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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 1:02:26 PM
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todd_t
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Perhaps if he had gone somewhere where his service hadn't so directly served his political ambitions, I would be a tad less skeptical.
With hindsight, of course, being 20/20.
In other words, how do you know that Obama went to Chicago with political aspirations in mind, or didn't develop them over time after he got there?
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 1:05:04 PM
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todd_t
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You know, I would much rather have a President who didn't know how many houses he had than a President who doesn't know when life begins.
Then I take it you're opposed to in-vitro fertility clinics? They discard unused embryos on a regular basis.
What's worse? That or abortion? Or are they morally equivalent, in your view?
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 1:15:14 PM
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Jhud
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With hindsight, of course, being 20/20.
In other words, how do you know that Obama went to Chicago with political aspirations in mind, or didn't develop them over time after he got there?
I am sure they were developing over time - but the reality is Obama was looking for ways to exert power - in Chicago he was basically a student of the Saul Alinsky model of organization (which should tell us something of his politics and goals) and when organizing little guys proved not to be sufficient to his ends, he moved on to bigger and better things.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 2:08:38 PM
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...and a cynic could say the same of McCain's military service.
The fact is, neither of them probably had any idea they would one day run for political office when they made the decision to serve.
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I don't think John McCain 'chose' to go to the Hanoi Hilton at all; and he certainly didn't build a political base of support from there, or gain political benefactors who would fund his ambitions. Not at all comparable.
I wrote: "...when they made the decision to serve."
That has nothing to do with what occured after John McCain signed his military contract.
The point is each candidate made a decision to serve at a time when they could have chosen other, presumably more lucrative options in life. And I believe neither John or Barack was thinking they may one day serve in Congress or as POTUS.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 2:11:14 PM
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I am sure they were developing over time - but the reality is Obama was looking for ways to exert power - in Chicago he was basically a student of the Saul Alinsky model of organization (which should tell us something of his politics and goals) and when organizing little guys proved not to be sufficient to his ends, he moved on to bigger and better things.
....reality or your obvious opinion?
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 2:22:13 PM
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....reality or your obvious opinion?
Reality for sure.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 2:34:01 PM
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....reality or your obvious opinion?
Reality for sure.
Thanks
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Then it shouldn't be very difficult for you to find evidence to support the claim.
I'll wait.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 3:09:35 PM
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....reality or your obvious opinion?
There is a pretty good treatment of the connection between Alinsky and Obama here.
Interestingly, I thought this quote by Alinsky's was pretty pertinent considering Obama's typical rhetoric and campaign strategy:
"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families - more than seventy million people - whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default."
Saul Alinsky - Rules for Radicals
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 4:02:14 PM
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....reality or your obvious opinion?
There is a pretty good treatment of the connection between Alinsky and Obama here.
Interestingly, I thought this quote by Alinsky's was pretty pertinent considering Obama's typical rhetoric and campaign strategy:
"There's another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevsky said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families - more than seventy million people - whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don't encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let's not let it happen by default."
Saul Alinsky - Rules for Radicals
Half an analogy is less than zero.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 4:28:52 PM
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Jhud
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Half an analogy is less than zero.
To quote Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 4:48:12 PM
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wing2000
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.... shall we psycho analyze why he signed up in the Navy? ;p
Really Jack...it rather obvious you want to divert attention away from McCain's small gaff...but I'm not sure it merits all the 'inisightful' energy you are devoting to it.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 4:50:40 PM
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Really Jack...it rather obvious you want to divert attention away from McCain's small gaff...but I'm not sure it merits all the 'inisightful' energy you are devoting to it.
It's Friday, a good time for a diversion.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 7:39:57 PM
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ManimalX
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Half an analogy is less than zero.
To quote Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
HAHA! That was the funniest thing I have read or heard all week. Princess Bride quotes = priceless.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/22/2008 11:48:20 PM
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At least they take care of their family. How is NObama's brother doing by the way? Oh that's right, he lives on $1 a month while his famous brother lives in a million dollar home stumping across the country saying that the country’s greatest moral failure is not doing enough for its underprivileged.”We still don’t abide by that basic precept of Matthew — whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me,”
Bo not taking care of his brother still does not take away from
Americas Moral Failure! It remains the same.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/23/2008 12:04:06 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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At least they take care of their family. How is NObama's brother doing by the way? Oh that's right, he lives on $1 a month while his famous brother lives in a million dollar home stumping across the country saying that the country’s greatest moral failure is not doing enough for its underprivileged.”We still don’t abide by that basic precept of Matthew — whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me,”
Bo not taking care of his brother still does not take away from
Americas Moral Failure! It remains the same.
It surely places Mr. Obama in high place of hypocrisy when speaking of America's moral failure...
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/23/2008 12:38:10 PM
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Americas Moral Failure! It remains the same.
I disagree. As has been pointed out on so many threads already America is the most generous nation. They give more to the UN food program than any of the oil rich countries. Christian missions are abundant and working all over the world and locally.
But you want to continue to ignore what America is doing so you can continue to denounce us as the big bad capitalist greedy nation. So be it.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/23/2008 12:53:04 PM
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I'm late to this thread, but...so what? Who cares how many houses John McCain owns, or if he can remember them all (although anybody could see he was just defelecting the question, of course he knows).
I think it's great the the American dream has worked so well for McCain that he can have so much.
But if the left can play the wealth envy card, rest assured that they will....
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/23/2008 1:38:38 PM
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Speaking of generosity... it appears the McCains house Cindy's elderly aunt in their house in La Jolla, CA. Several other properties are for their children, with a few investment properties filling in the remainder. The McCain's actually only reside in two: a condo in Phoenix, AZ and a house in Arlington, VA.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/23/2008 2:09:46 PM
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I am sure the libs will note that Cindy's aunt and the McCain children are not "the least of these".
Regardless, it is good to see the generous heart of the McCains.
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/23/2008 2:16:10 PM
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wing2000
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I am sure the libs will note that Cindy's aunt and the McCain children are not "the least of these".
Why would that be a "liberal" observation?
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RE: How Many Houses? - 8/23/2008 2:30:18 PM
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I was just launching a preemptive strike. Our point was that the McCains are generous and take care of their family. The liberal job is then to show how they really aren't that generous. Then our job is to do as Dubya did, and show that the the McCains are generous and take care of their family.
Wow, we just bypassed an entire three pages of discussion!
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