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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 1:42:37 PM
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tafkam
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LOL. Their policies reflect that hatred. Everyday. I gave you specifics, you chose to ignore or not debate them. You can call them what you want, but a rose is still a rose.
Nahhh, you don't have to say it, I can discern for self.
So your answer is "No, sir, I cannot point to a single policy that the GOP has that actively discriminates against the poor, nor can I show you a single one of your posts that say that you personally hate the poor."
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On what Disney channel?
Well, I had hoped for a conversation with some substance but it appears I'm barking up the wrong tree.
Thank you, tracydolls.....next...
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 2:03:56 PM
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Bushs tax cuts for rich
Actually, since the Bush tax cuts, the rich are now paying a larger proportion than they did before, and ones with household incomes in the lower 20 % not only pay NO taxes ... but they get a "refund" from the government on money they DID NOT pay into ... see here
the link is from 2006 ... but the trend has continued in the same direction each year. Before the tax cuts of 2000, the lower 40% of household incomes paid no income tax. Rather than exclude these Americans, lawmakers used the tax code to subsidize them .... give them money from the government creating a negative tax ... in other words, not only did they not pay taxes, we STILL gave them a refund. First, lawmakers lowered the initial tax brackets from 15 percent to 10 percent and then expanded the refundable child tax credit, which, along with the refundable earned income tax credit (EITC), reduced the typical low-income tax burden to well below zero. As a result, the U.S. Treasury now mails tax "refunds" to a large proportion of these Americans that exceed the amounts of tax that they actually paid. All in all, the number of tax filers with zero or negative income tax liability rose from 30 million to 40 million, or about 30 percent of all tax filers.[Scott A. Hodge, "40 Million Filers Pay No Income Taxes, Many Get Generous Refunds," Tax Foundation Fiscal Facts No. 6, June 5, 2003, at www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/207.html ] The remaining 70 percent of tax filers received lower income tax rates, lower investment taxes, and lower estate taxes from the 2001 legislation.
They also lowered the capital gains tax across the board ... so when it comes to selling your house, there is no capital gains up to a house valued at 250,000 for singles and $500,000 for couples (this as in the beginning and may have become more favorable ... I don't own a house, but was a financial adviser at the time of the initial cuts and do remember the capital gains part in the early 2000s) this will go away which means anyone who sells there house will have to pay a tax on the gains, regardless of income.
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the peanuts we give in aid
"Washington — The United States is the single largest donor of foreign economic aid" see here
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the cutting of welfare
Welfare is the single most obstacle to living a full, productive life. I worked as a case manager right out of college, and most of my clients were on welfare. I was struck on how a high percentage of these families had been on welfare for generations, and how the children (young teen girls) were encouraged to get pregnant in order to bring more income into the household, because the government would pay them more. (I have some unbelievable stories ... I would not have believed had I not seen it with my own eyes) My job was to attempt to teach these families how to improve their job skills and interview, but most were not interested because they did not need to work to make a living. I was so concerned about the lack of values within the homes ... and the things that the children were learning at such a young age. These families not only abused the system, but taught their children to do so as well ... so trying to bring a new value of hard work and dreaming about doing something with your life was difficult at best. The problem with the old welfare system is it gives you a fish, but does not teach you to fish.
The reforms are actually a step in the right direction. We are now teaching them to fish, and the incentive is there is a limited time to receive benefits. Unfortunately, the old system was in place so long that the families who grew up on the system have grown (the children are now grown and in their separate households ... and receiving benefits) along with both legal and (a large # of ) illegal immigrants receiving benefits which are overloading the system ... namely the workers who are suppose to "teach the to fish" and get off the benefits. So the government is actually going in the right direction ... but I am not sure how you put a program in place that is able to change a way a person thinks ... which is what many of these families need.
I sometimes wonder if some members of the "party for the poor" see what a huge constituent they have in this particular population ... and feed them very eloquent sounding talking points about giving them greater benefits for the soul purpose of getting into power. I would hope that is not the case, and can in no way see into the heart of these politicians motivation for promoting such programs, and feeding the lie about how the poor have not benefited from the "Bush Tax Cuts" (when those go away, the old rate for the poor goes back up right along with the old rates for the rich) and there but it appears to be true from the outside.
As for the argument that the tax cuts did not help the economy here is a chart that clearly shows otherwise. And this was just after 9/11 that could have sent our economy into a talespin like we have never seen before.
