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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 10:02:26 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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It never ceases to amaze me how some folks are willing to bend over backwards to spin McCain's faults as excusable and yet not be able to use the same grace for Obama. 
It is called 'hypocrisy' and of course the practioners will deny they are doing it.
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 10:14:11 AM
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No, it has to do with Obama being a much more shady character than McCain. You won't find very many on the right who are excited about McCain, rather viewing him as the only option that will stop a disastrous Obama presidency. The lesser of two evils, if you will.
That being said, it was mentioned earlier either in this thread or another here in the Election forum that the difference between McCain's moral failings and Obama's is that McCain had some one-time events that happened quite awhile ago, things that aren't ongoing, plus he has demonstrated a pretty strong character in many other ways. Obama, on the other hand, continues to be a bold-faced liar on a daily basis, and continues to profess Christ even while demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of Scripture and making a mockery of Christ by his continued approval of things such as slaughtering children and unjustly taking money from those who have earned it.
Bottom line, Obama is one of those unrighteous rulers that the Bible warns about, while McCain is at least just and fair.
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 10:18:49 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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No, it has to do with Obama being a much more shady character than McCain. You won't find very many on the right who are excited about McCain, rather viewing him as the only option that will stop a disastrous Obama presidency. The lesser of two evils, if you will.
That being said, it was mentioned earlier either in this thread or another here in the Election forum that the difference between McCain's moral failings and Obama's is that McCain had some one-time events that happened quite awhile ago, things that aren't ongoing, plus he has demonstrated a pretty strong character in many other ways. Obama, on the other hand, continues to be a bold-faced liar on a daily basis, and continues to profess Christ even while demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of Scripture and making a mockery of Christ by his continued approval of things such as slaughtering children and unjustly taking money from those who have earned it.
Bottom line, Obama is one of those unrighteous rulers that the Bible warns about, while McCain is at least just and fair.
"It is called 'hypocrisy' and of course the practioners will deny they are doing it. "
See?
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 10:27:41 AM
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Sorry guys, I just can't bring myself to vote for McCain. I'm not sure what the answer is... but all these questions about McCain's character. I'm not an Obama fan, however, on the question of marriage he does seem to have a long-term, loving Christian marriage.
He does have a sweet, long-term, loving wonderful Christian marriage and believes in the Christian values of legalized infanticide. I'm sorry, that is low, but morality? That is a laughing joke if one was to believe that Obama has higher moral standards than McCain. One is pro-life and the other is pro-death. Which is more moral?
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 10:33:12 AM
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No, it has to do with Obama being a much more shady character than McCain. You won't find very many on the right who are excited about McCain, rather viewing him as the only option that will stop a disastrous Obama presidency. The lesser of two evils, if you will.
You hit on *exactly* why I'm voting for McCain.
I am not thrilled about McCain, but I would choose him over Obama any day if only to keep Obama out of the WH.
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 10:37:01 AM
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I will settle for getting 60% of what I want with McCain as opposed to getting 0% with Obama....
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 11:08:37 AM
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Rockwall
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I will settle for getting 60% of what I want with McCain as opposed to getting 0% with Obama....
Agreed. I will take that 60% over 0% any day. Even though the next president MIGHT only be in there for a 4 year term, the Supreme Court appointees will be there for lifetime-terms. That is an issue we have to remember also.
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 11:12:56 AM
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Another major difference is that no one on the right considers their candidate a messiah.
it is xxxxxxxxxx (later changed to "incorrect") incorrect to state that the 'Obama/messiah' linkage initiated from anyone in the Obama campaign, when it was the McCAin campaign which first used the term and then started using it in their ads.
"In 2007 the talk show queen Oprah Winfrey would allude to Miss Jane Pittman and hail Obama as ‘the one’, later prompting the Republican candidate John McCain’s campaign to accuse him of hubris and even mock him for having a messiah complex. A McCain internet ad this month intoned, ‘It shall be known that in 2008 the world will be blessed. They will call him “The One”.’ "
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 11:31:17 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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Another major difference is that no one on the right considers their candidate a messiah.
it is mendacious to state that the 'Obama/messiah' linkage initiated from anyone in the Obama campaign, when it was the McCAin campaign which first used the term and then started using it in their ads.
"In 2007 the talk show queen Oprah Winfrey would allude to Miss Jane Pittman and hail Obama as ‘the one’, later prompting the Republican candidate John McCain’s campaign to accuse him of hubris and even mock him for having a messiah complex. A McCain internet ad this month intoned, ‘It shall be known that in 2008 the world will be blessed. They will call him “The One”.’ "
Just 2 days ago, Nancy Pelosi declared Obama to be God's gift to America.
