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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/24/2008 10:14:47 PM
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huangshan
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Well, McCain has been using his former POW status to deflect questions about his troubles remembering how many houses he has,
I guess nobody on the left has figured out that that statement was made in jest....everybody is taking it so darn seriously...
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his terrible taste in music,
Since when is taste in music a qualification to be President?
In reference to the first one, which statement? A spokesman used McCain's POW status once, and McCain used it once (according to my count) regarding his houses. In regards to the second, it's not a qualification, but it's a little telling that he pulls it out all the time. See my post 38 in this thread for info on that one, it's pretty silly.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 8:58:12 AM
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You may not like John McCain's choice in music. I don't like Obama's choice, if the Ludicris garbage is typical of it. So where does that leave us? Big deal! If that's the best you can come up with.........
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Well, McCain has been using his former POW status to deflect questions about his troubles remembering how many houses he has,
I guess nobody on the left has figured out that that statement was made in jest....everybody is taking it so darn seriously...
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his terrible taste in music,
Since when is taste in music a qualification to be President?
In reference to the first one, which statement? A spokesman used McCain's POW status once, and McCain used it once (according to my count) regarding his houses. In regards to the second, it's not a qualification, but it's a little telling that he pulls it out all the time. See my post 38 in this thread for info on that one, it's pretty silly.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 9:50:35 AM
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huangshan
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You may not like John McCain's choice in music. I don't like Obama's choice, if the Ludicris garbage is typical of it. So where does that leave us? Big deal! If that's the best you can come up with.........
-Dave
Actually, I don't mind Abba so much, and it factors into my opinion of him not a bit.
I mind throwing out the POW card every chance he gets, even for the easy and irrelevant fly balls like questions about music.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 1:02:48 PM
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Bush claimed all along that we would remain in iraq only as long as the legitimate government wanted us there. And McCain has not only supported Bush in ihis Iraq policies, but promised to continue them.
It turns out that the elected government of Iraq now wants us to leave, and the sooner the better.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_pact
So is Bush going to live up to his words? Or was he lying all along? And if McCain is lucky enough to inherit the failure of Bush's policies, will HE have the gumption to bring them home? Or will he CONTINUE a terribly inept foreign policy failure?
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 1:10:08 PM
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Bush claimed all along that we would remain in iraq only as long as the legitimate government wanted us there. And McCain has not only supported Bush in ihis Iraq policies, but promised to continue them.
It turns out that the elected government of Iraq now wants us to leave, and the sooner the better.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_pact
So is Bush going to live up to his words? Or was he lying all along? And if McCain is lucky enough to inherit the failure of Bush's policies, will HE have the gumption to bring them home? Or will he CONTINUE a terribly inept foreign policy failure?
yup...it will surely be a defining moment for the GOP...but if both the US and Iraqi's agree on a timetable, then consider it as Bush living up to his words on OIF.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 1:26:11 PM
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If the Iraqis have made teh decision that they are going to stand up for themselves, and they want us to leave, then it's time to leave.
But we do so because the time is right, not because the liberal cowards on the Hill are screaming about it for political expediency....
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 1:36:46 PM
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If the Iraqis have made teh decision that they are going to stand up for themselves, and they want us to leave, then it's time to leave.
But we do so because the time is right, not because the liberal cowards on the Hill are screaming about it for political expediency....
"If"? "IF?!"
Did you bother to read the cite? Or are you just having difficulty with:
"BAGHDAD - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Monday no security agreement with the United States could be reached unless it included a "specific deadline" for the withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. "
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 2:04:50 PM
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If the Iraqis have made teh decision that they are going to stand up for themselves, and they want us to leave, then it's time to leave.
But we do so because the time is right, not because the liberal cowards on the Hill are screaming about it for political expediency....
"If"? "IF?!"
Did you bother to read the cite? Or are you just having difficulty with:
"BAGHDAD - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Monday no security agreement with the United States could be reached unless it included a "specific deadline" for the withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. "
well, sad as it is...logistically, it wouldn't be good for the mission if the US were to just pull out...but you can say welcome to Syria and Iran if we just fixed a R-u-n-n-o-f-t...
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 3:11:42 PM
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If the Iraqis have made teh decision that they are going to stand up for themselves, and they want us to leave, then it's time to leave.
But we do so because the time is right, not because the liberal cowards on the Hill are screaming about it for political expediency....
"If"? "IF?!"
Did you bother to read the cite? Or are you just having difficulty with:
"BAGHDAD - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Monday no security agreement with the United States could be reached unless it included a "specific deadline" for the withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. "
well, sad as it is...logistically, it wouldn't be good for the mission if the US were to just pull out...but you can say welcome to Syria and Iran if we just fixed a R-u-n-n-o-f-t...
