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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/6/2008 2:39:32 PM
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bgwill3
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Seems to me that the word "mansion" has evolved to mean "an elaborate home" while historically it simply referred to a "home" or "dwelling place." So I don't find a problem with using the word. Like many words, its usage has evolved over time, so that it connotes something different today than was connoted in the sixteenth or seventeenth centuries (when Bibles began to be printed in English).
After all, the "Holy Ghost" is not really a "ghost" in the most modern sense of the word ("an apparition of a dead person, or, more specifically, an apparition of the disembodied spirit of a dead person who was once alive"). Apparently the King James translators applied the term "Holy Ghost" wherever they found "pneumatos hagios" (in all its inflections) but where "pneumatos" or "pneuma" was found without "hagios", it was translated "Spirit", not "Ghost". "Spirit" can mean "ghost" in our modern use of the word, but "ghost" is not a general word for "spirit".
So I can understand that, over the course of time, the word "mansion" has evolved from a general term for a dwelling place, into a more specific term connoting the opulence, or ornateness, or size, or state of the dwelling place (specifically, that our modern idea of a "mansion" doesn't lend itself easily to the conception that one "house" can contain many "mansions").
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/6/2008 3:21:36 PM
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BTW,I know the concordence is not inspired scripture.Neither is any commentaries or any other helps.However thy are done by people who have spent many yrs in Bible colleges and have studdied for many hrs and yrs in Greek,Hebrew and what have you,and gone back to the original scripts to help us to understand the Bible.This is why I use them.Just like you sought help from your father- in -law.Just my dad was probably wrong in some area,so could your father-in -law be wrong.
There are other scholars with equal backgrounds but with very different views. That's why I like to know something about the general beliefs of a commentator before relying much on his opinions. (And I don't agree 100% with my father-in-law.)
By the way, there's never been an English Bible scholar with access to the original manuscripts. They only had copies to work with - some were translation of translations. Some copies in the original languages were older than others - which is why certain older versions like KJV are not as accurate in places as those that were based on older manscripts discovered in more recent centuries and decades.
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/6/2008 4:24:19 PM
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We will be with Him and that will be wonderful---beyond our imagining.
It could be mansion and we His princess bride. 
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/7/2008 9:28:53 AM
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yustme
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ORIGINAL: yustme
BTW,I know the concordence is not inspired scripture.Neither is any commentaries or any other helps.However thy are done by people who have spent many yrs in Bible colleges and have studdied for many hrs and yrs in Greek,Hebrew and what have you,and gone back to the original scripts to help us to understand the Bible.This is why I use them.Just like you sought help from your father- in -law.Just my dad was probably wrong in some area,so could your father-in -law be wrong.
There are other scholars with equal backgrounds but with very different views. That's why I like to know something about the general beliefs of a commentator before relying much on his opinions. (And I don't agree 100% with my father-in-law.)
By the way, there's never been an English Bible scholar with access to the original manuscripts. They only had copies to work with - some were translation of translations. Some copies in the original languages were older than others - which is why certain older versions like KJV are not as accurate in places as those that were based on older manscripts discovered in more recent centuries and decades.
Thank you for your response.I do agree with your post and enjoy them and appreciate your kindness in them.Your not smart mouthed and your rather easy to talk to.Even at 64 I'm still learning. 
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/7/2008 9:58:26 AM
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Row1
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http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jewish_marriage_customs.htm
I think it was through a crosswalk post a couple yrs ago that i was lead to this webpage concerning this scripture.
this explanation is just awesome. I don't know if it is correct - but like someone else said: i am not really worried about the issue of what the translation is, but i am comforted either way.
at least this guy provides the references for his portrayal of marriage customs at the time that Jesus said this.
it helps us understand at least one meaning of the phrase, 'i go to prepare a place for you.'
BTW: one of my childhood memories is a friend's mom's well-intentioned efforts to 'save' me and a few other kids by telling us that if we accept Jesus, then after death we will get to live in a mansion made of any jewel we wanted. First, that sounded foolish, like very simplistic to me. Second, why would a grade-school kid want to live in a house of emeralds? maybe a house made of cookies, or baseball cards.
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/7/2008 4:48:43 PM
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JimboFletch asked: "Many mansions, many rooms, or what and why?"
I know precisely why:
So that He can keep us all separate and He can have some peace and quiet without our incessant arguing.
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/8/2008 11:10:04 AM
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JimboFletch asked: "Many mansions, many rooms, or what and why?"
I know precisely why:
So that He can keep us all separate and He can have some peace and quiet without our incessant arguing.
I agree!!
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/8/2008 12:46:23 PM
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Furthermore, every room will be fitted with a PC linked to a Forum where we can sit and debate for ever and ever on any subject we wish, without disturbing Him.
Read about it in Revelation Chapter - 23, Verse - Heaven Thread, Post No. 7.
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/9/2008 11:40:49 PM
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Many mansions, many rooms, or what and why?
Reference John 14:2
We'll all find out in time, and beyond that I really don't care.
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/11/2008 5:23:37 PM
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or a yurt.
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/11/2008 5:56:12 PM
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Mr. Fribbles post seems very accurate. Also remember the Temple is refered to as the "house of the Lord" this very well could be referring to the heavenly Temple???
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/12/2008 9:46:54 AM
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I'm reminded of the scripture where Jesus said he was in the Father and the Father was in Him.
JOH 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions (Gr. mone): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
JOH 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode (Gr. mone) with him.
If we allow scripture to define scripture I think the concept of Christ in us and us in Christ is something to think about too.
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RE: In my Father's house are... - 8/12/2008 2:10:46 PM
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TJO5
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I'm reminded of the scripture where Jesus said he was in the Father and the Father was in Him.
JOH 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions (Gr. mone): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
JOH 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode (Gr. mone) with him.
If we allow scripture to define scripture I think the concept of Christ in us and us in Christ is something to think about too.
DR
An interesting thought. Since the only two references to the Greek mone in the entire N.T. (a check of LXX showed no instances of mone either) are the two that appear here there is a great possibility that they are tied together.
When we check the lexical definitions for the words "house" and "mansions" there is alot of room for other interpretations .
New Testament Greek for ' house '
3614 oikia {oy-kee'-ah}
from 3624; TDNT - 5:131,674; n f
AV - house 92, at home 1, household 1, from the house 1; 95
1) a house
1a) an inhabited edifice, a dwelling
1b) the inmates of a house, the family
(strong's number 3614)
New Testament Greek for ' mansions '
3438 mone {mon-ay'}
from 3306; TDNT - 4:579,581; n f
AV - mansion 1, abode 1; 2
1) a staying, abiding, dwelling, abode
2) to make an (one's) abode
3) metaph. of the God the Holy Spirit indwelling believers
(strong's number 3438)
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