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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:08:50 PM
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huangshan
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I will admit that organizations and individuals that muse about terrorist fist jabs and batboys are difficult to take seriously, but hey, they pegged John Edwards, so what the heck.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:10:59 PM
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Let me get this straight............... O'Reilly is a hack, thereby not worth an interview, but Kim Il (whatever the rest of his name is) of North Korea and Ahmadin...........(dittos above) of Iran are worthy to sit down with, no preconditions? Thanx for getting my mind straight about this.
Um, O'Reilly is a reporter. Kim Jong Il and I'madinnerjacket are heads of state.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:11:17 PM
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TaoPoohBear,
The radio show is Neal Boortz. www.boortz.com
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:13:20 PM
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TaoPoohBear,
The radio show is Neal Boortz. www.boortz.com
Thank you.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:17:10 PM
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The radio show is Neal Boortz. www.boortz.com
The only thing I miss about Atlanta! He's a rare voice of common sense in the sea of stupidity! 
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:27:37 PM
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Let me get this straight............... O'Reilly is a hack, thereby not worth an interview, but Kim Il (whatever the rest of his name is) of North Korea and Ahmadin...........(dittos above) of Iran are worthy to sit down with, no preconditions? Thanx for getting my mind straight about this.
Um, O'Reilly is a reporter. Kim Jong Il and I'madinnerjacket are heads of state.
which one of these is not like the other
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P.S.: Ahmadinejad is not a head of state. That would be Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:29:17 PM
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I'm all for it! Corner some of these people outside of their scriptured comfort zones and press 'em a bit.
Then why doesn't O'Reilly do it himself? Why send a pencil-neck intern out to badger his interviewees?
Either way, IMO, it's unprofessional.
If someone doesn't want to submit to your interview requests, live with it. Don't stalk them in parking garages like a sick ex-lover.
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The fact is that many of the Dems went on other opinion shows (with FAR less viewership), yet ignore outfits like the Factor or Hannity which would put them in front of far MORE people. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Actually, it makes total sense.
I think O'Reilly is a decent interviewer in studio (when he's not screaming about immigration), but what Democrat would ever want to be in the same room as Hannity?
Have you ever seen his "interviewing" style? It's a joke.
For one, he's got zero objectivity.
He throws more softballs to Republicans than Jennie Finch. Have you ever seen Hannity interview Bush? I think the most challenging question I ever saw him ask was along the lines of: "Mr. President, isn't it a pretty day?"
Yet with Dems, Hannity's "questions" are more GOP talking points than questions at all, and often talks over his subjects as they try to answer.
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Hillary Clinton even made the comment that Fox News had been the most fair in it's coverage of her campaign
And you believe her?
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 1:52:33 PM
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The slippery-slope errors, amphigory of terms, subverted-support arguments, non sequitors, ad hominem injection of prejudicial language, compex question, false dilemma, false warnings of unacceptble consequences, slothful induction, hasty generalization, post hoc, begging the question, and straw man constitute a textbook-worthy example of muddled thinking. The process you describe simply does not equate to the conclusion you attribute to it, and all the heated rhetoric indicates that you realize it.
Please put your criticism of my post, in English instead of legaleess or some other elitist language and explain where I error, and know I error.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:01:01 PM
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Todd,
While I like Sean, I'm hard pressed to believe that ANYBODY would be intimidated by him. Let's face it, he's just not the toughest looking or sounding guy out there.
Keith Olberman is far more imposing of a character, but if I were running for office and he requested an interview, I wouldn't duck him either.
And whoever said Sean was supposed to be objective? He's not. He's a conservative political pundit.
I just find it amusing that none of the Democrats will go on any show where they will be asked questions outside of the DNC talking points. (Of course, there are Republicans that do the same thing, to be fair)
And oddly, enough, yeah, I beleive Hillary on this one. Because she also avoided Fox News for the longest time. She went on O'Reilly because it was a last ditch effort to save her sinking ship, and if you saw the interview, I think you'll agree O'Reilly was more than fair to her. In my view, he softballed it, but that's just me...
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:02:02 PM
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The slippery-slope errors, amphigory of terms, subverted-support arguments, non sequitors, ad hominem injection of prejudicial language, compex question, false dilemma, false warnings of unacceptble consequences, slothful induction, hasty generalization, post hoc, begging the question, and straw man constitute a textbook-worthy example of muddled thinking. The process you describe simply does not equate to the conclusion you attribute to it, and all the heated rhetoric indicates that you realize it.
Please put your criticism of my post, in English instead of legaleess or some other elitist language and explain where I error, and know I error.
The last sentence, the conclusion of my argument, is simple enough. As for understanding the terms I used as contentions, all of them are defined online if you really care to know them.
Or I could simply show some mercy and quit pointing out the leaps of illogic in your arguments. That might be better all the way around.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:05:40 PM
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I think the Fox News is biased boogeyman is a little overstated but I find it hard for anyone to make the case that their opinion pieces aren't predominantly conservative. Look at the hosts, the only two liberals who are regularly featured on shows (hosts or panel members) are Alan Colmes & Juan Williams. Kirsten Powers has been on some too but mostly as a guest. Geraldo Rivera might be a liberal but rarely discusses politics (except when arguing with O Reilly over immigration). Back to Juan Williams, even he has been more of a moderate lately (his appearances on O Reilly are little more than "me too" sessions but he still represents liberalism on Fox News Sunday).
