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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/15/2008 1:25:38 PM
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GHitch
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Thank you reading some (all?) of the posts and for contributing your two cents. When you're willing to actually discuss that which falls when tested in light of Scripture.. then please let me know.
As for there being an "anti-Charismatic' nature.. please do know that I was a Pentecostal pastor for many years and many of here are indeed of the background that you think we're not.
For all those who answered my post as well as earthless.
From all the answers I've seen to my post, thus far it's nothing but self-protection and focusing on a minor detail.
All you've done is focus on one little statement at the end and ignored the rest.
Did I say I think you are all anti-charismatics? No. I made a generalization from my own experience.
As for 'test in the light of scripture' - mere 'bashers' are already off-center 'in light of scripture'.
I have my own issues with all these 'revivals' and movements but I won't point fingers and make accusations based on the little I've actually seen with my own eyes and certainly I don't know any of these people personally.
Not gonna start a bashing thread for it. No more than I would start one against king David though he certainly deserved it. He still remained the Lord's anointed.
I suggest you read Gene Edwards "A tale of two kings" - see if you can get through it.
Nothing is easier or more common in the modern church than sitting back and pointing fingers of accusation along with the accuser. Any idiot can do it.
I also mentioned that each denomination has it's own ideas on the light of scripture and therefore some will bash and others will rejoice - all pointing to the same events. So you can bash and others can rejoice - it goes nowhere.
Get used to it - that's the way it works in a severely divided Church. It is that very division that we all tend to ignore that is the crucial point of weakness today and the reason why the church is so ineffective and why there are so many lame exo-movements, pseudo conversions and pseudo-revivals.
But has anyone at all excused Bentely (or anyone else) for immoral behavior? Or blindly approved everything he did? Not that I'm aware of.
You publicly accuse Joyner, for ex., of being a "Counterfeit Revival leader" - I say you're wrong. So who's right?
Nor you nor I - God knows. I suggest you contact him in person and tell him to his face what you believe and why - see how far you get.
You also say, "Thus, like eastern gurus, they work their devotees into altered states of consciousness. Joyner, in fact, says that 'experience is a much better teacher than words'. ... Hillstrom warns that altered states of consciousness can be an open invitation for demonic deception"
1) your comparison to eastern gurus is foolish and unjustified and just where is Joyner stating he's looking for altered state of consciousness? In your view, was Paul's 3rd heaven experience and altered consciousness or not? How bout the disciples on the mount of transfiguration? Or Moses, or Elijah, or .....? You obviously don't know the difference between divine revelation in visions and altered states.
2) the last part is certainly true and well know to all teachers everywhere
I could go on and on pointing out your erroneous iterpretations of the words of these people but what's the use. You know!
You think you're testing in light of scripture and so does every one who supports these 'revivals'. Baptists think they test to scripture and so do pentecostals, lutherans, anglicans, and all 33000+ others. Yet division rules and divided we fall. Even the JW's think they test to scripture (but clearly don't)
Keep on playing church and judge if you please all while ignoring all the 'other' scriptures on grace, mercy, fairness, reservation, modesty, evil speaking, judging others and accusing elders.
"Judge righteous judgment" - not according to appearances or personal religious prejudice.
That's all I'm saying.
BTW, Being a pastor (pick yer denom.) hardly impresses anyone these days, least of all me since I've seen so much abuse and stupidity among so many it's nuts. Even just recently I had to get a pastor who, while being praised and supported by so many, was found to be guilty of highly inappropriate sexual behavior towards the young girls in the church - kicked out.
Sad.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/15/2008 1:55:03 PM
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But has anyone at all excused Bentely (or anyone else) for immoral behavior? Or blindly approved everything he did? Not that I'm aware of.
There are many who have. Documentation has been presented in other threads.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/15/2008 1:59:17 PM
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BTW, Being a pastor (pick yer denom.) hardly impresses anyone these days, least of all me since I've seen so much abuse and stupidity among so many it's nuts. Even just recently I had to get a pastor who, while being praised and supported by so many, was found to be guilty of highly inappropriate sexual behavior towards the young girls in the church - kicked out.
Sad.
Sad indeed!!!!
I commend you.