So, "good for the mission" (*) trumps "we'll leave when the Iraqi government asks us to".
meaning that Bush was lying all along - which was my original assertion, and which you have just agreed.
(*) By the way, what was that "mission" again? How was success to be defined? How would we recognize it when it was achieved? What was the original estimate of the cost, timeframe, resources to be committed?
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 3:18:38 PM
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So, "good for the mission" (*) trumps "we'll leave when the Iraqi government asks us to".
meaning that Bush was lying all along - which was my original assertion, and which you have just agreed.
(*) By the way, what was that "mission" again? How was success to be defined? How would we recognize it when it was achieved? What was the original estimate of the cost, timeframe, resources to be committed?
Just curious - isn't this the McCain support thread?
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 3:21:05 PM
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So, "good for the mission" (*) trumps "we'll leave when the Iraqi government asks us to".
meaning that Bush was lying all along - which was my original assertion, and which you have just agreed.
(*) By the way, what was that "mission" again? How was success to be defined? How would we recognize it when it was achieved? What was the original estimate of the cost, timeframe, resources to be committed?
Just curious - isn't this the McCain support thread?
If you want to claim that continuing to support this fiasco of a foreign policy is a McCain practice that shows him favorably, go right ahead.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 3:38:41 PM
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If you want to claim that continuing to support this fiasco of a foreign policy is a McCain practice that shows him favorably, go right ahead.
Actually, I was more concerned with the topic - we already have an Iraq thread.
Are you abadoning the topic you started?
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 3:44:40 PM
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If you want to claim that continuing to support this fiasco of a foreign policy is a McCain practice that shows him favorably, go right ahead.
Actually, I was more concerned with the topic - we already have an Iraq thread.
Are you abadoning the topic you started?
A) I asked the same question over there. Even mcCain's supporters haven't had the nerve to disucss it.
B) So, you do NOT support Bush's Iraq war, and do not support McCain's intent and promise to continue that policy?
What was it you were commenting on, my comments aren't supporting mcCain?
Neither are yours.
SO here's the question - do you, or do you not, support McCain's plans to continue the Iraq war/occupation, for a "hundred years" or however long it turns out, or not?
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 3:50:12 PM
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Actually, the Iraqi government wants foreign troops gone by 2011, a date I'm sure we will abide by....
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 3:54:08 PM
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A) I asked the same question over there. Even mcCain's supporters haven't had the nerve to disucss it.
Actually, Fritz responded to you.
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B) So, you do NOT support Bush's Iraq war, and do not support McCain's intent and promise to continue that policy?
I support finishing the job.
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What was it you were commenting on, my comments aren't supporting mcCain?
Neither are yours.
SO here's the question - do you, or do you not, support McCain's plans to continue the Iraq war/occupation, for a "hundred years" or however long it turns out, or not?
McCain said:
Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…
McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.
If we have a relationship (of the sort we currently have with Germany, Japan, and S. Korea) for 100 hundred years, yes, I think that would be a good thing, and I would support it.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 4:02:49 PM
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A) I asked the same question over there. Even mcCain's supporters haven't had the nerve to disucss it.
Actually, Fritz responded to you.
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B) So, you do NOT support Bush's Iraq war, and do not support McCain's intent and promise to continue that policy?
I support finishing the job.
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What was it you were commenting on, my comments aren't supporting mcCain?
Neither are yours.
SO here's the question - do you, or do you not, support McCain's plans to continue the Iraq war/occupation, for a "hundred years" or however long it turns out, or not?
McCain said:
Questioner: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for fifty years…
McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.
If we have a relationship (of the sort we currently have with Germany, Japan, and S. Korea) for 100 hundred years, yes, I think that would be a good thing, and I would support it.
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SO here's the question - do you, or do you not, support McCain's plans to continue the Iraq war/occupation, for a "hundred years" or however long it turns out, or not?
Straw man much?
In case you missed it, the question was: "do you, or do you not, support McCain's plans to continue the Iraq war/occupation, for a "hundred years" or however long it turns out, or not?"
which both you and McCain tried to slip in the MILITARY ALLIANCE we have had with Germany, and to a lesser extent with Japan, for decades.
The facts are that the United States was in military occupation of Japan only until 1952, and of Germany only until 1949, and everything after that was in the nature of a military alliance.
So let's try it again. Are you, or are you not, in support of McCAin when he calls for the continuation of the Bush occupation of Iraq for the foreseeable, and undefined future?
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 4:09:55 PM
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Straw man much?
In case you missed it, the question was: "do you, or do you not, support McCain's plans to continue the Iraq war/occupation, for a "hundred years" or however long it turns out, or not?"
which both you and McCain tried to slip in the MILITARY ALLIANCE we have had with Germany, and to a lesser extent with Japan, for decades.
