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:: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 8:07:36 PM
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There are a wide variety of techniques used by leaders of the Counterfeit Revival to work followers into altered states of consciousness. One of the most disarming methods used is to sing one song over and over until participants finally lose touch with reality.
Counterfeit Revival leader Rick Joyner confessed that at one of his conferences participants sang one song "for over three hours." As a result he said, "the gulf between heaven and earth had somehow been bridged." Joyner reports that "when that one song finally ended some of the musicians were lying on the floor." Says Joyner:
"I looked at Christine Potter and Susy Wills, who were dancing near the center of the stage and I have never seen such a look of terror on the faces of anyone. An intense burning, like a nuclear fire that burns from the inside out, seemed to be on the stage. Christine started pulling at her clothes as if she were on fire, and Susy dove behind the drums. Then a cloud appeared in the center of the stage, visible to everyone, and a sweet smell like flowers filled the arena."
Likewise, Brownsville Revival evangelist Stephen Hill required worship leaders to play the same music over and over again during the infamous first day of revival Father's Day, June 18, 1995. Leaders like Joyner and Jill see man's mind as a lower form of consciousness.
Thus, like eastern gurus, they work their devotees into altered states of consciousness. Joyner, in fact, says that "experience is a much better teacher than words." In stark contrast, Dr. Elizabeth Hillstrom warns that altered states of consciousness can be an open invitation for demonic deception:
"Having largely set aside their ability to think rationally and critically or to exercise their will, they have become hyper suggestible, which means that they are likely to accept any "spiritual truth" that enters their minds. Even more remarkably, they seemed to be primed for mystical experiences and may attach great spiritual significance to virtually any event or thoughts, no matter how mundane or outlandish. Seeking mystical experiences through altered states, as defined here, looks like an open invitation for deception."
Whether in cults or churches, the objective of achieving an altered state of consciousness is always the same: to dull the critical thinking process because the mind is seen as the obstacle to enlightenment. As the worship leader of the Brownsville Assembly of God, Lindell Cooley, prophesied, "The Lord is saying, 'I'm bypassing your mind and going straight to your heart.'.... The heart is what matters to the Lord."
John Arnott and the late founder of the Vineyard movement, John Wimber, were explicit and concise: "God offends the mind to reveal the heart."
Counterfeit Revival guru Rodney Howard-Browne explains that "you can't understand what God is doing in these meetings with an analytical mind. The only way you're going to understand what God is doing is with your heart."
Thus, while Howard-Browne allows his subjects to make nonsensical sounds, he prohibits them from praying. On one occasion, as a woman was about to lapse into an altered state of consciousness, she became apprehensive and called out to God in prayer. Immediately Howard-Browne commanded her to cease. "Would you listen to me?" He shouted indignantly, "If your praying had helped, it would've helped you; now get laughing."
Even while people are lined up waiting to receive his touch, Howard-Browne commands them not to pray: "Now people in the lines, wait for me to come and lay hands on you, and don't pray, please don't pray."
He addresses those who insist on praying as "stubborn people" adding, "People come trying to be all serious and praying. No! This is not the time to pray. This is not a prayer meeting; get in the joy; you can pray on the way home."
Like Rodney Howard-Browne and leaders of the Counterfeit Revival, the late Indian guru Baghwan Shree Rajneesh denigrates the mind, going so far as to say that the "goal is to create a new man, one who is happily mindless."
Rajneesh's experiences "on the road to enlightenment produced temporary insanity, possession, and almost killed him.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 8:16:14 PM
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Rajneesh's prescription for attaning this new consciousness is a process referred to as "dynamic meditation." Dynamic meditation is used to subjugate the critical faculties of idealitistic devottes to the will of the "Master."
Mindlessly they pray in unison until the hushed moaning of their mantras fills the ashram. Sanskrit songs of praise are sung to the accompaniment of rhythmic clapping.
At the subtle suggestions of the "Master" they engage in repetitive physical motions to complete the process of becoming mindless.
Some jump up and down furiously and chop their hands frantically through the air. Others throw their heads backward and forward violently and bend wildly at the waist.
Alternately they laugh and sob uncontrollably. Their frenzied behavior produces a mind-altering form of hyperventilation, which dulls the critical thinking process and empties the mind of coherent thought. In the end they personify Rajneesh's rendition of the "mindless man."
As shocking as it may seem, what was once relegated to the ashrams of the cults and the occult is now replicated at the altars of churches.
