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RE: Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science - 8/7/2008 4:58:13 PM
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drmark
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If it is a lie then show me a modern human that has DNA which matches neanderthal DNA. If it is a lie then explain why the hominid fossils in the picture above are not transitional I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of "worldview", Method. Perhaps we can discuss this when you're more fully informed.
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And what do you think my worldview is? Your worldview is atheistic uniformitarian naturalism. This is solely what you base your interpretations of evidence on to make your conclusions. The Bible firmly invalidates this worldview. There are no scientific contradictions in Scripture; there are many invalid worldviews that contradict Scripture.
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RE: Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science - 8/7/2008 6:40:55 PM
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Well, then, we only go in circles until we look at specific evidence from both worldviews. Specific evidence does NOT come from worldviews! Specific interpretations of evidence come from worldviews.
OK, on re-reading my sentence I can see how you got the impression you did, but I agree, specific evidence does not come from worldviews. What I meant was that we would have to look at specific evidence in light of different worldviews to see if both could adequately interpret it.
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None, that I know of. I believe God, in his wisdom, governs the ordinary operations of nature providentially, not miraculously. Biodiversity is a consequence of such ordinary providence. So you refuse to acknowledge that you are truly a naturalist. More going-in-circles, I see!
Not refusing anything. AFAIK, no naturalist believes in divine providence. I do.
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What evidence would that be? The only inerrant, authoritative Eyewitness account of origins in existence. But obviously your worldview does not acknowledge that evidence either! So, I really cannot waste any more circle time with you, gluadys. Enjoy your worldview.
That is not empirical evidence. And I for one do not agree that it is even eye-witness testimony. I believe it is a divinely-inspired account of creation written in a form conducive to conveying certain theological information to the people of Judah in the face of competing paganisms and that God did not intend for us to read as if it were an article in a scientific journal. We should read it as if we were people in ancient Judah tempted to adopt the religions of Canaan, Egypt or Babylon--with their questions in mind, not modern ones prompted by modern scientific discoveries.
I believe God left his empirical evidence in his creation.
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RE: Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science - 8/8/2008 10:59:27 AM
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If it is a lie then show me a modern human that has DNA which matches neanderthal DNA. If it is a lie then explain why the hominid fossils in the picture above are not transitional I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of "worldview", Method. Perhaps we can discuss this when you're more fully informed.
Just want to make sure you are not ignoring the evidence.
According to your worldview, if humans and chimps shared a common ancestor what types of fossils should we see in the fossil record? Why do these fossils not qualify? Why are DNA comparisons incapable of determining whether or not Neanderthals were a separate human species? Show us how your worldview approaches the evidence.
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Your worldview is atheistic uniformitarian naturalism.
Nope, it's not. My worldview is rational objectivism. My atheism and acceptance of uniform laws are conclusions drawn from this worldview.
I also suspect that your worldview incorporates uniformitarian naturalism as well. Do you expect the boiling point of water to change by 100 degrees from day to day? Do you expect the metal of your car to turn to mush while going down the freeway? Do you tie yourself to your bed every night just in case gravity suddenly becomes a repulsive force? You don't expect any of these things, do you? This is because uniformitarian naturalism is part of your worldview as well. The difference between you and me is that I don't abandon this obvious truth when it conflicts with my beliefs.
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This is solely what you base your interpretations of evidence on to make your conclusions.
So do you every second of every day. You plan every movement and decision on uniformitarian naturalism when it comes to the physical reality around you.
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The Bible firmly invalidates this worldview.
Who cares. Does the evidence invalidate this worldview? Nope.
I guess that is the difference in our worldviews. You look at the world as bible first, evidence second. I look at the world evidence first, conclusions second.
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There are no scientific contradictions in Scripture;
What evidence, if found, would contradict scripture?
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RE: Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science - 8/9/2008 8:33:23 AM
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What evidence, if found, would contradict scripture? For the hundredth time, show me just a single example of one kind of organism descending into a more complex different kind of organism. Very simple contradiction to Scripture, Method! It's never occurred!
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RE: Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science - 8/9/2008 8:56:27 AM
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What evidence, if found, would contradict scripture? For the hundredth time, show me just a single example of one kind of organism descending into a more complex different kind of organism. Very simple contradiction to Scripture, Method! It's never occurred!
Define "different kind". You know Darwin proposed "descent with modification". That is what we constantly find. If you discount modification as not producing a "different kind" then you are asking as evidence for evolution something the theory does not and never has predicted. You are asking evidence for your strawman, not for actual evolution.
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RE: Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science - 8/9/2008 11:17:22 AM
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What evidence, if found, would contradict scripture? For the hundredth time, show me just a single example of one kind of organism descending into a more complex different kind of organism. Very simple contradiction to Scripture, Method! It's never occurred!
We have plenty of examples of speciation, inside labs and outside. You generally discount them because... why? The organisms don't look different enough to you? What criteria are you using. Clear examples of macro-evolution have been demonstrated and observed. What do most creationists seem to do when presented with this evidence? Change the criteria (ie move the goal posts). "Fruit flies stay fruit flies, a monkey never gave birth to a human!" etc etc. Can macro evolution happen or not?
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RE: Childhood Origins of Adult Resistance to Science - 8/9/2008 12:48:30 PM
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