If you're looking for non-conservatives, how about Mara Liasson? Mort Kondracke isn't particularly conservative, nor is Jeff Birnbaum.
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As far as hard news goes, when do they have hard news? "Special Report" with Brit Hume would be one. Even that show has a panel with one or two conservatives and one or two moderates. I haven't seen the liberal position represented on that show but I don't watch it all the time. I watch it enough to know that a strong liberal on that panel is a rarity. I can't think of another hard news show.
Fox News with Shepard Smith is straight news, though a bunch of entertainment stuff gets in all the time, particularly when Brittney Spears was having her problems. The financial shows on Saturday morning seem pretty straight, though I admit financial news isn't my thing so I don't watch them much.
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"Fox and Friends", please. I don't think they know the difference between hard news, opinion pieces, news analysis and entertaining drivel. The other morning / early afternoon shows are more reality soap opera driven (but at least their hosts act reasonably intelligent). I guess Shepard Smith's shows are "hard news" but they slant more toward the entertainment end. For the record Shep is a moderate but he rarely gives political opinions on his show.
Fox and Friends isn't meant to be a hard news show any more than are the other morning shows. It's a mixture of everything.
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Fox News Sunday is a separate issue, being intended for the Fox broadcast network. Chris Wallace has done a superb job recently in grilling guests left and right (and I really hope that is what we want). The panel isn't horribly unbalanced. Brit Hume is a definite conservative but on the panel he plays somewhat to the middle on the road, Mara Liasson usually just discusses the story without being partisan, Bill Kristol is an absolute far right guy and Juan Williams is definitely left but not far left. At least not as far as Kristol is right.
That's my take. I just find it hard to watch Fox News and think "fair and balanced". They may be more balanced than other networks (I don't get a chance to watch them much) but I'm judging Fox on its own merits.
Of all the tv news outlets, Fox is by far the fairest. I don't think you'll hear any of their NEWS people saying that any candidate makes their legs tingle.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:05:53 PM
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While I like Sean, I'm hard pressed to believe that ANYBODY would be intimidated by him. Let's face it, he's just not the toughest looking or sounding guy out there.
I've always wanted to like Sean, but I just don't think he has much in the way of mental wattage and is lost if ever taken off-message. I really can't handle listening to him on TV or radio.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:07:52 PM
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The slippery-slope errors, amphigory of terms, subverted-support arguments, non sequitors, ad hominem injection of prejudicial language, compex question, false dilemma, false warnings of unacceptble consequences, slothful induction, hasty generalization, post hoc, begging the question, and straw man constitute a textbook-worthy example of muddled thinking. The process you describe simply does not equate to the conclusion you attribute to it, and all the heated rhetoric indicates that you realize it.
Please put your criticism of my post, in English instead of legaleess or some other elitist language and explain where I error, and know I error.
Second!!!
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:08:59 PM
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Lotta posters on this Board that need the elements of logical thought explained to them.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:15:43 PM
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I think you're absolutely right about the Hillary - O'Reilly interview. It did seem pretty fair.
Keith Olberman? He's just plain nasty, vicious, and hateful! He should stick to sports.
I would like to see both of the candidates get interviewed by Mark Levin. He seems like someone that would go for the jugular. Or how about Neil Boortz? Not likely to happen, though. 
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Todd,
While I like Sean, I'm hard pressed to believe that ANYBODY would be intimidated by him. Let's face it, he's just not the toughest looking or sounding guy out there.
Keith Olberman is far more imposing of a character, but if I were running for office and he requested an interview, I wouldn't duck him either.
And whoever said Sean was supposed to be objective? He's not. He's a conservative political pundit.
I just find it amusing that none of the Democrats will go on any show where they will be asked questions outside of the DNC talking points. (Of course, there are Republicans that do the same thing, to be fair)
And oddly, enough, yeah, I beleive Hillary on this one. Because she also avoided Fox News for the longest time. She went on O'Reilly because it was a last ditch effort to save her sinking ship, and if you saw the interview, I think you'll agree O'Reilly was more than fair to her. In my view, he softballed it, but that's just me...
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:20:06 PM
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While I like Sean, I'm hard pressed to believe that ANYBODY would be intimidated by him. Let's face it, he's just not the toughest looking or sounding guy out there.
It's not a question of intimidation, it's one of being able to get a word in edgewise with Hannity, and navigate his slated questioning.
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[Hillary] went on O'Reilly because it was a last ditch effort to save her sinking ship, and if you saw the interview, I think you'll agree O'Reilly was more than fair to her.
I agree, yes.
I just can't stand it when O'Reilly gets pompous and self-righteous on the air and rants. Also, his history of childish behavior like name-calling, and telling people he doesn't like to "shut up" is pretty pathetic.
