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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 1:30:32 PM
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davemiller7
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It is incredible, the lengths to which the leftists will go to try to discredit McCain because he trounced their golden boy in a debate! Accusations that he cheated, the Secret Service cheated, Rick Warren cheated............. All because your Obamessiah didn't win the day with his folksy charm, women fainting in the audience, and empty rhetoric, because he has little, if any, core values.
But I guess it's in keeping with the George Bush cheated Al Gore out of the 2000 election with the help of the Supreme Court, and he cheated John Kerry in the 2004 election with the Swift Boat conspiracy. Keep it up, leftists. The more you do, the more you strengthen our resolve.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 1:39:21 PM
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It is incredible, the lengths to which the leftists will go to try to discredit McCain because he trounced their golden boy in a debate! Accusations that he cheated, the Secret Service cheated, Rick Warren cheated............. All because your Obamessiah didn't win the day with his folksy charm, women fainting in the audience, and empty rhetoric, because he has little, if any, core values.
But I guess it's in keeping with the George Bush cheated Al Gore out of the 2000 election with the help of the Supreme Court, and he cheated John Kerry in the 2004 election with the Swift Boat conspiracy. Keep it up, leftists. The more you do, the more you strengthen our resolve.
-Dave
Actually, and speaking solely for myself, I haven't accused McCain of cheating. The closest thing to that is that I have expressed a regret that the evening was managed in a way that leaves open the possibility.
All parties will know better next time.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 1:46:50 PM
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Jhud
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Actually, and speaking solely for myself, I haven't accused McCain of cheating. The closest thing to that is that I have expressed a regret that the evening was managed in a way that leaves open the possibility.
All parties will know better next time.
I haven't accused him, I only want people to have that impression so as to undermine his fine performance...
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 2:41:41 PM
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Actually, I have direct proof that prior to going on stage, McCain put a ferret in his pants to help keep him awake during Rick Warren's questions
Todd, we rarely agree on stuff, but you just gave me the best laugh of the day...thanks, I needed that! 
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 2:43:50 PM
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You're welcome.
Ferrets are comedy gold, but also very, very sneaky....
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:19:37 PM
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Jhud
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Actually, I have direct proof that prior to going on stage, McCain put a ferret in his pants to help keep him awake during Rick Warren's questions.
Apparently, the plan worked brilliantly
Yes, if this is what ferrets do for him, I hope he has a four year supply.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:23:08 PM
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But what if the ferrets are imported from Saudi Arabia?
Does McCain have no plan to wean America off is addiction to foreign pants weasels?
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:26:58 PM
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But what if the ferrets are imported from Saudi Arabia?
Does McCain have no plan to wean America off is addiction to foreign pants weasels?
Of course, McCain plans to drill (in unused prairie dog holes) for our own domestic ferrets, who have been jobless since Bob Dole retired.
Not in Alaska of course.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:29:18 PM
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Actually, and speaking solely for myself, I haven't accused McCain of cheating. The closest thing to that is that I have expressed a regret that the evening was managed in a way that leaves open the possibility.
All parties will know better next time.
I haven't accused him, I only want people to have that impression so as to undermine his fine performance...
"Straw man" is your favorite, isn't it? have a ball with it, but remember, "bearing false witness" is a mortal sin.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:35:53 PM
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"Straw man" is your favorite, isn't it? have a ball with it, but remember, "bearing false witness" is a mortal sin.
Hey, if a logical fallacy is a splinter in one's eye, then I am afraid you've got a sequoia sticking out of your face.
But you might want to leave it be, I here those things are endangered.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:38:31 PM
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Absolutely no indication that McCain "Cheated" except in the vain imaginations of the liberal left. Yhose imaginations became rampant when McCain came across is "In tune" and "On the mark", quickly responding to question with great forthrightness; and Obama came across as a postoer child for the "Mentally challenged". He said "Uuuhhhhhh", stumbled, stuttered, and paused so much it was embarrassing.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:38:56 PM
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"Straw man" is your favorite, isn't it? have a ball with it, but remember, "bearing false witness" is a mortal sin.
Hey, if a logical fallacy is a splinter in one's eye, then I am afraid you've got a sequoia sticking out of your face.
But you might want to leave it be, I here those things are endangered.
Your admission of the use of the 'straw man' fallacy is accepted - you did realize that you just admitted it, don't you? by the way, since you have now accused me of making the same error, would you care to point it out?
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 3:45:11 PM
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Jhud
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Your admission of the use of the 'straw man' fallacy is accepted - you did realize that you just admitted it, don't you? by the way, since you have now accused me of making the same error, would you care to point it out?
You are familiar with the meaning of the two letters 'i' and 'f' when put together? It's a conditional, commonly used in the English language as in, "If it were the case that, then...yada, yada, yada.."
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 4:00:59 PM
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Absolutely no indication that McCain "Cheated" except in the vain imaginations of the liberal left. Yhose imaginations became rampant when McCain came across is "In tune" and "On the mark", quickly responding to question with great forthrightness; and Obama came across as a postoer child for the "Mentally challenged". He said "Uuuhhhhhh", stumbled, stuttered, and paused so much it was embarrassing.
