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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:07:42 PM
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I have always said that it was a lesser of two evils vote...of course, i said that in a previous post, but you can ignore that if you want, pooh
Oh, I remember it.
Just think you're picking the greater evil with your eyes wide open.
Obama's the better man.
well, for what abortion is, i will gladly love to vote for someone wanting to save more of the unborn than the other.
McCain and Obama on Abortion
I think Obama would reduce the number of abortions in America.
I think McCain would get us embroiled in a contraceptive arguement that would fix nothing.
Gotta go! Long night of work ahead.
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Try again....
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:07:55 PM
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Just to be clear ....crystal! LOL
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:10:45 PM
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Just to be clear ....crystal! LOL
dude, to call yourself a Christian, and yet to discredit the Bible in places, is to take away the very footing on which you stand. you should study about the validity of the Bible. remember in John, where it says that the Word was in the beginning too. as well as Jesus Himself declaring a curse for those who add words to the Bible.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:15:03 PM
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Just to be clear ....crystal! LOL
dude, to call yourself a Christian, and yet to discredit the Bible in places, is to take away the very footing on which you stand. you should study about the validity of the Bible. remember in John, where it says that the Word was in the beginning too. as well as Jesus Himself declaring a curse for those who add words to the Bible.
Odd that you would mention that, since 75% of the New Testament was written following His last appearance in this world.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:19:56 PM
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Just to be clear ....crystal! LOL
dude, to call yourself a Christian, and yet to discredit the Bible in places, is to take away the very footing on which you stand. you should study about the validity of the Bible. remember in John, where it says that the Word was in the beginning too. as well as Jesus Himself declaring a curse for those who add words to the Bible.
Odd that you would mention that, since 75% of the New Testament was written following His last appearance in this world.
and those final words were in Revelations!!! get it right before falsely accusing..
or shall i ask you Swede, if you believe in the Bible...
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:26:38 PM
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Just to be clear ....crystal! LOL
dude, to call yourself a Christian, and yet to discredit the Bible in places, is to take away the very footing on which you stand. you should study about the validity of the Bible. remember in John, where it says that the Word was in the beginning too. as well as Jesus Himself declaring a curse for those who add words to the Bible.
Odd that you would mention that, since 75% of the New Testament was written following His last appearance in this world.
and those final words were in Revelations!!! get it right before falsely accusing..
or shall i ask you Swede, if you believe in the Bible...
So, the verses you quoted, of Jesus condemning those who would add anything to the Bible, were in fact written after Jesus's (temporary) departure from this world?
pardon me, but that is about as circular an argument as you can get.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:27:00 PM
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Jesus Himself declaring a curse for those who add words to the Bible. Just curious are you referring to Revelation where it states that it's a curse to add or subtract to "this" book? Well, if you are in the context that John was writing Jesus words he was referring to the book of the apocalypse..i.e. Revelation, since the cannon was not complete yet, there was no book at that time. So, in that context John who wrote what Jesus said was referring to Rev.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:28:44 PM
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YES! do you believe in the Bible, Swede? do you take the words of Jesus as the real thing? do you discredit them?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:32:43 PM
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YES! do you believe in the Bible, Swede? do you take the words of Jesus as the real thing? do you discredit them?
Mostly, yes, and no.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 4:35:16 PM
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Jesus Himself declaring a curse for those who add words to the Bible. Just curious are you referring to Revelation where it states that it's a curse to add or subtract to "this" book? Well, if you are in the context that John was writing Jesus words he was referring to the book of the apocalypse..i.e. Revelation, since the cannon was not complete yet, there was no book at that time. So, in that context John who wrote what Jesus said was referring to Rev.
true dat but you can not deny that the Bible is the Word of God. it wouldn't be wise to take away from that book, it would rather be foolish. But i will also let you know, that a lot of things in the Bible have multiple meanings. Perhaps, the referenced scripture...it could mean about all of the Bible or the book of Revelations, or both. We shall let the Holy Spirit guide us on this. Oh wait, we will not consider the Comforter because He is too legalistic...you see how stupid this is???
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 6:14:48 PM
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no brother I don't think it's stupid and the Holy Spirit is not too legalistic, it's some of Christ followers who make the Christian life much more difficult than it really is. Thats why so many Christians grow weary and throw it in. Of coarse i believe the bible is God's word, i believe it is infallible however, not all of scripture can be interpreted the same. Seeing as the scriptures contain so much different genre, one must recognize what portion he is reading....i.e. poetry, history, letters, hyperbole, ect, ect. Hermeneutics is essential to proper exegesis of the scriptures.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 6:52:15 PM
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Better get ready to be disillusioned. Win or lose, millions of Christians, maybe tens of millions, are going to vote for Obama - are you prepared to dismiss so many of your co-religionists, not to mention countrymen, out of hand as somehow not really Christian?