The facts are that the United States was in military occupation of Japan only until 1952, and of Germany only until 1949, and everything after that was in the nature of a military alliance.
So let's try it again. Are you, or are you not, in support of McCAin when he calls for the continuation of the Bush occupation of Iraq for the foreseeable, and undefined future
Well, that's ironic - you create an actual strawman (that McCain wants to continue the war for a 100 years), I produce the actual quote demonstrating that he wants no such thing, and you accuse me of a strawman. Again, I don't think you know the meaning of the terms you use in a parrot-like fashion.
Bottom line - McCain doesn't say anything about a 100 year war - but what he does clearly say, I (as any reasonable person should) support.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/25/2008 5:11:24 PM
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Well, that's ironic - you create an actual strawman (that McCain wants to continue the war for a 100 years), I produce the actual quote demonstrating that he wants no such thing, and you accuse me of a strawman. Again, I don't think you know the meaning of the terms you use in a parrot-like fashion.
Bottom line - McCain doesn't say anything about a 100 year war - but what he does clearly say, I (as any reasonable person should) support.
That's what I thought and thanks, Jhud, for finding the actual quote in it's context, making it clear exactly what he meant by his "hundred year" comment. It was a very rational thing for him to say and a bold thing too, considering how it was bound to be twisted by his enemies. I consider that a reason to vote for him.
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McCain: Maybe a hundred. Make it one hundred. We’ve been in South Korea, we’ve been in Japan for sixty years. We’ve been in South Korea for fifty years or so. That’d be fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. Then it’s fine with me. I would hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/26/2008 2:09:55 AM
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he never ONCE made fun of the bible, unlike his rival.
If a person makes fun of the bible he is NOT one i want as the President of the USA.
McCain mocked Christianity and the bible by comparing Obama to a messiah in 2 of his attack ads. I may not agree with some of Obama's theology but he has NEVER made fun of the bible or Christianity or used christian figures so flippantly as McCain has.
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If a person makes fun of the bible he is NOT one i want as the President of the USA.
I agree, which is why McCain would NEVER get my vote.
You must not have seen the speech in which he said these words...
And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?
Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.
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Now this is going to be difficult for some who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, as many evangelicals do. But in a pluralistic democracy, we have no choice.
Politics depends on our ability to persuade each other of common aims based on a common reality. It involves the compromise, the art of what's possible. At some fundamental level, religion does not allow for compromise. It's the art of the impossible. If God has spoken, then followers are expected to live up to God's edicts, regardless of the consequences.
To base one's life on such uncompromising commitments may be sublime, but to base our policy making on such commitments would be a dangerous thing. And if you doubt that, let me give you an example.
We all know the story of Abraham and Isaac. Abraham is ordered by God to offer up his only son, and without argument, he takes Isaac to the mountaintop, binds him to an altar, and raises his knife, prepared to act as God has commanded.
Of course, in the end God sends down an angel to intercede at the very last minute, and Abraham passes God's test of devotion.
But it's fair to say that if any of us leaving this church saw Abraham on a roof of a building raising his knife, we would, at the very least, call the police and expect the Department of Children and Family Services to take Isaac away from Abraham. We would do so because we do not hear what Abraham hears, do not see what Abraham sees, true as those experiences may be. So the best we can do is act in accordance with those things that we all see, and that we all hear, be it common laws or basic reason.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/26/2008 2:14:07 AM
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I think the burgeoning phenomenon that is "noun, verb, POW" is a strong indicator that he is abusing the integrity that he showed by his extreme bravery.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "making fun of the bible", and it sounds like you're referring to Obama. I'm not familiar with that one, and I'm surprised it hasn't gotten more play here if it's true.
He isnt abusing anything. He did what he did for this Country. Others are abusing it.
Ill show you what i mean by Obama making fun of the bible.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE
Well, McCain has been using his former POW status to deflect questions about his troubles remembering how many houses he has, his terrible taste in music, and essentially everything under the sun. He used his POW status to great effect in his original senate campaign. I'm not sure how this becomes "others are abusing it". At this point, I'm not sure that it's hyperbolic to say that it's difficult to find a subject where he hasn't inserted a reference to his former POW status.
And I'd be happy to discuss Obama making fun of the bible, but could you explain it to me? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take away from the video.
I said that because others are making light of what he has gone through and using his words against him because of it.
Not any of us on here will ever go though what he went though, thank God. Neither has Obama. No one but him and God and the other men that had to suffer with him what hell he had to endure - so if he wants to talk about it a little bit i say hes earned that right.
The video in which i showed you shows Obama mocking the bible. Making jokes. Its sickening...
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/26/2008 7:08:22 AM
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If the Iraqis have made teh decision that they are going to stand up for themselves, and they want us to leave, then it's time to leave.
