand it ............ if there is anyone to blame for one being sent to HELL ........... it will be that person - God only gives us the choice- "WE" made in regards to either or.
God is not the blame,
Satan is not the blame,
And nobody else ........
But ....... YOU
Clear enough?
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I agree to a point. While nobody else can blame me for them not making the decision to become a Christian, I should hold myself accountable if I don't share the gospel. And we as Christians should be accountable when we don't share that good news.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 1:16:11 AM
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Of course we wouldn't. Why would God make a non believer burn for eternity? I was thinking about that today and it hit me. I wouldn't send my kids to hell for any reason. Why would God do this? He is love. Maybe he just said that in the bible so we would live a good life for him. What about all the thousands of non believers who have died, seen the light, felt the peace and love and were met by loved ones that had passed away?
Hell just sucks! only the most evil should go there. I truly believe there's a hell but I hate that the nice cute little old lady down the street is going to burn because shes a non believer or was taught from a early age about a different God or religion
It really makes me wonder why the highligted part is the only part of Gods aspects anyone ever wants to attribute to God. It is stated in the bible only twice in one little epistle of John and yet it is the only thing most will quote out of the Bible. It amazes me. The word used in Hebrew which we translate as God over a thousand times says clearly that God is judges not love JUDGEs. The entirety of the Bible speaks of God being Just yet everybody just remembers the two times it says God is Love in one letter.
Your statement is also wrong in not all are His children read it those who believe in Jesus are given right to become His children by adoption so we are not all His children. Premise is wrong. God has every right as Soveriegn to decide who will spend eternity with Him. So if He decides that a person that has no desire to spend time with Him in this life should not have to spend eternity with Him He is just and right and loving.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 9:26:39 AM
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Of course I wouldn't send my children to hell. I wouldn't send them to a strip club either and would teach them not to go to places like that, BUT I also couldn't keep them from going there if they just insisted on rebelling against the training I gave them.
I wouldn't give them a rattlesnake to play with either. I'd also teach them to stay away from snakes and warn them what would happen if they played with rattlesnakes. That doesn't mean they won't find one and play with it and be willing to take that chance just to satisfy their own wants.
We are God's children and He loves us very much. He has given us all the instruction He possibly can. It is up to us whether to heed His instruction, or to follow after things that glitter and look good, even when we KNOW those things are wrong. God doesn't send ANYONE to hell. But He also won't FORCE someone to obey Him if they don't want to. Thus we CAN send OURSELVES to hell through our disobedience. God loved us so much that even when He seen we were disobedient and chose sin, He gave His only begotten son to die for our sins and give us redemption after we failed. What more can He do? You can love your children with all your heart, even give your life to spare them from destruction, but ultimately the decision is theirs whether or not they are going to heed your instruction and be spared.
If I go to hell, it is not God's fault. He has made every effort to keep me from going there. If I end up there, I have no one to blame but myself, and my own disobedience. I would hope I'm smart enough to stay on the straight and narrow path to heaven, but ultimately no one will make that choice for me except ME. We can't reason it away with pretty thoughts of "well, God wouldn't let me go to hell". We are accountable for our own actions and for everything we do, there is a reward. Good or Bad.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 9:29:51 AM
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Who said the various denominations could not come together and agree on something. I think we are all in agreement on this.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 9:32:02 AM
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sinners who DO go to hell................ are not God's children.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 10:05:50 AM
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sinners who DO go to hell................ are not God's children.
Excellent point IMA.
When we believe in Christ; then and only then are we adopted into the family of God.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 10:08:47 AM
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sinners who DO go to hell................ are not God's children.
Excellent point IMA.
When we believe in Christ; then and only then are we adopted into the family of God.
Thanks
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Exactly. But I do have to restate my earlier question. This is to those that get so upset at the concept of God "sending people to hell"... What are we doing (not only as a church, but individually) to share the gospel with people? If we're not sharing the gospel with people that we believe are not saved, that's the equivalent of watching a drowning person and not doing anything to save them IMO...
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 10:46:35 AM
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sinners who DO go to hell................ are not God's children.
Excellent point IMA.
When we believe in Christ; then and only then are we adopted into the family of God.
Thanks
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Exactly. But I do have to restate my earlier question. This is to those that get so upset at the concept of God "sending people to hell"... What are we doing (not only as a church, but individually) to share the gospel with people? If we're not sharing the gospel with people that we believe are not saved, that's the equivalent of watching a drowning person and not doing anything to save them IMO...
