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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 8:55:21 PM
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tafkam
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Yada, yada, since I posted ad nauseum the policies and you choose to ignore them
You haven't posted anything except the same tired DNC talking points.
To quote your friend and mine, SwedishCovenant, thanks for playing.
I'll let you off the hook now so you don't keep embarassing yourself... 
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 9:27:34 PM
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The poor can affords cigs and cars?
I was thinking the exact same thing! I didn't know that those who drive around in their own cars and have the scratch to buy "cigs" were "poor". A survey of low income homes found many of them owned multiple TVs, many of them flat screen or plasma. If people can afford luxuries, then they can afford food and shelter.
Again, most of the American "poor" are still much better off than even the "rich" of other countries.
God Bless America!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 9:58:53 AM
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I would like to see some links to all of these studies mentioned also, from both sides.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 10:26:32 AM
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You know:
In this thread I see major reasons why I can't make myself support conservative candidates for national office.
And, the republican party is now dominated by conservatives.
All throught the scriptures (thanks to Sweed and tracydolls for their references) there is a strong emphasis on providing food and clothes and shelter for the poor, healing the sick, and caring for the widows and the orphans.
And, current American conservative philisophy (exhibit A is 8 pages of posts here) argues strenuously against doing any of these things, except in very very limited cases.
The arguments made are totally unconvincing, at best:
1) We shouldn't feed the starving because they will become dependent on us and end up worse than before.
2) Providing life-saving medical care to someone who can't afford it (and with ICU care costing $10,000 a day, who can afford it) is nothing more than a 'socialist redistribution of wealth'.
3) Liberals don't give all they have to charity, so why should we as a society expect me to give unless I feel generous?
Mike Huckabee had some very interesting observations on this point in the latest issue of Sojourners:
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Huckabee: One of the things I’m frustrated about is that Republicans have been infiltrated by hardcore libertarians. Traditional Republicans don’t hate all forms of government. They just want it to be efficient and effective. They recognize that it has a place and a role.
Growing numbers of people in the Republican Party are just short of anarchists in the sense that they basically say, “Just cut government and cut taxes.” They don’t understand that if you do that, there are certain consequences that do not help problems. It exacerbates them.
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I go to a church that feeds a whole lot of people. Some kids still slip through the cracks that my church or somebody else’s isn’t getting to. I could be an ideological purist and say, “That’s not government’s responsibility.” But I’m also a realist, and when all of the other social structures fail—whether family, neighborhood, community, or charity organizations—then we have by default created a demand for government to step in.
I get beat up for this terribly by the libertarians in the party. I call them libertarians and not conservatives, because I think I’m a conservative but I’m not a nut! They ask me if I want government to engage in all these social programs. No, it’s not my preference. But if my choice is that government has a program or a kid goes hungry, then give me the government program. I prefer that over a hungry child. I prefer that over a child that’s wheezing through untreated asthma.
- Mike Huckabee, Sojourners September '08 issue
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 10:26:58 AM
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Hey pooh thanks for the post, btw, I find it interesting that NOW that Social Security is looking like the majority of American's....BROKE, is the time to do away with Social Security. Sure, now that past generations have benefitted from it, won't be anything left for when I turn 62 or 65. Heck the way things have gone in the last 7 years I might have to work till I'm 90. Wow, I hope God allows me to see that day, if not it's all good, I'm sure heaven will won't have an (R) or a (D) next to it.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 10:33:20 AM
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PoohBear, you guys really need to try for something a little more original than leftist websites to prove your "points".....
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 10:35:52 AM
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PoohBear, you guys really need to try for something a little more original than leftist websites to prove your "points".....
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Gosh I thought Bill O'Reilly was only on Fox News, I didnt realize he was a poster on these forums,lol!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 10:38:38 AM
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Amazing, the left on these boards can post from outfits like MediaMatters and it's to be taken as gospel truth, but let a conservative post a quote or comment from a conservative site and see what happens.
My admiration for such blatant hypocrisy knows no bounds... 
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 11:00:01 AM
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No point to prove, just info.
I just like to look at all 3 dimensions and figured we'd all heard enough flat earth theory for one thread!
Pooh!!! You mean the world isn't Flat? Man, next your going to tell me that Dinasours were just made up fictional characters!!!!!! LOL!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 11:06:55 AM
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Of course we as Christians should want to give and help out those less fortunate, but I don't beleive the government should be the one to enforce that at the point of a gun.
I find it even more incredible that liberals use Scripture to defend the government practice...wouldn't that be a violation of their hallowed (if mythical) separation of church and state?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 11:19:48 AM
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raphael, i of course believe in dinosaurs...read Job (i.e. bohemuth and leviathon)...we are not stupid you know...
Paul, it is Paul right. I had to say something like that. I know there are Christians that are intelligent enough to know that they actually existed. But I'm not sure if it's a Southern thing or what man, but you would be surprised at the number of Christians down here that actually do believe that they never existed!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 11:33:18 AM
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raphael, i of course believe in dinosaurs...read Job (i.e. bohemuth and leviathon)...we are not stupid you know...
Paul, it is Paul right. I had to say something like that. I know there are Christians that are intelligent enough to know that they actually existed. But I'm not sure if it's a Southern thing or what man, but you would be surprised at the number of Christians down here that actually do believe that they never existed!
as far as faith is concerned, the more you study and eventually believe, the more you have to become declarative in your beliefs. it is unavoidable. and we need to study the Bible (2 Tim 2:15)...
but, when it comes to mere facts about what might have existed, well, best not to discard but hold judgement until asking God Himself.
although, it is keen to remember what is theory and what is not. if carbon-dating is disproved, then....uh-oh...we might need some new biology/history books.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 11:35:22 AM
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rcamejo01
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although, it is keen to remember what is theory and what is not. if carbon-dating is disproved, then....uh-oh...we might need some new biology/history books.
LOL! I agree with you brother, that would be scary.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 11:38:47 AM
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although, it is keen to remember what is theory and what is not. if carbon-dating is disproved, then....uh-oh...we might need some new biology/history books.
LOL! I agree with you brother, that would be scary.
it's more of a might-be instead of would-be...but i digress...
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