But by the form of chastisement you are giving us,
by those terms, you are "merely pointing" fingers at that pastor?
We have to look at the whole picture. The whole counsel of God.
Oh, Welcome to Crosswalk.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/15/2008 2:34:09 PM
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Well, let's get this straight. You have nothing to offer but criticism and actually ignored what people wrote back to you by doing what you say we did. You just would like to wipe the whole slate and yet you have nothing, absolutley nothing to offer.
There really is no mystery to being able to judge what is or is not of God.
The reason that it has become so supposedly difficult is because people mix the truth with error.
The following is hardly just a generalization. If it were, people would not have responded the way they have.
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My experience tells me that most "revival" bashing is done by the same folks who bash anything of any charismatic nature. A little heart searching might be appropriate for them.
The following is also very revealing:
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Get used to it
Get used to it? God Himself will not put up with it, but we should get used to it? False prophesy was one of the major downfalls of Israel in the OT and it is now fast becoming one of the major downfalls of Christianity as we experience it today.
Actually, the false prophets....the self-appointed ones which are the majority of those opening their mouths these days, are the ones that are playing church. God detests the lies that come out of their mouths. He has not told them to speak. They are liars and do not speak for God. They do not reprove sin and encourage righteous living. They encourage each other in their lies and tickle the ears of those who do not love the truth. God has not said or told them to say what they speak. Every single one of them is accountable before God for scattering the sheep and fleecing the sheep and polluting the water and desecrating the table of the Lord.
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Keep on playing church and judge if you please all while ignoring all the 'other' scriptures on grace, mercy, fairness, reservation, modesty, evil speaking, judging others and accusing elders.
So, God says be Holy because He is Holy...and yet we should tolerate the lies in the unlikelihood there may some truth in there. Very promising. You are deceived if you think it is Ok to accept what you think is good and throw out what you think is not good.
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"Judge righteous judgment" - not according to appearances or personal religious prejudice.
Let us then start to do so by admitting that what passes for revival is in fact, in most cases, no more than hysteria, godless posturing, false visions and reams of ungodly prophecy that never comes true.
Revial basing? No, just good honest discernment.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/15/2008 3:11:19 PM
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Ah, the irony.
I believe my pretty long posts in the first two pages of this thread do a lot more than simply focus on a single statement made by John Arnott.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/16/2008 11:26:09 AM
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One of the many gems my Inbox receives on a daily basis: This is regarding one of my posts about Todd Bentley/Lakeland
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pastor, you sound like one the 'white' pastors who sat on the fence during the slave trade, avoiding admiting that black slaves had equal right as white or the pastor who is now 90+ crying his eyes out on the net, that when he was a pastor in germany hsi chruch was based near a railway line and on sunday morning during service the train would pass and they could hear the jews women and children crying for help and he would tell his congregation to sing louder to drown out thier cries - so carry on being a hyprocrite - your worse then bentley at least he stepped up, you bi__h behind the scenes and now you've come out when its 'safe' - what a man of God you are - or maybe your a women of God.....stop bi__ing and shutup....todd was for real, God is for real and it people like todd who mess up and march forward - every prophet of God was chased down by satan as was Christ himself but all were declared victorious - fault and all nailed to the cross - satan will have his victory here but
Christ will return to nail him and lukewarm gutless tw_ts like you, who play safe - maybe Jesus will spu you out like the lukewarm whip you are...when i came to lakeland i thank God i didn't visit you church - the last we christains need is undecided weak leaders. Todd messed, so did King David - both have a heart after God own - warts and all maybe but a heart after God's own and we learn till the end of out days for God has no end. Be patient and kind and God will not mind. Be hard and unkind and God will belt your hind!"
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Well, good morning to you too sir.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/16/2008 3:27:31 PM
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Earthless,
Unfortunately there are many people that are like that. It's as if as long as there is some truth all the falsehood is ignored. Never mind that fact that people who come to the Lord in meetings like this have a view of God that is waaaayyyyy off. The only people to disciple them is other people that believe nonsense and falsehood. So you tell a one such as this that a prophet must be correct 100% of the time and that ______________ is wrong in what they teach they will tell you, "Touch not God's anointed."