I wholeheartedly agree! That's exactly why Christ commanded us to go into all the world and preach the gospel of Christ to others. We have forgotten the great commission to day, at least in a large part and have somewhat totally written off those who are not Christians as those God can't save them anyway. Shame on us! Who have WE sent to hell by not sharing the hope of salvations message with them?
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 1:49:09 PM
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sinners who DO go to hell................ are not God's children.
Excellent point IMA.
When we believe in Christ; then and only then are we adopted into the family of God.
Thanks
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Exactly. But I do have to restate my earlier question. This is to those that get so upset at the concept of God "sending people to hell"... What are we doing (not only as a church, but individually) to share the gospel with people? If we're not sharing the gospel with people that we believe are not saved, that's the equivalent of watching a drowning person and not doing anything to save them IMO...
TO THOSE PEOPLE I SAY "if you have heard the gospel YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE!" if a sinner wants to not to go hell, then get saved! ((i know I'm not totally being doctrinnally correct, I know that God has to call you first, but still, dont complain about God if He is offering the person salvation))
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 1:52:12 PM
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I think you missed my point...
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 2:12:12 PM
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...Why would God make a non believer burn for eternity? ....
God is not in hell, He is in heaven. All those who will go to hell will be there because they do no want to be with God. God is not sending them, they are making the choice.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 3:41:20 PM
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Of course we wouldn't. Why would God make a non believer burn for eternity?
Only those in Jesus are His children. We're (all humans) all His creation, but we're not all His children.
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I was thinking about that today and it hit me. I wouldn't send my kids to hell for any reason. Why would God do this? He is love.
Christ preached love, yet He did not validate tolerance of sinful behavior. Love denotes not only compassion and understanding, but discipline and mercy (Proverbs 13:24).
Our society tends to grab hold of the God depicted in "Jesus Loves Me" and want to sweep the God of Justice under the rug because frankly, He's no longer en vogue.
A judge that would do nothing to a sexual predator fully guilty of all his crimes would not be a just and good judge, correct? Then why do you expect sin to go unpunished and unaccounted for?
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Maybe he just said that in the bible so we would live a good life for him.
No such thing as a "good" life. We're all wretched sinners worthy of His wrath. All of our good works are like filthy rags unto Him.
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What about all the thousands of non believers who have died, seen the light, felt the peace and love and were met by loved ones that had passed away?
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).
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Hell just sucks! only the most evil should go there.
How do you determine who the "most evil" are? God says we are all worthy of eternal separation from Him.
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I truly believe there's a hell but I hate that the nice cute little old lady down the street is going to burn because shes a non believer or was taught from a early age about a different God or religion
We don't know people's hearts and outward looks can be utterly deceiving. For all intents and purposes we would have looked at Judas and said he was a born-again believer, part of Jesus' inner circle. But Jesus said otherwise.
I recommend you get into the Word and get the Word into you. Your questions are good, but are soaked in modern day humanism.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 3:43:26 PM
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It really makes me wonder why the highligted part is the only part of Gods aspects anyone ever wants to attribute to God. It is stated in the bible only twice in one little epistle of John and yet it is the only thing most will quote out of the Bible. It amazes me. The word used in Hebrew which we translate as God over a thousand times says clearly that God is judges not love JUDGEs. The entirety of the Bible speaks of God being Just yet everybody just remembers the two times it says God is Love in one letter.
Your statement is also wrong in not all are His children read it those who believe in Jesus are given right to become His children by adoption so we are not all His children. Premise is wrong. God has every right as Soveriegn to decide who will spend eternity with Him. So if He decides that a person that has no desire to spend time with Him in this life should not have to spend eternity with Him He is just and right and loving.
Your post reminded me of THIS
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 4:44:50 PM
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Take a look at the website I included in my signature. It explains what you are asking.
The important thing to remember is that if you are not a Christian you are not a child of God, but rather a child of the devil. (Or a child or wrath) Only those who repent of their sins and put their trust in Jesus Christ as their savior are considered Children of God ... and no ... he wouldn't send you to hell in that case.
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RE: Would you send your children to hell? - 7/18/2008 4:49:49 PM
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Who are the non-sinners who go to hell? If God sent non-sinners to hell, we might have something to gripe about.
Unless a person has faith in Christ, he is without payment for his sins.
James 2
10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
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