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Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 6:07:33 PM
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Evangel70
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Despite Assurances, McCain Wasn’t in a ‘Cone of Silence’
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: August 17, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. — Senator John McCain was not in a “cone of silence” on Saturday night while his rival, Senator Barack Obama, was being interviewed at the Saddleback Church in California.
Members of the McCain campaign staff, who flew here Sunday from California, said Mr. McCain was in his motorcade on the way to the church as Mr. Obama was being interviewed by the Rev. Rick Warren, the author of the best-selling book “The Purpose Driven Life.”
The matter is of interest because Mr. McCain, who followed Mr. Obama’s hourlong appearance in the forum, was asked virtually the same questions as Mr. Obama. Mr. McCain’s performance was well received, raising speculation among some viewers, especially supporters of Mr. Obama, that he was not as isolated during the Obama interview as Mr. Warren implied….
Interviewed Sunday on CNN, Mr. Warren seemed surprised to learn that Mr. McCain was not in the building during the Obama interview.
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This may explain why it took McCain 30 minutes to answer the same questions Obama took about 50 minutes to answer and why he was so quick to offer an answer even before it left Rick Warren's mouth.
If this is true, it would also confirm my statement that McCain's statements sounded very couched and rehearsed. It could be that most of McCain's answers were repeats (almost verbatim) of his town hall speeches. If the story is true, this reflects very badly on McCain's character.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 6:11:50 PM
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Dubya
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Rick Warren has already publicly disputed these allegations saying that it was impossible for McCain to hear any of the Obama interview.
He has been all over the media today stating that this story is fabricated.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 6:21:36 PM
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Hi neighbors. Can you say desperation? I knew you could...
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 6:37:51 PM
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henny
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I often wish I had my own "cone of silence" when I visit this forum.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 6:38:18 PM
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uh-huh...contrary to popular liberal opinion about Obama doing so very well in this forum, his campaign staff knows he looked unprepared, indecisive, and out of his depth, and this is something they've hoped to drum up to cast a pall over McCain's "victory". Anyone that has seen this forum now realizes why Obama doesn't want any town-hall meetings with McCain.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 6:42:21 PM
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Jhud
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uh-huh...contrary to popular liberal opinion about Obama doing so very well in this forum, his campaign staff knows he looked unprepared, indecisive, and out of his depth, and this is something they've hoped to drum up to cast a pall over McCain's "victory". Anyone that has seen this forum now realizes why Obama doesn't want any town-hall meetings with McCain.
So true. Not only that, but, apparently the Obama camp would now have us believe that on the way to the event John McCain heard the questions, was provided with answers, and memorized them is such a way that he could rapidly regugitate them the second he heard the appropriate questions asked - not only a cheater, but a very smart one with a very lively and capable mind. So much for the sleepy old man image.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 6:46:13 PM
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How did Rick know that no one in McCain's motorcade had the radio on?
Unless of course you're claiming that McCain's campaign staff was lying when they said McCain was on his way to the forum when Obama was being interviewed.
One more reason I would never vote for Obama - his followers are whiners extraordinaire.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 7:03:31 PM
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Here is the response from McCain's campaign manager (of course he is lying, except of course for the part where he states McCain was in a motorcade  )
Make no mistake: This is a serious charge. Andrea Mitchell is repeating, uncritically, a completely unsubstantiated Obama campaign claim that John McCain somehow cheated in last night's forum at Saddleback Church. Instead of trying to substantiate this blatant falsehood in any way, Andrea Mitchell felt that she needed to repeat it on air to millions of "Meet the Press" viewers with no indication that 1.) There's not one shred of evidence that it's true; 2.) In his official correspondence to both campaigns, Pastor Rick Warren provided both candidates with information regarding the topic areas to be covered, which Barack Obama acknowledged during the forum when asked about Pastor Warren's idea of an emergency plan for orphans and Obama said, "I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea;" 3.) John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot.
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This is irresponsible journalism and sadly, indicative of the level of objectivity we have witnessed at NBC News this election cycle. Instead of examining the Obama campaign's spin for truth before reporting it to more than 3 million NBC News viewers, Andrea Mitchell simply passed along Obama campaign conspiracy theories. The fact is that during Senator Obama's segment at Saddleback last night, Senator McCain was in a motorcade to the event and then held in a green room with no broadcast feed. In the forum, John McCain clearly demonstrated to the American people that he is prepared to be our next President.....
McCain Campaign Protests to NBC Over Mitchell's Cheating Claim
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 8:08:49 PM
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No, I don't think he cheated...
...and note...the candidates were given an advance notice of some of the questions:
And the New York Times Caucus blog details that Warren, aside from outlining in advance for Obama and McCain general topics he would cover, also told each well before the forum convened that he would specifically pose these queries: What is your greatest moral failing? What is America’s greatest moral failing? And who are the three people you rely on most for wise advice?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/the-john-mccain.html
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 8:23:57 PM
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At least Obama supporters aren't whining about not getting enough media coverage or stooping to mocking Christianity by calling their McCain the far right's messiah.