We have had a hit recently due to the mortgage companies (some at least) lending 100 percent to people who could not afford to do so on houses that were overvalued at the time with flexible rates. The persons who stepped into this mess with the hopes of buying there first home probably did not understand all the ramifications that come with taking on such a loan. That combined with the rising gas prices which were bound to happen once the world consumption rate went up (which it has!!!) .... and we knew this was coming 15 to 20 years ago and did nothing ... which id the fault of both of the parties AND our own complacency in not insisting that something be done when we knew about the problem. We will probably have a similar crisis with social security, because unless we feel the effects of the problem, most of us are very comfortable in doing nothing.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 2:33:50 PM
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So your answer is "No, sir, I cannot point to a single policy that the GOP has that actively discriminates against the poor, nor can I show you a single one of your posts that say that you personally hate the poor."
****sign**** I listed some of those policies, again you choose strawmans.
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On what Disney channel?
Well, I had hoped for a conversation with some substance but it appears I'm barking up the wrong tree.
Thank you, tracydolls.....next...
Parsing posts don't do the trick either.
The responses was to someone else.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 2:37:05 PM
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Actually, since the Bush tax cuts, the rich are now paying a larger proportion than they did before, and ones with household incomes in the lower 20 % not only pay NO taxes ... but they get a "refund" from the government on money they DID NOT pay into ... see here
The rich should pay more, lots more. Still you have not shown how they help the poor.
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the peanuts we give in aid
"Washington — The United States is the single largest donor of foreign economic aid" see here
It's O.7 of the GDP when we stick to it, we usually don't.
Because a country gives a crumb of peanuts, we give them some shells and a peanut, we tout that? No, not this Christian nation.
It's peanuts compared to what was stolen.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 2:40:26 PM
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****sign**** I listed some of those policies, again you choose strawmans.
You listed DNC talking points...show me something in the GOP platform that discriminates against the poor, or states that any of us "hate" the poor. It's really a very simple request.
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The rich should pay more, lots more.
Why do you wish to punish achievement? What possible encouragement is there to succeed if you know full well that the better you do, the more of that wealth you are going to have taken by government?
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It's peanuts compared to what was stolen.
What exactly have we stolen, tracy? Pray tell? You really seem to hate this country with a vengeance....
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 3:02:54 PM
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The rich should pay more, lots more. Still you have not shown how they help the poor.
When the rich pay a lot more ... the poor end up losing jobs because the rich will cut those jobs in order to maintain the standard of living they are use to. The rich business owners who receive larger cooperate taxes pass on that expense to their consumers ... the poor ... So if Mr. Obama becomes President and is successful in taxing those big oil companies, our gas prices will go up, because large companies pass that onto the consumer, which is you and me.
The poor pay no taxes and still receive an refund. They have programs to help pay for food (foodstamps and WIC for pregnant women and moms), housing and even medical expenses. The welfare system now has a program where the welfare recipient can go to college for free through various programs and government grants. It does take a bit incentive to find these benefits ... they do not just come to you, you need to apply. We do a tremendous amount for our poor.
Compare that to other counties ... in Uganda where I went on a mission trip two years ago, the government gives zero benefits to the poor ... the place we stayed was very nice by Ugandan standards ... the people who live as the poorest of poor in the States have much better living arrangements than the rich do there ... there is no clean water to bath in, much less drink. We visited a community of 50,000 people and their health care consisted one newly built clinic (with 6 rooms for patients) staffed by a single nurse practitioner ... no doctor. (see link on my signature)
I think everyone should experience what it's like for the other parts of the world . We would do less bellyaching and more thanksgiving, and would (hopefully) become more generous with what we have been blessed with.
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It's O.7 of the GDP when we stick to it, we usually don't.
And this can be solved by having individuals being convicted to give more. We cannot expect our government to pay for these types of needs ... it will no longer have anything left to give ... we are already deeply in dept as a nation.
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No, not this Christian nation.
You are right, we are a secular nation ... but the Christians within this nation should be giving more ... we cannot expect those who do not follow Christ to follow Him (which would encompass giving more) ... they don't even know Him. And forcing His values on them will not convert them, but loving them and doing the right thing will make them take notice and hopefully open up opportunities to have a conversation with them that will lead them to Christ.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 3:16:04 PM
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I notice that you conveniently left out most of the paragraph: "Conservatives (and Republicans) do NOT have policies against the poor. However, they do believe that it is better to help people help themselves rather than just throwing money and free services to those who are to lazy to help themselves. And that includes staying in school to learn something whereby they might be able to earn a living. That is Biblical, also."
Did you do that on purpose because I said that people should help themselves? Read what Paul wrote in Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." This was not aimed at the sick, the weak, the elderly, or the disabled, but at the able bodied who would not work.
Next time, please don't cherry pick my words to make them fit with your agenda.
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Conservatives (and Republicans) do NOT have policies against the poor.