In the ashrams of the cults there is no pretense.
Despite such dangers as possession or insanity, Hindu gurus openly encourage trance states through which devotees tap into realms of the demonic and discover their "higher selves."
Whether they experience involuntary movements of encounter illusory monsters, all is written off as progress on the road to enlightenment.
When Jack Kornfield, a western psychologist seeking eastern enlightenment, suddenly and involuntarily began flapping his arms like chicken's wings for two solid days, he was simply instructed to contemplate his experience.
When followers of the Counterfeit Revival have even more bizarre experiences, they are seduced into believing that they have simply overdosed on the Holy Ghost.
What Hindu gurus like Baghwan Shree Rajneesh characterized as a trance state, Holy Ghost bartenders like Rodney Howard-Browne characterize as being "drunk in the Spirit." John Arnott is even more crass. He calls it being "marinated in the Holy Spirit."
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 8:33:04 PM
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When Jack Kornfield, a western psychologist seeking eastern enlightenment, suddenly and involuntarily began flapping his arms like chicken's wings for two solid days, he was simply instructed to contemplate his experience.
Doing the Chicken Dance
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 8:35:05 PM
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When I first visited the Anaheim Vineyard, the drunken behavior of the devotees instantly took me back to Rajneesh's ashram. A member of John Wimber's family stood at the altar, testifying that the power of God was upon her as she jerked spasmodically in what her father referred to as a chicken walk.
It wasn't long before others had joined her in jerking while rhythmic clapping and repetitive choruses filled the auditorium with sound.
Before the evening had ended the crowd was engaged in the very practices Rajneeh devotees use to achieve their altered states of consciousness. Some were jumping up and down furiously, chopping their hands frantically through the air.
Others were violently throwing their heads backward and forward and bending wildly at the waist. One woman looked as though an invisible hand had grabbed her and was shaking her like she was little more than rag doll. All this while, sardonic laughter punctuated by animal noises rose eerily from the bodies writhing on the ground.
Later, when I visited the Airport Vineyard in Toronto, the sights and sounds I experienced were even more shocking.
One of the participants was in such a profound altered state of consciousness that even when people tripped over him on the way to the bathroom he remained oblivious.
Counterfeit Revival leader John Arnott says that people are acting "like lions and oxen and eagles and even warriors." Arnott admits that people are deeply frightened by these experiences, but maintains they are divine rather than demonic.
The problem, according to Arnott, is that we have been conditioned to believe "that the Holy Spirit's a gentleman" who would never do anything "rough or impolite." That, says Arnott, is simply "not true!"
Counterfeit Revival leader Wes Campbell recalls that during a Wimber Vineyward conference a man named David was merely playing the piano when suddenly:
"He was seized by the Spirit like a rag doll and just shaken and bounced like a jackhammer, violently... and then he was thrown to the ground, just thrown to the ground... His glasses were knocked off, his nose was pushed to the side, his ears pinned."
Campbell says that this encounter was so violent that David had to be taken to a back room to be checked for demons. During a subsequent meeting David again was decked by the divine:"Next thing this big - it's like the fist of God just comes right down on his head and goes bang! right on his head. I saw his whole head just snap."
When Campbell's own wife was suddenly seized, he was so scared, he started screaming. For the first six months, Campbell says, "I was scared to go home with her at night! I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding... The slightest little thing would set her off. The slightest thing. For the first year the slightest thing would set her off."
The behavior of the Holy Spirit was so out of control that, as Campbell puts it, "we didn't want to let Him out of the back room."
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 8:38:29 PM
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When Jack Kornfield, a western psychologist seeking eastern enlightenment, suddenly and involuntarily began flapping his arms like chicken's wings for two solid days, he was simply instructed to contemplate his experience.
Doing the Chicken Dance
Hmmm..
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 8:40:26 PM
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True revival will only follow true repentance.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 8:44:54 PM
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Today what was once relegated to the "back room" is center-stage in the Counterfeit Revival. Thousands testify to "getting drunk" and personally experiencing powerful psychological and physical manifestations.
These experiences are so "real" that many key evangelical Christian leaders are convinced that they cannot be explained apart from the power of the Holy Spirit.
Tragically, many of them are dangerously ignorant of the striking parallels between their experiences and those of Eastern meditators who achieve altered states of consciousness through occult practices.