Well that's the amazing thing - Obama supporters are whining despite the fact that they are ahead in poll numbers, have more money, have the undying adoration of the press, and that Obama is considered to be an American savior by unquestioning followers.
They have all that, and a little old man shows the professor up in a straight-up forum, and still the Obama camp feels compelled to hurl scurrilous and unfounded accusations. Pitiful.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 9:53:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
One more reason I would never vote for Obama - his followers are whiners extraordinaire.
If we decided not to vote for any given candidate based on the whining of their supporters over petty meaningless issues, I don't think we'd be left with anyone to vote for at all.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/18/2008 10:58:03 PM
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If we decided not to vote for any given candidate based on the whining of their supporters over petty meaningless issues, I don't think we'd be left with anyone to vote for at all.
Perhaps, but I am not sure why the people who are winning are whining.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 6:34:30 AM
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ORIGINAL: wing2000
No, I don't think he cheated...
...and note...the candidates were given an advance notice of some of the questions:
And the New York Times Caucus blog details that Warren, aside from outlining in advance for Obama and McCain general topics he would cover, also told each well before the forum convened that he would specifically pose these queries: What is your greatest moral failing? What is America’s greatest moral failing? And who are the three people you rely on most for wise advice?
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/08/the-john-mccain.html
That makes sense - I thought McCain's answers to those specific questions came too quickly and wondered how he could have come up with them on the spot like that. Regarding America's moral failing, he gave nearly the exact same answer that Obama did and for wise people - who would come up w/ Meg Whitman w/o being coached?
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 7:36:06 AM
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Hi neighbors. Can you say desperation? I knew you could...
LOL! Yep.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 9:50:28 AM
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On Hannity's radio program yesterday Rick Warren confirmed that McCain was with Saddleback staff AND Secret Service the entire time, and that the monitor in the green room used by McCain had been completely disconnected and taken offline the day before. Pastor Warren was absolutely confident that McCain had no access to the forum questions.
Second, Pastor Warren had given BOTH candidates the first two questions to prepare for, and a third question was given to Obama but NOT to McCain. So, I guess maybe you could say it was Obama who "cheated" because he knew what three questions were going to be and McCain only knew two.
This is all silly anyway. I could have sat up there an given similarly rapid answers to all of the questions, because I know where I stand in just about every issue. It is fairly obvious that McCain simply knows what he is about and easily answered the questions. That is what happens when you already know what you believe and where you stand on issues and don't have to create a position on the spot. Obama had to "uhhhh" and "uuuuum" all over the place because he has no core and was probably coming up with positions on the spot, trying to make sure his answers didn't contradict the other three different answers he may have given to the same questions in the past.
As Jack pointed out, even IF McCain had heard the ENTIRE hour of questioning, it is pretty impressive that he was able to memorize them all and formulate immediate responses while sitting in a green room for thirty minutes....
I am not an avid McCain supporter, but it is pretty obvious that he spanked Obama so hard that someone ought to call Social Service's messiah abuse hotline.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 9:56:42 AM
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Man, I love this. Obama's supporters are so convinced of his perfection in every circumstance that they know the only possible way for McCain to have was the evening was for him to "cheat".
Fact, Obama sucks when taken of the teleprompter. It's been demonstrated time and time again, and as others have pointed out, it's why Obama is in no great hury to do town hall style meetings with McCain.
Just to reiterate, I am NO fan of John McCain, but in this instance, he carried the day, and rightfully so. Obama supporters should just get over themselves and pray that The Chosen One does better in their next encounter....
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 10:04:24 AM
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Rick Warren has already publicly disputed these allegations saying that it was impossible for McCain to hear any of the Obama interview.
Impossible? Give me a break. Two words: cel phone.
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Regarding America's moral failing, he gave nearly the exact same answer that Obama did and for wise people - who would come up w/ Meg Whitman w/o being coached?
Very good point, Dan.
Nevertheless, the Saddleback forum was a good appetizer for the real meat of the head-to-head presidential debates next month.
I think it also gave both candidates an opportunity to refine their messages for those events: what tactics need improvement, what do not, etc.
< Message edited by todd_t -- 8/19/2008 10:11:33 AM >
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 10:10:06 AM
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McCain doesn't even know how to use the internet, do you really think he is tech-savvy enough to use a cell phone to somehow watch Obama or access the questions?
Plus, as I already typed, McCain was surrounded by Saddleback staff and Secret Service. Oh, wait, I forgot. Rick Warren covered it up and swore his staff to silence on the issue because he is an evil right wing conspirator who wants Obama to lose. Silly me.
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