I guess I'm lukewarm too because I don't bark like a dog, oink like a pig, etc., think gold teeth means something godly, run around, shaking on the ground, etc.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/17/2008 9:10:36 PM
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Well, good morning to you too sir.
How do you think I feel you caught my bogus IP! :X
Er, wait, nm... I didn't say that. :P
Isn't the days of e-mail worse for the Earthless? I mean I would guess a church or church figure would get way more of that kind of thing now then they would have 20 years ago when they actually had to mail and leave messages on the answering machine at like 4 in the morning. : /
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/18/2008 11:43:28 AM
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One of the many gems my Inbox receives on a daily basis: This is regarding one of my posts about Todd Bentley/Lakeland
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"Author : raj (IP: )
E-mail : rajb1@hotmail.com
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Whois : http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=86.12.119.230
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pastor, you sound like one the 'white' pastors who sat on the fence during the slave trade, avoiding admiting that black slaves had equal right as white or the pastor who is now 90+ crying his eyes out on the net, that when he was a pastor in germany hsi chruch was based near a railway line and on sunday morning during service the train would pass and they could hear the jews women and children crying for help and he would tell his congregation to sing louder to drown out thier cries - so carry on being a hyprocrite - your worse then bentley at least he stepped up, you bi__h behind the scenes and now you've come out when its 'safe' - what a man of God you are - or maybe your a women of God.....stop bi__ing and shutup....todd was for real, God is for real and it people like todd who mess up and march forward - every prophet of God was chased down by satan as was Christ himself but all were declared victorious - fault and all nailed to the cross - satan will have his victory here but
Christ will return to nail him and lukewarm gutless tw_ts like you, who play safe - maybe Jesus will spu you out like the lukewarm whip you are...when i came to lakeland i thank God i didn't visit you church - the last we christains need is undecided weak leaders. Todd messed, so did King David - both have a heart after God own - warts and all maybe but a heart after God's own and we learn till the end of out days for God has no end. Be patient and kind and God will not mind. Be hard and unkind and God will belt your hind!"
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Well, good morning to you too sir.
Thanks eartless, this was so arrogantly ignorant, it was a very good laugh.
Or, was it ignorantly arrogant?
******This also proves true an article I posted in the Prophecy thread,
"When Prophecy Fails." They just ignore the facts and dig in deeper.
< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 9/18/2008 11:51:08 AM >
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/19/2008 2:10:26 AM
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******This also proves true an article I posted in the Prophecy thread,
"When Prophecy Fails." They just ignore the facts and dig in deeper.
I followed that excellent link, and the article it links to will probably show up in my qualification exams in another few weeks. We communicate to create our social reality, and to sustain it. When that which we communicate turns out to be false, rather than admit we were wrong, we try to entice more folks to join our community.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/19/2008 11:50:44 AM
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That article was quite an eye-opener for me as well.
And it applies to so many areas in our lives and personalities.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/19/2008 12:59:26 PM
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You publicly accuse Joyner, for ex., of being a "Counterfeit Revival leader" - I say you're wrong. So who's right?
The Word of God says he's a "Counterfeit Revival leader". He is a DOCUMENTED false apostle, false prophet and heretical Latter Rain proponent.
That doesn't even take into account the fact that he claims to hold an office that ceased in the first century
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/19/2008 3:52:09 PM
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That doesn't even take into account the fact that he claims to hold an office that ceased in the first century
Show us where it says it ceased.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/21/2008 12:39:55 AM
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That doesn't even take into account the fact that he claims to hold an office that ceased in the first century
Let's stay on topic. Many pentecostal Christians of orthodox Christian faith have room in their worldview for missionaries / church planters, yet also smell a whiff of brimstone around the Toronto / Brownville / Lakeland dog and pony shows.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/21/2008 10:10:07 PM
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As proficient as leaders of the Counterfeit Revival are in using peer pressure as a means of socio-psychological manipulation, they are equally expert in elevating the expectations of followers. Subjects are systematically programmed to believe they are poised to take over the socio-political systems of society.
According to Arnott, God is about to exact vengeance upon His adversaries and restore the church to its proper place. "Wouldn't it be wonderful" he muses, "if the Lord would start to move in power and restore the church to its proper place and make us the head and not the tail?"