Millions of people who claim to be Christians... People can believe in New Age, many gods, God in any form they so choose and still be considered Christians... As well you have people who sit under homosexual leadership and claim to be of Christ... These days if you are not atheist and or agnostic you are a Christian... That's how low the bar is...
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 7:51:25 PM
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no brother I don't think it's stupid and the Holy Spirit is not too legalistic, it's some of Christ followers who make the Christian life much more difficult than it really is. Thats why so many Christians grow weary and throw it in. Of coarse i believe the bible is God's word, i believe it is infallible however, not all of scripture can be interpreted the same. Seeing as the scriptures contain so much different genre, one must recognize what portion he is reading....i.e. poetry, history, letters, hyperbole, ect, ect. Hermeneutics is essential to proper exegesis of the scriptures.
well, then you just basically went against your previous post by saying James is too legalistic...so which is it???
you can't deny it though when James is saying that your faith will show the works/fruit that has been born.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 8:56:14 PM
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you can't deny it though when James is saying that your faith will show the works/fruit that has been born.
Look dude, going back and forth with you guys has been quite entertaining and stressful at times. Nothing is worse than someone questioning my faith. That isn't Christian, it's rather insulting. I was a hardcore Republican/ Pro lifer for 14 years. I changed in 2004, mind you that I changed politically only. I think like alot of Christians on both sides that there must always exist a seperation of church and state.
Just look at Pat Robetson. The guy ends every show or used to by leading the sinners prayer, than a couple years ago was quoted saying that our military should send our Special Ops. to Venezuela to assassinate Chavez! I mean come on bro, where do we draw the line with fanaticism?
guys like Robertson, Falwell, Haggee, then you have Whack Jobs like Bill O' Reilly speaking for them too. O' Reilly! Thats like listening to Al-Queda(i'll never hear the end of this one). Anyways Bro, I appreciate your passion for Christ, but I am a Democrat, always will be, am a Christian, former Pastor, I know my position in Christ. Keep on trucking Brother but man, don't be so hateful just cause you don't agree with some folks, after all you gotta spend eternity with me, LOL! 
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 9:53:46 PM
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O' Reilly! Thats like listening to Al-Queda
Odd, I don't recall ever seeing O'Reilly sawing somebody's head off on video....maybe I just missed it...
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I think like alot of Christians on both sides that there must always exist a seperation of church and state.
That might be the case if it wre in the Constitution, (which it isn't) or if you can separate your beliefs from your political views (which most Christians rightfully do not)
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 10:15:19 PM
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That might be the case if it wre in the Constitution, (which it isn't) or if you can separate your beliefs from your political views (which most Christians rightfully do not)
I apologize, I wasn't aware God appointed you to speak for the majority of Christians. Nor was I aware that you were a historian, well Mr. History buff, you are right it may not be in the constitution, however our early leaders responsible for bringing us the Constitution, which you freely trample on were Staunch advocates of Seperation of Church and State. Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, ect.
Without that seperation of church and state it become a lil difficult to offer freedom of religion to protestant, catholic, muslim, hindu, ect. A religious governement doesn't work because of Extremism as you can see what most Islamic Countries go through....
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:24:16 PM
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A troll here. Rarely ever post because I get tired really fast with all the arguing here. But like a train-wreck I keepm coming back...
I have asked myself this question often, "How Could A Christian Support Obama?" Everything the Democratic Party stands for is anti-Christian. Take away the abortion and homosexual issues and still the Democratic Party is far from being biblical. Is it the government's duty to provide free health care for example? Isn't it the family's duty, then the church to take care of people according to the Bible? Isn't all these socialprograms your and my responsibility? To me the Democratic Party = The Crazy, The Lazy, & The Cowardly. I don't expect free handouts from the government and it isn't their responsibility to do so. We have social security and way too many wasted tax payers money programs that are abused. These are the Lazy. Expecting what the government is going to do for me.
The Crazies are like Michael Moore who expects the government to give us unlimited sick days with full pay. Like Cindy Sheehan who has a lack of understanding that one of the main purposes is to protect us, even if that means occupying foriegn soil before they occupy us.
The Cowardly. Look at all the protesterss. I have no problem with the past 4 years. Bush did the best he could in most terrible time in America's history. Obama is a coward. Negotiating with terrorists for peace is cowsardly and unbiblical. I expect my government to protect my family.
There is certainly a lack of discernment amongst my brothers here. I of course I have no idea if you are a Christian or not but I can judge you by your statements. Supporting Abortion is as low as you can get as a Christian. You need to repent and seek forgiveness from God and your brothers in the Lord. Humble yourself.