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I've got to, to, <choke, gag, gasp>.....
agree with you preacher.
Here's the thing.....Even if Pastor Warren didn't give the two an idea of the types of questions he was going to ask, surely knowing the venue, they both must have had some idea of some of the subject matter that would be brought up. For example, they both HAD to know a question about abortion would be asked. So, each one should have studied and rehearsed and been prepared to fire off a quick response - even if it was a bald faced lie or misrepresentation (do you really think McCain would ask John Lewis and Meg Whitman for advice during a crisis? And the story of the 3 million spent to study the DNA of bears, he voted FOR that bill). They should have had stories prepared, humourous one-liners, nice catchy phrases - and they should have been delivered on time and without hesitation. Quite frankly, Obama missed the boat.
"Above my pay grade"? Now that was bizarre. That's definitely bumper sticker material.
But all that being said, all he needs is to put a dent in the white evangelical Christian vote, cause none of y'all were going to vote for him anyway - none of you ever vote for democrats. If he can win 20 percent of that vote, it still will be an improvement from what past democratic candidates have done.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 4:12:50 PM
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But all that being said, all he needs is to put a dent in the white evangelical Christian vote, cause none of y'all were going to vote for him anyway - none of you ever vote for democrats. If he can win 20 percent of that vote, it still will be an improvement from what past democratic candidates have done.
Well, while it is true I never vote for Democrats (well at least not since the early '80s when I thought they were too conservative) this at least should tell you I have nothing personal against Obama.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 4:15:30 PM
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rcjames
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Here's the thing.....Even if Pastor Warren didn't give the two an idea of the types of questions he was going to ask, surely knowing the venue, they both must have had some idea of some of the subject matter that would be brought up.
Thank you as that just emphasises my point that Obama should have been able to answer the questions without all the hemming and hawing, uuuuuhhhhhs, and pauses. He really comes across as a bumpkin without a telepromter and some time to learn his lines.
It just serously concerns me that he just might be trying to make life and death decisions for all America.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 9:26:38 PM
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I have to admit great disappointment in seeing certain people on the left perpetuating a completely unsubstantiated charge by making up conspiratorial scenarios whereby McCain somehow surreptitiously acquired the answers.
Like I said in the general debate folder, if you assume the other guy is a liar (or cheater) then the issues cease to matter – because whatever that person says about the issues is irrelevant.
This is true, and it definitely works both ways, as I'm sure you're aware (so I hope you share equal disappointment when it's coming from the other direction).
I think something like McCain's ad a few weeks ago in which he accused Obama of not visiting the troops in Germany because he "couldn't bring photographers with him" -a claim which lacked any evidence whatsoever given that Obama never had any intention to bring photographers with them- is another example.
I think if more people would check this sort of approach to politics when it happens, it might change things for the better. But I unfortunately think that most people in this country see politics as a blood sport in which the ends always justify the means. I think people usually forget that most of the time people from differing political stripes usually only are democrats or republicans because they sincerely believe that this is what's right, not because they are wicked reprobates who want to somehow spread their evil throughout the world. Which is why I think things get so personal, and politics often consists more of demonizing the opponent then selling one's own positions.
And unfortunately, this sort of politics seems to work, and it seems to be what people respond to, so I don't see it going away anytime soon.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 9:36:13 PM
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Obama had to "uhhhh" and "uuuuum" all over the place because he has no core and was probably coming up with positions on the spot, trying to make sure his answers didn't contradict the other three different answers he may have given to the same questions in the past.
One could just as easily argue that those same words indicate he's actually thinking about the question, rather than just reciting mildly-related portions of his stump speeches.
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I am not an avid McCain supporter, but it is pretty obvious that he spanked Obama so hard
It wasn't obvious to me. That sort of quick-response recitation of talking points turns me off. I'm attracted to a candidate who appears to actually think about a question and respond to it; one who appreciates the nuance and complexities of various issues.
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 9:46:51 PM
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It wasn't obvious to me. That sort of quick-response recitation of talking points turns me off. I'm attracted to a candidate who appears to actually think about a question and respond to it; one who appreciates the nuance and complexities of various issues.
Exactly.
I am waiting for the first real debate when the questioner has follow-up questions when the candidate avoids answering the original question (though with Tim Russert gone, I'm not sure who can play that role). We'll see how they both do then....
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RE: Did McCain Cheat? - 8/19/2008 9:55:32 PM
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It wasn't obvious to me. That sort of quick-response recitation of talking points turns me off. I'm attracted to a candidate who appears to actually think about a question and respond to it; one who appreciates the nuance and complexities of various issues.
-Dan.
This is a good point.
You do get the sense with Obama, real or not, that he's actually speaking his own words and coming up with answers on the fly, as oppossed to just reciting rehearsed catch phrases that people will want to hear (which is refreshing after 8 years Bush, whose people had him on such a short leash, that you never got the sense he was speaking for himself as much as just reciting the rehearsed messages of the day).
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