As has been well documented from studies of the world of the occult, the dangerous effects may involve depression, detachment, depersonalization, disillusionment, and many equally serious disorders.
Like devotees of the Counterfeit Revival, counterparts in the world of the occult testify to experiencing a variety of troubling physical manifestations in the aftermath of their encounters.
As I have repeatedly warned leaders of the Counterfeit Revival, God is not obligated to protect people from the consequences of unbiblical behavior.
Whether one is a Christian or a cultist, the consequences of swallowing cyanide are identical.
Likewise, whether someone works himself into an altered state of consciousness in a cult or in the church, the destructive effects are the same. Despite repeated warnings, Counterfeit Revival leaders such as John Arnott, Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn, and a host of other Holy Ghost pretenders have been unwilling to reconsider their destructive doctrines and practices.
Instead, they have become masters at employing peer pressure to maintain their current following as well as to attract new followers.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 9:52:49 PM
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Today what was once relegated to the "back room" is center-stage in the Counterfeit Revival. Thousands testify to "getting drunk" and personally experiencing powerful psychological and physical manifestations.
There is truth to that. 20 years ago in my neck of the woods holy rollers were something you made jokes about. Now it's kind of tame. They were also rare the laughers though are much more prevelant.
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When I first visited the Anaheim Vineyard, the drunken behavior of the devotees instantly took me back to Rajneesh's ashram. A member of John Wimber's family stood at the altar, testifying that the power of God was upon her as she jerked spasmodically in what her father referred to as a chicken walk.
I bolded what I want to talk about. My biggest pet peeve about the entire Toronto thing and what you mentioned is when people say they do those things under the power of or because of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can make us do nothing. People do this because they choose to. This is sometimes translated into people being credited as being spiritual or close to God or something when they do these things. This wouldn't bother me so much if people would just be honest and say I do this because I choose to. If the "spirit of prophecy is subject to the prophet" I am sure the same applies to the spirit of the chicken, the spirit of the laugh track, etc.
Since all of this stuff isn't being done because of the "Holy Spirit" making anyone do it I have always just written it off as "flesh". Interesting paralells though.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/24/2008 9:58:54 PM
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One of the facets of the fruit of the Holy Spirit is self-control. How these individuals blow this off I do not understand.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/25/2008 8:36:50 AM
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The Only Command is to Love God and others. The first fruit of The Spirit is Love. Therefore how is it that one would be loving others to subject some to public humilition and talk that they are experiencing evil? How can those that are evil say anything Good?
How do you reconcile that one of the fruits is self-control, not a lack thereof to things that have been seen in the occult for centuries?
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/25/2008 8:40:50 AM
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The Only Command is to Love God and others. The first fruit of The Spirit is Love. Therefore how is it that one would be loving others to subject some to public humilition and talk that they are experiencing evil? How can those that are evil say anything Good?
Down on the list of fruits of the Spirit is "Self Control". If one is led by the Spirit then one can excercise self control and not have to do all of the things mentioned like the chicken walk.
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When Jack Kornfield, a western psychologist seeking eastern enlightenment, suddenly and involuntarily began flapping his arms like chicken's wings for two solid days, he was simply instructed to contemplate his experience.
Doing the Chicken Dance
I watched this _all_ the way through and now I am a... mindless ...zombie....cluck...cluck....
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/25/2008 4:47:52 PM
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YES,,,,!!!!! I saw the same show... It was horrible and I even taped part of it... My husband and I both sensed evil coming from Benny Hinn.... You are so right in describing his voice and actions.. I shudder even thinking of it.. We both sensed we were witnesses of a take over by an evil spirit. Anyone who has any doubts needs to see this show.... I would advise to pray
for protection if you do. He comes right out and puts a curse on anyone who says a word against this so called move of God. I still can't get the sound of his voice and his look out of my head.... truly a very frightening thing to see.
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The Benny Hinn program I taped off of TBN was not on the Praise the Lord program, but was Benny's own show. And you'all are right -- he's really been taken over by something ugly.
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Thank you so much for your response. I was alone when I saw this on TV and I was beginning to wonder if I really saw what I thought I saw.
When Benny told Paul and Jan about his own children fearing him when he was under the anointing this Scripture came to mind:
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This is what I see happening when I hear what is coming out of the mouths of many who profess to be "anointed":
2 Thessalonians 2:7: For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. 16: Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
I believe the Word is not only warning us about the "Antichrist" to come, but the "antichrist" spirit that abounds in the world today.