To many believe in the lies of the great deceiver (or do you not belive in the devil?) and based their interpretation of the Bible on their opinions and emotions. And telling us to read certain books by seminary professors holds no weight at all against 2000 years of traditional/biblical history. If you feel that Christianity and Christians are being legalistic then maybe Christianity isn't for you. There are plenty of "new age" religions that will support your views. I just hope your will realize the truth that the Bible is the word of God and Jesus is our Savior and Creator of the universe.
Repent of your sin of supporting such evil as a right for a woman to choose an abortion.
Attitudes must change, there must be maturity, and pray for discernment of God's truth.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:35:32 PM
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If you feel that Christianity and Christians are being legalistic then maybe Christianity isn't for you.
I'm sorry i didn't realize Christianity was some form of club? If it isn't for me? and by the way Genius, the only reason I would even reccomend any literature to thickheaded people is that too many people can quote the Word with out a clue of what they are quoting. How dare you make yourself to be Holier than any other Christian. How dare you question my faith! Not all Christians have the same views theologiacally, or politically So get over it Mr. You know thats a cute handle yo uhave there BlackHawk, on Fort Campbell we refer to them as CrashHawks!
On a side note, I support Barack Obama, but thats because Keith Olberman isn't running for President!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:44:47 PM
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A religious governement doesn't work because of Extremism as you can see what most Islamic Countries go through....
Nobody was or is advocating a Christian government. Where do you get your ideas?
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bringing us the Constitution, which you freely trample on were Staunch advocates of Seperation of Church and State. Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, ect.
And you accuse ME of getting personal? Whatever. Perhaps you can point me to the exact spot that I am trampling on the Constitution. I am all ears.
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thats a cute handle yo uhave there BlackHawk, on Fort Campbell we refer to them as CrashHawks!
Wow, that was clever... 
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:48:43 PM
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I would like to know where in the Bible does it says we have to vote?
the Democrat party are sinners because they like abortions and gay rights, are liberal(which the word is in the Bible 4 times, no conservative!)they are liars, all that.
the Republicans murder by the Death Penalty and the poverty the keep forwarding helping the very rich of this countrywhile starving millions of others in other countries, they are liars, they are warmongers, etc.
The Bible mentions the poor over 1000 times.
Murder about 11 times!
WE want our gov't to kill people for us on Death Row. But don't do what the Bible says and take care of the poor.
My choices are a man that will continue the policies AGAINST the poor.
And more war, the killing of innocents. And can do nothing to actually stop abortions.
OR I can choose a party that likes killing of innocents(abortion) but will help the poor, and wants to end the WAR.
I pick neither, nada, none of the above. I have that choice.
I believe that Bo is gonna win. Whenever I see Mccain um.... somethings gonna happen to knock him out of the race. Don't know what?!
I know this, whoever wins becomes king of Babylon, ruler over the ancient city of Babylon
and it's all Gods Will. Can't change none of it.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:48:52 PM
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Was my post solely directed to you? Did I question your faith? As I said I have no idea if you are a Christian or not, I can only judge your statements. And my post could have been addressing a number of posters here, not you personally. If your are supporting a woman's choice of abortion you are supporting evil and as a brother in the Lord I must warn you of your sin and you must repent.
There is certainly a lack of maturity in your post. No need for name calling and bad attitudes.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:52:04 PM
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I am all ears.
No Dude, you seem to be all mouth, or fingers as the case may be. I can see why so many Christians are Medicated.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:52:21 PM
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Was my post solely directed to you? Did I question your faith? As I said I have no idea if you are a Christian or not, I can only judge your statements. And my post could have been addressing a number of posters here, not you personally. If your are supporting a woman's choice of abortion you are supporting evil and as a brother in the Lord I must warn you of your sin and you must repent.
There is certainly a lack of maturity in your post. No need for name calling and bad attitudes.
The above post was obviously addressed to rcamejo01. Trying to get handle on all these buttons on the keyboard here!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:54:42 PM
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No Dude, you seem to be all mouth, or fingers as the case may be. I can see why so many Christians are Medicated.
So your answer would be, "No, sir, I cannot show you a single instance where you have trampled on the Constitution" Thank you very much.
Just some free advice, you are dangerously close to overstepping TOS...I would encourage you to engage in a little more discussion and fewer insults.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:54:53 PM
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Repent of your sin of supporting such evil as a right for a woman to choose an abortion.
Attitudes must change, there must be maturity, and pray for discernment of God's truth.
Well said, BlackHawkk. I know this is a hard truth to communicate, but it needs to be done and I commend you for doing so in a very black-and-white manner. People don't realize that we bring this message out of love, not hatred or a desire to "be right".
Secondly, I need to defend rc a little here. Gordon Fee is a pretty wise Bible scholar and the book rc recommended, "How to Read the Bible for all It's Worth", is an excellent book that any Christian would do well to read. I m actually taking New Testament Studies at Regent right now, and hope to meet Dr. Fee some time. I don't agree with EVERYTHING he says, of course, but he is very high on my list of respected Bible scholars.
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