On what Disney channel?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 3:19:59 PM
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Excellent posts, Psalms274. Thank you for pointing out all those items.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 3:38:04 PM
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It's afternoon now, here in the east, so I'll wish you good afternoon in return.
yeah, now that I think about it it was already noon here in TN. My bad, how's the weather out east?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:09:20 PM
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It's afternoon now, here in the east, so I'll wish you good afternoon in return.
yeah, now that I think about it it was already noon here in TN. My bad, how's the weather out east?
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
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The power of God protects me,
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:14:34 PM
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You listed DNC talking points...show me something in the GOP platform that discriminates against the poor, or states that any of us "hate" the poor. It's really a very simple request.
You say they are DNC talking points. The Bible makes clear about thepoor.
So I guess the DNC does have that right.
Katrina itself showed the hatred of the poor, the tax cuts, the peanuts in aid, like I listed before.
Jas 2:6 But you dishonored the poor one. Do not rich men oppress you and draw you before the judgment seats?
Jas 2:5 Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He has promised to those who love Him?
Gal 2:10 Only they asked that we remember the poor, which very thing I was eager to do.
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What exactly have we stolen, tracy? Pray tell? You really seem to hate this country with a vengeance...
The very land you sit on is stolen, the black americans here, their wages from slavery, diamonds, gold, oil, you want me to go on.
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I notice that you conveniently left out most of the paragraph: "Conservatives (and Republicans) do NOT have policies against the poor. However, they do believe that it is better to help people help themselves rather than just throwing money and free services to those who are to lazy to help themselves. And that includes staying in school to learn something whereby they might be able to earn a living. That is Biblical, also."
Where in the Bible does it say those that help theirselves, the Bible I read say rely on the Lord.. Give to the poor period.
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Did you do that on purpose because I said that people should help themselves? Read what Paul wrote in Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." This was not aimed at the sick, the weak, the elderly, or the disabled, but at the able bodied who would not work.
This verse covers the millions of babies starving because of Republican
conservative policies? I don't think so.
The babies cannot work.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:19:31 PM
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Katrina itself showed the hatred of the poor, the tax cuts, the peanuts in aid, like I listed before.
Still nothing from the GOP platform, as I requested...you said the GOP had POLICIES against the poor..prove it.
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The very land you sit on is stolen, the black americans here, their wages from slavery, diamonds, gold, oil, you want me to go on.
None of which any of US are responsible for. But I assume since it bothers you so that you will be on the next plane out to the nation of your choice in which to live the remainder of your days?
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This verse covers the millions of babies starving because of Republican conservative policies?
I know you don't like this word, but some PROOF of these outlandish claims would certainly help.
From what air are you pulling these strangely morbid fantasies?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:30:48 PM
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Too bad for the argument that Thess 3 is clearly instructions from Paul to the church at Thessalonika regarding the government of the church itself, not the interaction between the church and the outside poor.
Read the WHOLE chapter, not just the part that certain selfish faux-charitables want to misquote to justify their miserliness, and one can clearly see that what they quote simply doesn't say what they say it says.
2nd Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2nd Thessalonians 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
2nd Thessalonians 3:8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
2nd Thessalonians 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
2nd Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
2nd Thessalonians 3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
2nd Thessalonians 3:12 Now them (brothers - church MEMBERS) that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
2nd Thessalonians 3:13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
2nd Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2nd Thessalonians 3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
2nd Thessalonians 3:16 Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all.
2nd Thessalonians 3:17 The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.
2nd Thessalonians 3:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:33:18 PM
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Let the denials begin.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:35:31 PM
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The Bible does say that we should help the poor. The Bible does not say we should help the lazy. In fact, it says just the opposite. Read any of the parables that deal with matters of work. Those who don't work, don't get rewarded. We are to help the sick, the disabled, the elderly, etc. who can't help themselves, but not those who just plain don't want to work.
Babies can't work, I agree. Can't their parents work? Is that asking too much? I don't feel called to support poor people IF THEY ARE ABLE TO WORK! I'll gladly share with those truly in need, but just because someone does not CHOOSE to work, should not justify any obligation on my part. I don't how much clearer I can make it. Read 2 Thessalonians Chapter 3.
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I notice that you conveniently left out most of the paragraph: "Conservatives (and Republicans) do NOT have policies against the poor. However, they do believe that it is better to help people help themselves rather than just throwing money and free services to those who are to lazy to help themselves. And that includes staying in school to learn something whereby they might be able to earn a living. That is Biblical, also."
Where in the Bible does it say those that help theirselves, the Bible I read say rely on the Lord.. Give to the poor period.
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Did you do that on purpose because I said that people should help themselves? Read what Paul wrote in Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." This was not aimed at the sick, the weak, the elderly, or the disabled, but at the able bodied who would not work.
This verse covers the millions of babies starving because of Republican
conservative policies? I don't think so.
