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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/12/2008 7:21:32 AM
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huskarine
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First of all, people didn't just stand around doing nothing, they tried to help. These people did their very best in a difficult situation, Earthless. Your contempt is uncalled for.
Seeing that the man was still stabbed to death and then beheaded (which depending on the knife is not a such a swift process..) I cannot see how they allowed this to happen all the way.
I know that this is biased because I am a cop and hence would do all I could to prevent it.
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What gives? I always thought you were nice.
No, I am not always nice. Lord knows I have many faults.
I agree with you completely, earthless. of course, I naturally do being a former Marine...but:
I don't normally carry a K-Bar (very big knife) on me...actually, many people out there normally don't carry knives on them (except the Joker from the Dark Knight, lol)...
if I had a gun, and I was allowed to carry it, I would. The idea is to promote a level playing field, criminals and law-abiding Americans. We simply can not depend on the law enforcement to protect us at the moment we need it. Remember, the Bible also condemns suicide, so being non-violent in a situation like this (say if you your life was on the line) would be wrong!
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/12/2008 7:25:21 AM
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huskarine
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And going on your scenario, even more reason for concealed carry for law abiding citizens.
I'm not arguing over our gun control laws, and while I agree with the above statement, I'm just pointing out that the man could most certainly have brought a gun on the bus as well, and harmed more people while they were sleeping. He had no criminal history or documented history of mental illness so he would have been able to get a gun legally under our laws.
Again, the point is that criminals (those with intentions to harm, to commit crimes) do not care about gun laws nor do they adhere to them.
In the U.S. - the areas with the strictest gun control laws on the books are the very exact areas that have the highest gun crime. Heh.
well said!!! I want the freedom to defend myself in time...it beats the wait on the phone with 911...the only thing I would be able to get off to the operator would be "Ahhhh...he's decapitating me!!!"
that might be funny, but its rather disappointing. people that want gun control have probably never been attacked. and honestly, for those that do want gun control after being attacked...well, to them, they take flight over fight.
remember, the government CAN NOT stop the black market.
sorry for being insensitive. I was only poking fun at the hypothetical. But since it is a serious topic, well then, I will gladly defend my life and post seriously!
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/12/2008 9:07:10 AM
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Nowhere has it ever been mentioned in the Canadian media (which reports on this daily) that Li was a Muslim so I'm curious as to where people would get that from.
Most people on the bus were asleep that night. By the time they awoke and realized what was going on, Mr. McLean was near death. Some people tried to stop Li but he lunged at him with the knife. The passenger sitting in front of Mr. McLean said that by the time he turned around and realized what was happening, he was dead. The bus driver, following Greyhound protocol for a violent passenger, got all of the passengers off the bus and disabled it. A passing truck driver, the bus driver and a passenger all tried to get back on the bus to stop the man once everyone was off but he again came at them with the knife. The beheading and cannibalism occurred well after the man was dead (initial reports were that he was stabbed up to 60 times.)
I would also like to say that I would have done something to stop the man, but frankly until we are in that situation we can't honestly say what we have done. I'm sure if I witnessed this situation there would be some hesitation on my part until I fully understood what was going on and then my main concern would be the safety of my family. It's unfortunate that those who did try to help were unable to save the man.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/12/2008 2:33:21 PM
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Ok, help me understand the man doing the beheading was a muslim, or the murder victim? I would help someone in a case of violence. I am a small woman, but, no way have I ever not defended someone.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/12/2008 8:55:07 PM
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John in the VW Bus
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Can anyone provide proof that Li is a Muslim?
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/12/2008 9:10:58 PM
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The CBC.CA were the first to report he was a Muslim:
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RCMP announced Friday morning that they have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton with second-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie. A Chinese Muslim, Li expressed to investigators that his actions were motivated by the Koran.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/12/2008 10:15:23 PM
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John in the VW Bus
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It's my understanding that the CBC removed that statement from its site and replaced it with a story that made no reference to Li being a Muslim. Can you provide a link to a story that makes that reference?
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/13/2008 8:13:21 AM
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Why did they remove that statement?
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/13/2008 9:46:13 AM
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I don't know. Can you provide a link to that statement?
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/13/2008 10:00:00 AM
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I don't know. Can you provide a link to that statement?
Sure, I will try to find one later today. I currently only have time to do a quick glance at the boards. Perhaps someone else will find one before I get a chance to.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/13/2008 7:36:39 PM
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actually, many people out there normally don't carry knives on them
I carry a combat folder in my weak side pocket...all the time... 
and my Colt Defender .45acp at about 3:30 IWB on the right side. I carry off of my badge while off duty, but I fully support "shall issue" CCW laws for anyone who aquires and maintains the proper training and range qualifications.
Even with no one armed on this bus, I find it hard to grasp that a bus full of people could stand by while this happened.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/13/2008 8:59:29 PM
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My hubby kept telling me about this and I kept not catching it and thinking he must have misunderstood!
A beheading on a Greyhound?
That is sad. It is man's sick, depraved souls. At this point just satan running rampart. WE can stick the Moslem label on him, but in the end it is the enemy.
I don't think I could watch, I would've tried something, I have also been stabbed before so I know what that feels like, not very pleasant, but if the guy had time to behead, there was some time to do something?
We have used full cans of pop in socks for weapons. Anything?
My hubby's aunt has a saying(she is 92) and lives in the Miss. Delta.