But we do so because the time is right, not because the liberal cowards on the Hill are screaming about it for political expediency....
"If"? "IF?!"
Did you bother to read the cite? Or are you just having difficulty with:
"BAGHDAD - Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Monday no security agreement with the United States could be reached unless it included a "specific deadline" for the withdrawal of all American troops from Iraq. "
well, sad as it is...logistically, it wouldn't be good for the mission if the US were to just pull out...but you can say welcome to Syria and Iran if we just fixed a R-u-n-n-o-f-t...
So, "good for the mission" (*) trumps "we'll leave when the Iraqi government asks us to".
meaning that Bush was lying all along - which was my original assertion, and which you have just agreed.
(*) By the way, what was that "mission" again? How was success to be defined? How would we recognize it when it was achieved? What was the original estimate of the cost, timeframe, resources to be committed?
arrrrghh...swede, please don't put words in my mouth or misinterpret for the world my post. you have a very bad habit of this...
notice how the iraqis made a timetable with us...they are for the mission themselves, and we are completing it on their time...and if they believe that they can handle it, then i would say when it is 2011, mission accomplished!!!
and no, i am not in charge, so i will not declare what the mission is. but since you are so good at heckling it, then maybe you should be in charge!!! you wouldn't know the first thing to do.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/26/2008 8:57:03 AM
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Well, there you go.
Given every chance to support McCain, the soi-disant mcCain supporters (SDMS) on this Board could not bring yourselves to do it.
Given every chance to support Bush's war in Iraq, the SDMS collectively could not bring yourselves to do it. Given every chance to support McCain's intention and promise to continue the war for the foreseeable future, the SDMS could not bring yourselves to do it.
Given every chance to define the purposes of this war, the conditions for victory, the metrics by which we will be able to recognize victory, or a simple estimated timetable for acheiving either the (undefined) victory or any of the nonexistent milestones along the path, the SDMS were unable to acheive ANY of it.
The best anyone came up with was *McCain didn't mean a 100-year military occupation*, at best an evasion of the real issue, but even that individual was unable to explain exactly WHAT McCain was talking about if it wasn't that. Be that as it may, leave out the 100-year limt. HOW LONG a military occupation is McCain talking about? Another two years? Another five? "Aslong as *IT* takes - without being able to explain what *IT* is? Ten years? Twenty? Who can say? - since noone has come up with a coherent definintion of what we are trying to acheive.
Like I said, the SDMS have had every chance on this thread to support Mccain's stated plans for his major foreign-policy issue - and have failed utterly.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/26/2008 11:19:17 AM
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You know, you need to find another hobby. If all you can do is twist peoples' words and skew them into your own reasoning, you are only roiling the waters. At first, a little of your trolling was kinda humorous. Now it's getting pretty tiresome. It's always the same needling, parsing, and one-upsmanship. Please try to contribute something worthwhile instead of trying to get us worked up. Please?
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Well, there you go.
Given every chance to support McCain, the soi-disant mcCain supporters (SDMS) on this Board could not bring yourselves to do it.
Given every chance to support Bush's war in Iraq, the SDMS collectively could not bring yourselves to do it. Given every chance to support McCain's intention and promise to continue the war for the foreseeable future, the SDMS could not bring yourselves to do it.
Given every chance to define the purposes of this war, the conditions for victory, the metrics by which we will be able to recognize victory, or a simple estimated timetable for acheiving either the (undefined) victory or any of the nonexistent milestones along the path, the SDMS were unable to acheive ANY of it.
The best anyone came up with was *McCain didn't mean a 100-year military occupation*, at best an evasion of the real issue, but even that individual was unable to explain exactly WHAT McCain was talking about if it wasn't that. Be that as it may, leave out the 100-year limt. HOW LONG a military occupation is McCain talking about? Another two years? Another five? "Aslong as *IT* takes - without being able to explain what *IT* is? Ten years? Twenty? Who can say? - since noone has come up with a coherent definintion of what we are trying to acheive.
Like I said, the SDMS have had every chance on this thread to support Mccain's stated plans for his major foreign-policy issue - and have failed utterly.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/26/2008 11:26:50 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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You know, you need to find another hobby. If all you can do is twist peoples' words and skew them into your own reasoning, you are only roiling the waters. At first, a little of your trolling was kinda humorous. Now it's getting pretty tiresome. It's always the same needling, parsing, and one-upsmanship. Please try to contribute something worthwhile instead of trying to get us worked up. Please?
-Dave
Another carry, another fumble. One more chance blown.
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RE: Reasons to vote for John McCain - 8/26/2008 11:35:25 AM
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He's less ungodly than Mr. Obama...
John
Excellent point John.
Thanks
RC
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