I pray brothers and sisters that you will hold fast to the "truth" which is in Christ Jesus.
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The Trash Broadcasting Network (TBN) show you wrote about that featured Hinn aired on Fri. Because of your report I made myself watch the rerun Monday. You are so right. he was channeling an evil spirit. Hinn felt he needed to prepared the people for this video clip and warned them about what they would see and hear. His concern was that "less mature" Christians would not understand why he was strongly cursing people. He even said that this "anointing" was very scary to him.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/25/2008 4:56:40 PM
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So you're saying that any and all things done under the guise of the Holy Spirit are indeed genuine movements of the Holy Spirit? What is the litmus? Is it not the Word of God?
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/25/2008 5:23:19 PM
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LOL!! Those that opposed Moses were under The Holy Spirit when they prophesied. The Spirit is The Word of God also is written guiding us into all Truth which is Christ Jesus. All they purported to do was to take over the leadership; but God is in Control of all things. Therefore, He can send anyone to prophecy and perform miracles through, but one must love the sound Gospel Doctrine. He can show up through anyone on earth for any purpose; and especially through The People of Faith.
And sound doctrine is the last thing one can find with the likes of John Wimber, Arnott, Todd Bentley, Benny Hinn, etc..
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The Litmus is discernment through The Spirit of God which is The Spirit of Truth.
The litmus is the Bible, Scripture, the Word of God. We have no excuse to be biblically illiterate.
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Gd made all creatures and can make donkey's prophesy if he wants to is written. Therefore, God can raise up children out of rocks is what John the Baptist said. Save yourselves, then, from this wicked greedy and adulterous generation in making every effort to enter The Kingdom of God with unspotted clothes that remain clean pressed and The Oils sown to The Spirit to spare for the lamps given so that one may be found ready to receive The Most Holy Prince of The Covenant of God. He will be like a lauderers soap and refiners fire and He will only gather the wheat into His Barn as He is The Great Reward for His reward are among those With Him.
That's great but has little to do with the topic at hand.
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The collection of Scriptura is not, itself, apart from seeing the Kingdom, The Word of God;
It's not? The Bible disagrees. So what other writings and books should we consider to also be Word of God?
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for the Word of God is Alive among the earths people and active. These groups are very active in exhurberant phenomenon, yet the doctrine of each person is personal is what revelation teaches us.
Really? So you accept Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses as Christians as well? The core essentials of Christianity are absolute and not a matter of being just your interpretation.
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Each account for their own sins. Not the sins of any 'so-called' 'leadership' who appears to be up front to gain themselves something many times; rather than God. But God will be The Judge of the motives of the peoples.
Each of those supposed leaders are different and they cannot be compared to each other is what Paul taught us. Why propose, also, that you will throw out the babies because of someone else's unused bath water? There are wheat and tares and God commanded not to tear the tares out until the final harvest at the end of the age.
Near the end of His public ministry, Christ found it necessary to cleanse the temple once again. The exposure of false doctrines and practices is a never ending job. At that time He said, "Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves" (Mark 11:17).
Is it any different today? The thieves come into the house of God, and rob God's people of the Bible and peddle their perverted Bibles instead. At the same time this den of thieves rob the people off the doctrine of separation and the doctrine of sanctification. Then you can hardly tell God's people from the people of the world. In all honesty, should not these thieves (false teachers) be exposed?
In our day these false teachers have come into the churches with their books, literature, movies, psychology, and seminars, and have turned the Father's house into a den of thieves. It is time that men of God stand up and expose their errors for all to see.
God calls us to judge all things in light of Scripture - to sound the alarm - and to cling to His Word. God bless.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 8/25/2008 11:38:01 PM
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Also, Saul had no control when God's Spirit made him undress and lie naked prophecying.
It doesn't say that at all. The spirit came upon Jonah and he didn't prophecy until after he had been in the whale. 1 Corinthians 14:32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.(NIV) If Saul didn't want to he didn't have to and the passage you mentioned doesn't say one way or the other. Using Scripture as my plumbline there is no reason I can see that Saul *had* to do what he did. (1 Samuel 19:23 and 24)
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There were 100 propehsying in the days of Moses, of whom some later rebelled against Him and were swallowed up by the ground just as the ground will swallow up the river that the Dragon will spew at New Jerusalem Israel during the three and one half year period of the tribulation as written.
Where does it mention that Korah and his buddies were prophets?
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