WE are always amazed that she drives around by herself. She says I carry My Bible and a gun.The Bible for herself and the gun for the fools that don't know the Bible!
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/14/2008 10:09:18 AM
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It's my understanding that the CBC removed that statement from its site and replaced it with a story that made no reference to Li being a Muslim.
All the media surrounding this is starting to get ridiculous. No mainstream media source in Canada is reporting he's a Muslim. But everyone who blogs and their mother is saying that he comes from an ethnic group in China that is Muslim.
The CBC reports that he expressed he was motivated by the Koran, yet every media source, including the CBC, has reported that he has said absolutely nothing to anyone (including the judge in the case and his lawyer).
One source reports that the girl Li was sitting next to on the bus for the first part of the trip was a coworker of McLean's. Another source reports she wasn't on the bus.
For everything someone reports, someone else negates it, so really what are we to believe? (The source that most closely fits with what we want to believe?) Although why am I surprised, this is the media we we're talking about.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/14/2008 10:20:58 AM
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huskarine
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It's my understanding that the CBC removed that statement from its site and replaced it with a story that made no reference to Li being a Muslim.
All the media surrounding this is starting to get ridiculous. No mainstream media source in Canada is reporting he's a Muslim. But everyone who blogs and their mother is saying that he comes from an ethnic group in China that is Muslim.
The CBC reports that he expressed he was motivated by the Koran, yet every media source, including the CBC, has reported that he has said absolutely nothing to anyone (including the judge in the case and his lawyer).
One source reports that the girl Li was sitting next to on the bus for the first part of the trip was a coworker of McLean's. Another source reports she wasn't on the bus.
For everything someone reports, someone else negates it, so really what are we to believe? (The source that most closely fits with what we want to believe?) Although why am I surprised, this is the media we we're talking about.
agreed, I hate the media as well, they can not be taken seriously with all of their inherent bias, and even more so in other countries because of inherent censorship...
but people, overall, being warned about Islam and it's true followers is a need...
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/14/2008 2:02:36 PM
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Based on the articles that I've read there really wasn't anything anyone on that bus could have done except what they did. Most of the passengers were sleeping when the attack started. By the time anyone had a chance to react McLean appeared to already be dead. It's not like they had a warning that Li was about to kill somebody. Getting everyone off of the bus while Li was still "occupied" with his victim was the best move. Once everyone, which included young children, was off the bus, several men tried to see if McLean was possibly still alive to rescue. That's when they realized Li had beheaded him.
I'm not going to fault anyone for reacting the way they did upon waking up to a nightmare. I'm glad they had enough presence of mind to evacuate the bus quickly, disable the bus and keep Li inside.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/14/2008 5:36:42 PM
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That is good Tracy (LOL)
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My hubby kept telling me about this and I kept not catching it and thinking he must have misunderstood!
A beheading on a Greyhound?
That is sad. It is man's sick, depraved souls. At this point just satan running rampart. WE can stick the Moslem label on him, but in the end it is the enemy.
I don't think I could watch, I would've tried something, I have also been stabbed before so I know what that feels like, not very pleasant, but if the guy had time to behead, there was some time to do something?
We have used full cans of pop in socks for weapons. Anything?
My hubby's aunt has a saying(she is 92) and lives in the Miss. Delta.
WE are always amazed that she drives around by herself. She says I carry My Bible and a gun.The Bible for herself and the gun for the fools that don't know the Bible!
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/16/2008 7:05:42 PM
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For the last time, it was at night and people were asleep. By the time anyone knew what was happening, the victim had been stabbed several times in the throat!
People DID TRY TO STOP HIM! However, it was cramped and the criminal was trying to stab them as well.
Everyone got out and kept the criminal trapped until police could arrive.
IT WAS DURING THAT TIME THAT THE BEHEADING TOOK PLACE. The victim was long dead.
Just please stop being so judgmental and cruel.
Show some compassion.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/16/2008 7:17:22 PM
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Again, a beheading (ever watched one?) does not occur that swiftly with a hand held knife. It takes time and a lot of strength. How that was not fully prevented is beyond me and this is not a matter of compassion.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/16/2008 7:29:41 PM
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Look, I'll say this slowly.
The victim was dead.
The passengers tried to stop the stabbing.
They couldn't.
They retreated and locked the criminal in.
They call the police.
Li beheads the corpse during that time period.
People were not on the bus while the beheading took place.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/16/2008 7:36:09 PM
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People were not on the bus while the beheading took place.
Do you have a news link that reports that? The one from the OP is no longer available.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/17/2008 11:23:39 AM
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John in the VW Bus
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Speaking of links, where's this one?
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I don't know. Can you provide a link to that statement?
Sure, I will try to find one later today. I currently only have time to do a quick glance at the boards. Perhaps someone else will find one before I get a chance to.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/17/2008 5:55:59 PM
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Speaking of links, where's this one?
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I don't know. Can you provide a link to that statement?
Sure, I will try to find one later today. I currently only have time to do a quick glance at the boards. Perhaps someone else will find one before I get a chance to.
The CBC.CA one was retracted due to media pressure. All that can be found now are on blogs... so it may be too late now. But I will see if I can find anything remaining.
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RE: MAN BEHEADED ON GREYHOUND BUS!!! - 8/17/2008 7:24:35 PM
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The CBC.CA one was retracted due to media pressure. All that can be found now are on blogs... so it may be too late now. But I will see if I can find anything remaining.
So, the age of "newspeak" begins.
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