Counterfeit Revival leader Bob Jones suggests that the star status of the leaders of the endtime church will be even greater than that of the Apostle Paul.
Despite the fact that Paul, under inspiration, penned two-thirds of the New Testament epistles, Jones tells devotees: "Paul will be more anxious to talk to the endtime apostles and prophets than the endtime apostles and prophets will be to talk to Paul, because what the prophets of this generation will do will be far greater than what he had done. The saints in the New Testament will wait in line to greet the apostles of this generation."
Subjects are led to believe that if they enlist in "Joel's endtime army" these promises will become living reality. Paul Cain claims that this army will be so potent and powerful that "no demon, no man system, no enemy will stop them or hinder or resist them."
Cain elevates expectations to a fever pitch by telling devotees that they will be "invincible"; that God is offering them a "greater privilege than was ever offered to any people of any generation at any time from Adam clear down through the end of the millennium;" and that they are "gonna have more than just a little omnipotent surge - you're gonna behold that glory and become that glory."
What Paul Cain called the "greatest revival of all times,' Randy Clark claims is now reality. He tells credulous Christians that "people are being raised from the dead and temples are being hit by lightning or fireballs and knocked off their things. It's all over. Germany and Africa. It's everywhere. God's doing it."
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/21/2008 10:20:50 PM
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Clark and Cain are not alone in circulating evangelistic stories. Rick Joyner, for example, elevates expectations by telling the faithful that "an eight foot by ten to twelve foot size mist" suddenly appeared in one of their meetings.
As mentioned previously, he claims that this experience was so vivid that one of the woman present, Christine Potter, not only saw "this cloud of the Lord" but felt "an intense heat, as though her clothes were on fire." According to Joyner, Christine was so hot it "looked like she was trying to remove her clothes in order to escape being burned."
Todd Bentley, the aforementioned Holy Ghost Man, has gone as far as to say that Jesus Christ appeared to him in Redding, California. Says Todd Bentley, "I had a face-to-face encounter with Jesus. It was real."
Bentley described Jesus as having "the brownest eyes that I'd ever seen. Kind of reminded me of the movie Bambi. Had these big brown eyes. He had long, brownish black curly locks that went down past his shoulders." According to Todd, "the brightest color that came from the Lord was pink - which is love and emotions."
The evang-elastic stories used to enhance the expectations of believers are now becoming so bizarre that it is a wonder that anyone still takes them seriously.
Charisma magazine, for example, has circulated a story entitled, "Holy Water' Triggers Healing Revival."
Followers of the Counterfeit Revival were told that plain old bottled water, when "blessed" by a charismatic Bishop, was suddenly transformed into "miracle water."
Those who drank this miracle water were not only so mightily touched that they "fell down under the power of God," but were also miraculously healed of such ailments as "cancer, tumors and heart disease."
Millions are reportedly hearing about the miracle water from secular sources.
Among them are "prominent politicians, celebrities and doctors," all attempting to acquire some of the miracle water for themselves.
Leaders of the Counterfeit Revival bank on the fact that expectations aroused by stories such as Charisma's "miracle water" or Clark's "resurrections" can give birth to a broad range of mystical experiences.
When they "slay" subjects "in the spirit," they bank on the fact that the expectations of their followers will give birth to the experience itself.
By way of illustration, almost everyone reading these words can successfully navigate the length of a common wooden plank resting on the ground. Suspend that same wooden plank between the twin spires of a cathedral and you have an entirely different proposition.
The very fact that you are now suspended hundreds of feet in the air naturally introduces the expectation of a possible fall. The notion of falling inevitably gives birth to the fall itself.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/21/2008 10:58:17 PM
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Hey Earthless, is it safe to say that you have problems with the whole charismatic movement in general? Not that I agree with all that some charismatics do, however I do not necessarily discount what one might say either though.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/21/2008 11:08:36 PM
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My problem with the charismatic movement is the high-jacking of the Greek word, charis, which simply stands for grace, Under this definition all churches should be charismatic because their members are grace-gifted.