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I've always wanted to like Sean, but I just don't think he has much in the way of mental wattage and is lost if ever taken off-message. I really can't handle listening to him on TV or radio.
Even among Hannity's fans, I often hear the one aspect about him that drives them crazy is Hannity's penchant for repeating the same politically-charged buzzwords over and over (e.g. "unrepentant terrorist," "community organizer," "known associations," etc).
IMO, it just makes Hannity look (as you said) like a dim bulb.
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Keith Olberman? He's just plain nasty, vicious, and hateful!
I agree that KO can come across as holier-than-thou, but I appreciate his willingness to call right-wingers like Limbaugh, and Bill-O on their hokum.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:26:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant
The slippery-slope errors, amphigory of terms, subverted-support arguments, non sequitors, ad hominem injection of prejudicial language, compex question, false dilemma, false warnings of unacceptble consequences, slothful induction, hasty generalization, post hoc, begging the question, and straw man constitute a textbook-worthy example of muddled thinking. The process you describe simply does not equate to the conclusion you attribute to it, and all the heated rhetoric indicates that you realize it.
Please put your criticism of my post, in English instead of legaleess or some other elitist language and explain where I error, and know I error.
The last sentence, the conclusion of my argument, is simple enough. As for understanding the terms I used as contentions, all of them are defined online if you really care to know them.
Or I could simply show some mercy and quit pointing out the leaps of illogic in your arguments. That might be better all the way around.
In other words you can not, or will not backup your criticism of my post.
You can not show how my fear of what our political system is becoming-as reflected in the "Employee Free Choice Act of 2007" and the reasoning politicians are using to justify its passage- is baseless.
Dictsators rise to power through various means. Hitler rose to power by weakening and using the system already in place and through the methods that changees in the law allowed him to use.
You can not show how Washington's warning of political parties is coming true in this election year based on the efforts of elements to persuade us that there is only one person fit to be president
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 2:52:29 PM
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but I appreciate his willingness to call right-wingers like Limbaugh, and Bill-O on their hokum.
Calling out Rush for being a right winger? Sounds like a waste of time to me, since Rush makes his bias known from the get go.
O'Reilly on the other hand, I've seen him hand both conservative and liberal heads back to their respective owners, so I'm not sure "right winger" is wholly accurate.
As for phrases like "shut up" or whatnot, it's Bill's show. He can handle guests however he pleases. Whenever I hear a guest, from the right or the left, go into their talking points rather than answering a straight question, I wish I was the host so I could tell 'em to shut up.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 3:00:34 PM
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Oh, boy, more from MediaMatters (YAWN)
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 3:02:21 PM
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Calling out Rush for being a right winger? Sounds like a waste of time to me, since Rush makes his bias known from the get go.
I didn't say this.
I said I liked how KO called Limbaugh out for--among other things--lying thru his teeth, being a raging hypocrite, and just generally being a slimeball (e.g. Limbaugh's comment earlier this week about why John Edwards must have cheated on his wife).
A class act, indeed.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 3:04:21 PM
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Oh, boy, more from MediaMatters (YAWN)
Why not address the information cited rather than dismiss the source altogether?
The reason why MM has gained its following is that it takes comments by right-wingers, and uses their own words against them via transcripts and video/audio clips.
MM has also been instrumental in fact-checking Jerome Corsi's lame excuse of a book attacking Obama, and exposing it (with specific examples) for the baseless material it is.
If people want to explore Obama's past and write about it, fine. Just don't make up (like Corsi) theories out of smoke, and have zero evidence to back it up. Plus, Corsi using the book to attack Obama's late father strikes me as particularly gutless.
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RE: Is B. Hussein O. the biggest threat to our country ... - 8/15/2008 3:14:52 PM
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If you're looking for non-conservatives, how about Mara Liasson? Mort Kondracke isn't particularly conservative, nor is Jeff Birnbaum.
I identified Liasson as a moderate and meant to do the same with Kondracke. The problem is who balances Barnes, Kristol, Krauthammer, Hannity, Hume and O Reilly (a traditionalist moreso than a conservative but they have quite a bit of overlap)? And those are just the commentators that either host or sit in on panels regularly. Moderates do not balance solid or fanatical conservatives.
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Fox News with Shepard Smith is straight news, though a bunch of entertainment stuff gets in all the time, particularly when Brittney Spears was having her problems.
Funny you should mention it as I said the very same thing in the next section you quoted (sans the Spears reference).
As far as the financial stuff goes: first, I don't watch it much either; second, I don't really count finances as "hard news" for the purpose of determining a news network's bias or lack thereof. Those in finance do tend to skew conservative though (if you're good at making money you probably don't want liberal do-gooders taking it away) and when I have watched the majority of them were free market, less government involvement people, both Conservative positions. So not considering the financial part probably helps your case.
My biggest gripe with Fox News is not its conservatism (although I believe their news analysis skews conservative) but their tabloidness. I'd go into it but I don't want to be more off topic than I already am. Lets just say I'm sick of the yelling, arguing, obsession with celebs and the missing woman of the day stuff.
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