The babies cannot work.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:41:02 PM
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The Bible does say that we should help the poor. The Bible does not say we should help the lazy. In fact, it says just the opposite. Read any of the parables that deal with matters of work. Those who don't work, don't get rewarded. We are to help the sick, the disabled, the elderly, etc. who can't help themselves, but not those who just plain don't want to work.
Right on cue.
here's a short exercise for you - find a passage that reads, "Feed the hungry, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful - but not if they're lazy"
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:41:12 PM
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he very land you sit on is stolen, the black americans here, their wages from slavery, diamonds, gold, oil, you want me to go on.
None of which any of US are responsible for.
so the Us did not have slavery? ok. I keep flicking thru the channels but sorry I don;t have that Disney Channel.
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Still nothing from the GOP platform, as I requested...you said the GOP had POLICIES against the poor..prove it.
Mccain wants to extend the tax cuts from Bush, a policy against the poor.
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But I assume since it bothers you so that you will be on the next plane out to the nation of your choice in which to live the remainder of your days?
sorry but nope I as an american can tell the truth about America and remain in America.
I would go if all Black people could come along with all that was stolen from us, the zoo animals, the diamonds, well take the air conditioner, the list is too long.
You know do like the Israelites did the Egytpians , "borrowed" our stuff back.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:50:49 PM
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Do you have a problem with anything short of total Marxism?
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The Bible does say that we should help the poor. The Bible does not say we should help the lazy. In fact, it says just the opposite. Read any of the parables that deal with matters of work. Those who don't work, don't get rewarded. We are to help the sick, the disabled, the elderly, etc. who can't help themselves, but not those who just plain don't want to work.
Right on cue.
here's a short exercise for you - find a passage that reads, "Feed the hungry, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful - but not if they're lazy"
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:50:52 PM
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Right on cue.
here's a short exercise for you - find a passage that reads, "Feed the hungry, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful - but not if they're lazy"
Waiting................
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:54:05 PM
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Do you have a problem with anything short of total Marxism?
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
The Bible does say that we should help the poor. The Bible does not say we should help the lazy. In fact, it says just the opposite. Read any of the parables that deal with matters of work. Those who don't work, don't get rewarded. We are to help the sick, the disabled, the elderly, etc. who can't help themselves, but not those who just plain don't want to work.
Right on cue.
here's a short exercise for you - find a passage that reads, "Feed the hungry, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful - but not if they're lazy"
Can't find a passage to defend your position, eh?
May I make a suggestion? Don't try to claim your position is Scripturally supported if you can't find a passage that actual supports your position.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:56:48 PM
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davemiller7
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Right here on CrossWalk (should you care to read):
John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you…
At Thessalonica in person, and first preached the Gospel to them,
we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat;
the Ethiopic version reads in the singular number, "when I was with you, I commanded you"; using the above words, which were a sort of a proverb with the Jews, and is frequently used by them, (lyka al yad) , or (oygn al yel) , "that if a man would not work, he should not eat" {q}. And again F18,
``he that labours on the evening of the sabbath (or on weekdays), he shall eat on the sabbath day; and he who does not labour on the evening of the sabbath, from whence shall he eat (or what right and authority has he to eat) on the sabbath day?''
Not he that could not work through weakness, bodily diseases, or old age, the necessities of such are to be distributed to, and they are to be taken care of, and provided with the necessaries of life by the officers of the church; but those that can work, and will not, ought to starve, for any assistance that should be given them by the members of the church, or the officers of it.
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F17 Bereshit Rabba, sect. 14. fol. 13. 1. Echa Rabbati, fol. 48. 4. & Midrash Koholet, fol. 65. 4.
F18 T. Bab. Avoda Zara, fol. 3. 1.
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Right on cue.
here's a short exercise for you - find a passage that reads, "Feed the hungry, heal the sick, comfort the sorrowful - but not if they're lazy"
Waiting................
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 4:57:45 PM
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so the Us did not have slavery? ok. I keep flicking thru the channels but sorry I don;t have that Disney Channel.
Tracy, none of which US, as in you and I, are responsible for....sheesh....talk about stretching...
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Mccain wants to extend the tax cuts from Bush, a policy against the poor.
Explain. It has nothing to do with the poor. The poor don't pay taxes, so how would they get a tax cut?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 5:00:00 PM
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"that if a man would not work, he should not eat"
I'll remember to tell that to all my Republican friends that have lost their jobs, Don't eat until you find some more work.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 5:01:18 PM
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Asked and answered, councilor - despite the attempted spin, 2 Thess 3 simply does not direct the church at Thessalonika to ignore the poor. it is direction to that church as to managing the church MEMBERSHIP.
Got another passage? or just going to try AGAIN to claim that this passage states something which it clearly does not?
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