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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/14/2008 4:42:21 PM
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Lapidoth
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Well, I found the guy . . . Lew. He is a Messianic teacher, I guess, from the looks of it. But I'll tell you -- the percentage of messed up Messianics is as great as the percentage of messed up Christians. Sometimes, I am just plain embarrassed to be bundled with some of such belief systems by the name, Messianic. The problem with most of US Messianics is that we got so fed up with the junk dished out in our individual churches that we went ALL OUT into Messianism, not realizing that too often, they are a mess, too.
The book by Lew White most in circulation is "Fozziled Traditions."
And much of the wacky things that come across from most you will
find in this book. I've had a copy for some time. And when people
start spouting supposedly messianic stuff at me, I just shrug and tell
my pals........."They got that out of Lew White's book."
Yet, they try to come across as though it's what the Bible actually says.
Another case of isegesis instead of exegesis.
And I've told some that it seems much of the messy's in this area are
really messed up. Even more so than the Sunday keepers.
But Sabbath keeper or Sunday keeper, one has to follow the Word of God.
Study to show ourselves equipped.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/14/2008 6:03:30 PM
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LBolt
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The way I see it, as long as we understand what we mean...church, assembly, ekklesia...as long as we aren't trying to say the church replace Israel, replacement theology, why stress it?
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/14/2008 6:34:21 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Well, I don't know anything about this Lew White, and I have no idea whatsoever about Michael. All I know is that we all need to be careful -- Messianic and Christian. You know that old angel of light thing.
What I have noticed is that we Messianics can really get going, putting Christians down, and it is a total shame upon us. Then Christians do the same to us. If we are truly believers, we are in one family with one Father, and we ought to be acting like it.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/14/2008 6:37:27 PM
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LBolt
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Agreed! We tend to be very zealous in both directions... I heard a statement which says, "People do not care about what you know until they know how much you care."
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/14/2008 10:13:49 PM
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Ezra
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A Hebrew may or may not be a Jew.
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I am still trying to determine the point of this thread...
The point of this thread could be that while a Hebrew may or may not be a Jew, he can't stand the idea that Greek, Latin and English could be acceptable languages to God. Hence all this fuss over "church" and "ekklesia".
Just a reminder to the one who started this bizarre thread. The superscription nailed to the Cross of Christ proclaiming to the world that He was King of the Jews was written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin. There's a lesson there for you.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/14/2008 10:57:10 PM
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I do not believe in Angels, Evolution, Hell, Trinitarism, or Sunday Sabbath.
I am curious about something, and since it is in the OP I guess it is not off topic.
If you do not believe in angels, why did you choose that screenname?
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/15/2008 12:25:36 AM
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MichaelTheeArchAngel
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It seems that people are more interested in who I am, and what I am about, then the posted subject. I did not come here to be put on trial about what I believe, so I will leave this post for everyone to trash.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/15/2008 9:02:01 AM
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It seems that people are more interested in who I am, and what I am about, then the posted subject. I did not come here to be put on trial about what I believe, so I will leave this post for everyone to trash.
I think we are all trying to figure out exactly what the subject is. Your posting style is a little difficult to understand.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/15/2008 4:46:53 PM
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MichaelTheeArchAngel
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Very well then, I accept your apology. I almost got rid of MichaelTheeArchAngel, but when I found out that people were waiting in line for that poster name, I decided to keep it. I also find that people track me through the use of that name also. So as you see I am caught between a rock and a hard spot. Perhaps someone will find it amusing if you say you have been speaking to MichaelTheeArchAngel. Lol.
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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel
It seems that people are more interested in who I am, and what I am about, then the posted subject. I did not come here to be put on trial about what I believe, so I will leave this post for everyone to trash.
MTAA,
I was not trying to trash you. It just amused me that you enter a Christian forum and claim that angels do not exist. On top of that, you name yourself one. It is kinda humorous. I apologize for offending you.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/15/2008 5:08:44 PM
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MichaelTheeArchAngel
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This is what the point of this subject is: Many Christians place the importance of a "Church" as the only means of salvation, when in fact it is the believers themselves that are The Body of Christ. Salvation is obtained by your keeping of God's precept and Commandments in addition to the testamony of Yahshua. And that is what scripture says. That is The New Covenant. The True Church is the "congregation" of believers. A Chuch is a building for public gatherings of various sorts. Where ever the true believers assemble, that is the congregation. And again like I have said before, the word church is an interpretation for the words Assembly and congregation. For example, the Catholic Church say that salvation can only be found through the Catholic Church. And that is why you see the interpretation church given in the bible. quote:
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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel
It seems that people are more interested in who I am, and what I am about, then the posted subject. I did not come here to be put on trial about what I believe, so I will leave this post for everyone to trash.
I think we are all trying to figure out exactly what the subject is. Your posting style is a little difficult to understand.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/15/2008 5:46:35 PM
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Mike, I agree that salvation is not in a building nor is it in a denomination. I also agree that the Church is the body of Christ or the corporate collection of all who have believed, repented, and are born again into a new life.
A church building CAN be where a local group of believers assemble, but they do not need a specific building to meet - it might be in a home or an empty store.
Most believers understand that there is a difference between the Church (Body or Bride of Christ) and a church, a local assembly of believers, and a church building. Three entire different things.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/15/2008 8:10:48 PM
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MichaelTheeArchAngel
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Finally we agree upon something.
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Mike, I agree that salvation is not in a building nor is it in a denomination. I also agree that the Church is the body of Christ or the corporate collection of all who have believed, repented, and are born again into a new life.
A church building CAN be where a local group of believers assemble, but they do not need a specific building to meet - it might be in a home or an empty store.
Most believers understand that there is a difference between the Church (Body or Bride of Christ) and a church, a local assembly of believers, and a church building. Three entire different things.
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RE: The word "Church" is not in scripture. - 8/18/2008 12:54:27 PM
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DaveW
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The True Church is the "congregation" of believers. A Chuch is a building for public gatherings of various sorts. Where ever the true believers assemble, that is the congregation. And again like I have said before, the word church is an interpretation for the words Assembly and congregation. Yes, and every word we have in ANY english version of the bible is "... is an interpretation for the words..." that originally were penned in Hebrew, Greek or whatever.
So where in the NT Greek does it use the words "true church?" Would you prefer if we refered to all congregational houses as "Synagogues?"
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