A secular definition the world is used to define a slick politican who is able to use charm, looks, and the gift of gap to con an audience into believing that he really cares about their problems when the only cares about is getting elected.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/22/2008 7:30:36 AM
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Leaders of the Counterfeit Revival bank on the fact that expectations aroused by stories such as Charisma's "miracle water" or Clark's "resurrections" can give birth to a broad range of mystical experiences.
God does hand people over to a strong delusion, if they resist the truth long enough. We've known for more than a century that public education is not a legitimate choice for Christians. Still, 90% or so of us persisted in acting in defiance of readily-available information, deliberately blinding ourselves to the facts. This willingness to be duped has come back to bite us in the backside. We were willing to let Caesar play us for fools -- and now the merry pranksters are rising up out of our own midst.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/22/2008 8:11:03 AM
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Hey Earthless, is it safe to say that you have problems with the whole charismatic movement in general? Not that I agree with all that some charismatics do, however I do not necessarily discount what one might say either though.
No, that wouldn't be accurate. My problem is with the heretical aspects that have seeped in and taken root in many of our church circles.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/22/2008 9:03:45 AM
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God does hand people over to a strong delusion, if they resist the truth long enough. We've known for more than a century that public education is not a legitimate choice for Christians. Still, 90% or so of us persisted in acting in defiance of readily-available information, deliberately blinding ourselves to the facts. This willingness to be duped has come back to bite us in the backside. We were willing to let Caesar play us for fools -- and now the merry pranksters are rising up out of our own midst.
Your most recent post prior to this one asked another poster to stay on topic. Could you please do the same?
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/22/2008 6:24:48 PM
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Could you please do the same?
Delighted to oblige. That's what I'm doing. "the curse, causeless, does not come." Con artists normally exploit the larcenous intent of the mark's heart. Dupes are to some extent accountable for their own deception. People who have gone into deception, and returned to sanity, can usually tell, in retrospect, the turning point at which they suppressed the voice of conscience, the gentle restraints of the Holy Spirit, to do something they knew better about.
When a whole subculture is so pathetically vulnerable to massive deception, it's not just the charisma of the con artist. I suggest that a willingness to be deceived has deep, cultural, roots. A clear examination of the point of injury may indicate the road back to sanity.
Healthy cultures shrug off lunacy. Compromised cultures are vulnerable to opportunistic infections.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/22/2008 7:08:40 PM
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themoodyexperience
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Joined: 3/19/2008
From: Tuscumbia, Alabama
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ORIGINAL: earthless
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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit
Hey Earthless, is it safe to say that you have problems with the whole charismatic movement in general? Not that I agree with all that some charismatics do, however I do not necessarily discount what one might say either though.
No, that wouldn't be accurate. My problem is with the heretical aspects that have seeped in and taken root in many of our church circles.
I'm kinda in the same boat as Earthless. After I have a conversation with charasmatic friends and family, the usual replay is "Aren't you just against everything?" No, but when the heresies have so ingrained themselves in today's church, it seems that way.
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/23/2008 8:45:58 AM
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stateofgrace
Posts: 1994
Joined: 4/12/2005
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Could you please do the same?
Delighted to oblige. That's what I'm doing. "the curse, causeless, does not come."
OK that's it. Time for the block button, at least for me. Which is a shame, because if you didn't chose to get on a soapbox about that particular topic on just about every thread you're involved in, I wouldn't chose to block you. You have a lot to contribute to the conversation, but you apparently just want to keep pushing and pushing on that one topic instead of sticking to the topic at hand.
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America Needs Revival. Will you commit to pray for it?
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RE: :: Counterfeit Revival - 9/27/2008 3:24:04 PM
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humbleinspirit
Posts: 17860
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: Just Outside of Boston
Status: online
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ORIGINAL: themoodyexperience
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ORIGINAL: earthless
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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit
Hey Earthless, is it safe to say that you have problems with the whole charismatic movement in general? Not that I agree with all that some charismatics do, however I do not necessarily discount what one might say either though.
No, that wouldn't be accurate. My problem is with the heretical aspects that have seeped in and taken root in many of our church circles.
I'm kinda in the same boat as Earthless. After I have a conversation with charasmatic friends and family, the usual replay is "Aren't you just against everything?" No, but when the heresies have so ingrained themselves in today's church, it seems that way.
Okey dokie, duly noted!
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