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RE: Obama's Vote on IL Born Alive Protection Act - 8/20/2008 7:02:31 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Because the way some pro-lifers tell it, one would think these procedures occurred all the time. And I somehow doubt that's the circumstance.
What's is even more strange is that those who support Mr. Obama(and his stand on aboriton) believe this is some feather in his cap....
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Further, if a child is born "alive" from a botched abortion, does that mean the mother automatically loses all parental rights, and the he/she becomes state property?
She should, right? Trying to kill the child should be a least consider some form of child abuse?
Btw... Mothers raise their children, they don't pay someone to kill them... It's insulting to those mothers who love and raise their children to use the term on one who has as much regard for a child as a wart...
John
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RE: Obama's Vote on IL Born Alive Protection Act - 8/20/2008 7:11:52 PM
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todd_t
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I realize most may dismiss the following out of hand due to its sourcing, but it provides further details as to Obama's IL state voting record on this matter, and in regards the stories of the Federal and state versions of this legislation being "identical."
"Unlike Obama in Illinois, Sen. Hillary Clinton voted to support the [2002 federal] bill," [pro-life advocate and McCain supporter Deal] Hudson wrote earlier this year. "In fact, the bill passed the Senate 98 to 0 with pro-abortion senators like Boxer (D-CA) and Reid (D-NV) supporting it. In 2003, the bill was introduced in the Illinois legislature for the third time and directed to a committee chaired by Obama, Health and Human Services. They refused to bring the bill to a vote. Only when Obama left for Washington in 2005 did the Born Alive Infant Protection Act pass the Illinois legislature. It's for good reason Barack Obama has been called 'the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.'"
One significant problem with Hudson's logic is that it requires comparing apples to oranges. The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/04/the-next-smear-against-ob_n_116891.html
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RE: Obama's Vote on IL Born Alive Protection Act - 8/20/2008 7:37:13 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: todd_t
I realize most may dismiss the following out of hand due to its sourcing, but it provides further details as to Obama's IL state voting record on this matter, and in regards the stories of the Federal and state versions of this legislation being "identical."
"Unlike Obama in Illinois, Sen. Hillary Clinton voted to support the [2002 federal] bill," [pro-life advocate and McCain supporter Deal] Hudson wrote earlier this year. "In fact, the bill passed the Senate 98 to 0 with pro-abortion senators like Boxer (D-CA) and Reid (D-NV) supporting it. In 2003, the bill was introduced in the Illinois legislature for the third time and directed to a committee chaired by Obama, Health and Human Services. They refused to bring the bill to a vote. Only when Obama left for Washington in 2005 did the Born Alive Infant Protection Act pass the Illinois legislature. It's for good reason Barack Obama has been called 'the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.'"
One significant problem with Hudson's logic is that it requires comparing apples to oranges. The Illinois and federal bills differed not only in language, but regulatory impact. Critically, the Illinois version of the bill that Obama opposed was also bundled with other proposals that would have put doctors at risk of prosecution, which led the Illinois State Medical Society to oppose the measure along with Obama. The state bill also carried greater influence in terms of enforcement, since states had been granted greater leeway in regulating abortion practices ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1992 ruling in the case of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/04/the-next-smear-against-ob_n_116891.html
Heaven forbid those who murder should be justly dealt with...
John
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RE: Obama's Vote on IL Born Alive Protection Act - 8/21/2008 2:03:20 AM
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ljmac
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One of the arguments Obama excusers are taking on this is to act like Obama would never approve of hurting a child. Sort of like this, "You can't be serious to suggest that the senator wouldn't care about a baby." But that's exactly right.
There is no doubt that Obama disagreed with the Supreme Court's ruling that permits banning partial birth abortion. In other words, like many Democrats, he believe strongly that it should be legal to suck the brains out of a baby during birth.
If someone believes in actively attacking almost entirely born babies, then why not believe in neglecting that same baby a few moments later? Essentially Obama is saying, "I don't believe in neglecting babies, I believe in attacking them."
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RE: Obama's Vote on IL Born Alive Protection Act - 9/2/2008 3:02:34 PM
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ta_mosquito
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I'm combining some threads that are alike. Please continue this discussion HERE.
Thanks!
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