Last I heard, Nancy is a Democrat.
It is also irrelevant to state who started the 'Obama/messiah' linkage. I never made that assertion. The fact is that his followers seem to be believing it.
Is it difficult to backflip while moving goalposts, or is it a skill you have acquired with practice?
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 11:46:27 AM
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Sorry guys, I just can't bring myself to vote for McCain. I'm not sure what the answer is... but all these questions about McCain's character. I'm not an Obama fan, however, on the question of marriage he does seem to have a long-term, loving Christian marriage.
Are you telling me you're considering Obama a great candidate for President because he's had what appears to be a long term loving "Christian" marriage (I use the term Christian very loosely)?
Surely, you are not serious. If that's the best qualification, let's write in James Dobson for President! He's been married longer!
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Lessor of 2 evils - 8/21/2008 2:09:58 PM
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You won't find very many on the right who are excited about McCain, rather viewing him as the only option that will stop a disastrous Obama presidency. The lesser of two evils, if you will.
Using your logic, the lessor of 2 evils is STILL EVIL. You're basically saying that voting for one of satan's minions is better than voting for satan himself.
McCain has commited himself to continuing President Bush's failed policies. It doesn't get more disasterous than that.
Vote for whomever you want because you agree with their political policies, but don't fool yourself into thinking one candidate is less "evil" than another. God doesn't rank sin and the bible teaches that ALL sin will separate us from God.
As wisely posted by another previously "You're not voting for the leader of the baptist church" but rather for a SECULAR position.
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Republicans and Abortion - 8/21/2008 2:16:22 PM
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That is a laughing joke if one was to believe that Obama has higher moral standards than McCain. One is pro-life and the other is pro-death. Which is more moral?
If Obama were going around slaughtering children, he would be in a prison cell somewhere. What many pro-lifers seem to be missing is that NO POLITICIAN forces girls and women to have abortions. Why are pro-lifers not going after the "murderers" themselves?!?
You kid yourself if you think the republican party is going to do ANYTHING to reverse Roe v. Wade. The only thing that will stop abortions is going to be putting girls and women in jail. Why are pro-lifers not supporting that and lobbying their congressmen to do that? We can build more jails.
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 2:19:02 PM
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Evangel70
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Another major difference is that no one on the right considers their candidate a messiah.
Are you kidding me?!? It's the right who came up with the idea of calling Obama the messiah. Have you seen the McCain attack ads? It's not like you have the Obama campaign claiming that he's their messiah.
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 2:28:03 PM
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Another major difference is that no one on the right considers their candidate a messiah.
Are you kidding me?!? It's the right who came up with the idea of calling Obama the messiah. Have you seen the McCain attack ads? It's not like you have the Obama campaign claiming that he's their messiah.
Nancy Pelosi declared him to be a gift from God to America.
LINK. From this link: "The salty 62-year old Chris Matthews of MSNBC puts the phenomenon of Obama on the good book scale, telling the NY Observer that "I’ve been following politics since I was about 5. I’ve never seen anything like this. This is bigger than Kennedy. [Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament. This is surprising.”
Doesn't matter who started it. Seems like prominent Democrats are buying into it. Do you?
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RE: Republicans and Abortion - 8/21/2008 2:33:35 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Why are pro-lifers not going after the "murderers" themselves?!?
You kid yourself if you think the republican party is going to do ANYTHING to reverse Roe v. Wade.
Question and answer back-to-back! The left makes sure of it. We cannot go after the murderers because you do not allow it by your votes.
The right wing in this country had the Congress for fourteen years and a Republican president for six of those, yet NEVER introduced any legilation to outlaw abortion to any degree. Not because they couldn't have gotten it passed - which means that they must NOT HAVE WANTED it to pass.
WHY don't Republicans work at putting their votes where their campaign slogans are? Because they realize that it's the greatest tool they have to get re-elected, and outlawing abortion would lessen their chances - and the oh-so-clever Pro-Life voters in America keep choosing to be suckered by this shameless manipulation.
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RE: Saddleback, McCain's deceptions and his infidelity - 8/21/2008 2:35:50 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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it is mendacious to state that the 'Obama/messiah' linkage initiated from anyone in the Obama campaign, when it was the McCAin campaign which first used the term and then started using it in their ads.
It really is uncool to call ones who argue against you liars without giving proof. Even with proof, do you think that is true? We all come to post lies? You yourself spoke of Oprah making statements a year ago.
I posted proof - did you not see it, or just chose to ignore it?
By the way, if you care to check my profile, I've only been a member here for about two weeks - which means that your 'year-ago' statement is either intentionally or unintentionally incorrect. Take your pick.
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