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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/12/2008 2:10:29 PM
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DaveW
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But the point is that sin, carnality, the old nature, whatever you wish to call it is NOT biologically transmissable. It is a spiritual characteristic, not a physical trait. So you are saying that not having a biological father was NOT the reason Jesus did not have a sin nature?
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/12/2008 10:27:51 PM
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I really do not know just how to answer that. I have no ideal what you mean by sin nature. I do not think that we are born in sin. I do not think that we inherit sin from others. I do know that Adam caused a fallen world. I do know that we will sin. I just can not say that God created us in a condition that we have no choice but to sin if that is what is meant by a sin condition. I know that we have and will sin but it was not because we were born to do so it is because we gave in to sin. I am still studying through this to get a better understanding of it.
Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/13/2008 9:39:22 AM
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Also - to the point about Jesus - he certainly could have sinned. If he could not have sinned than he was not tempted. The glory of the drama played out in the Incarnation is that in Jesus Christ a perfect "yes" was resounded back to God, answering in obedience to God's perfect "yes" to creation. emerging, I would welcome your input on the Could Jesus Have Sinned? thread. Your and my position appears to be the minority view on Christ's temptability.
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So you are saying that not having a biological father was NOT the reason Jesus did not have a sin nature? Wow, a triple negative! No Dave, I'm saying that having a sin nature has nothing to do with biology. Are you saying that Jesus was a clone of His mother because He had no paternal chromosomes? Come on, genetics has no relevance in this discussion!
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/14/2008 9:22:09 AM
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Wow, a triple negative! It don't make me no nevermind.quote:
I'm saying that having a sin nature has nothing to do with biology. Are you saying that Jesus was a clone of His mother because He had no paternal chromosomes? Come on, genetics has no relevance in this discussion! Actually, that was my point.
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/14/2008 5:51:42 PM
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Okay, I thought I had made it rather more clearly in post #50. Thanks for muddying the waters. 
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/21/2008 1:09:31 AM
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I have a sort of related question - - -
This may seem odd to some of you, but until being online i had never heard of the trinity before until about a month ago.
Ive always believed that Jesus is the Son of God and God is a seperate being and that was that.
Is this not true? Is Jesus God? How does that work and if thats true then why does Jesus say what he says on the cross before he dies? Who is he talking to? Himself? It dosent make sense to me...im really trying to understand this.
Did you get your question answered? It looks as if you did not? Which saying are you referring to that Jesus said on the cross before He died?
I am just trying to clarify
No i didnt get my question answered. I was looking on here hoping i did. lol
Im talking about when he said this 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'
The answer to your question is really quite simple. The Godhead comprises God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God the Son took upon Himself sinless Manhood in order to become the Lamb of God who would offer Himself as a sacrifice for sin.
In order to experience the full penalty for sin in His own body, soul and spirit, He also experienced separation from the Father while on the Cross. Therefore He cried out -- My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken meÉ Here the Son addressed the Father as God, just as in Heb. 1:8, the Father addresses the Son as God.
Is this *understandable* by human beingsÉ Not too well. Is it necessary that we *understand* everything pertaining to God fullyÉ The answer is *No*. (Sorry but the question marks are being changed for some reason).
The Holy Trinity (the triune Godhead) and the Deity of Christ are divine mysteries which must be accepted in simple faith. Man simply cannot explain God.
As for the question, Could Jesus have sinnnedÉ The answer is emphatically *No*. Since He was -- and is -- fully God and fully *sinless Man*, He could never have sinned.
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/21/2008 1:16:13 AM
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Also - to the point about Jesus - he certainly could have sinned. If he could not have sinned than he was not tempted.
This is a fallacy that continues to be repeated over and over again, even after the correct reasons for it being a fallacy are provided. Christ was tempted -- unlike human beings -- "apart from sin". Which means that while the temptations were real, there was absolutely nothing in Christ -- who is "separate from sinners" -- to respond to those temptations.
This may be a concept difficult to grasp until one remembers that Jesus of Nazareth was at one and the same time fully God and fully sinless Man.
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/21/2008 10:14:47 AM
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Also - to the point about Jesus - he certainly could have sinned. If he could not have sinned than he was not tempted.
This is a fallacy that continues to be repeated over and over again, even after the correct reasons for it being a fallacy are provided. Christ was tempted -- unlike human beings -- "apart from sin". Which means that while the temptations were real, there was absolutely nothing in Christ -- who is "separate from sinners" -- to respond to those temptations.
This may be a concept difficult to grasp until one remembers that Jesus of Nazareth was at one and the same time fully God and fully sinless Man.
...and there was nothing in Adam for sin to appeal to either.
When Jesus Christ walked this earth He never functioned in His own divinity. He functioned exactly as the first Adam, a true human being without the sin nature, and indwelt by the Spirit of God. It was not Jesus's divinity that made Him sinless until death, for He had stripped Himself of His divine privileges.
"Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being. Philippians 2:6-7
Jesus Christ shows us man as God intended man to be. What enabled Jesus Christ to remain sinless was that He was completely man, and He was completely man because He was completely available to His Father. (John 8:29, among others)
Where the first Adam failed, Jesus succeeded, because He was never, at any moment, not dependent upon God the Father. It was God the Father who worked in and through Christ, just as now it is Christ who works in and through us, as we make ourselves available to Him.
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/21/2008 11:01:32 PM
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Great concept and verbalization of it, URF. With your permission, I'm going to reference some of this post over on the "Could Jesus Have Sinned?" thread. I'm struggling a bit to explain how peccability does not negate Christ's divinity.
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RE: God the Father, God The Son (Jesus), Jesus the man - 9/26/2008 8:43:59 AM
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I have no idea where your coming from, robertwilliams, since this is your very first post. BUT, I can say emphatically that "success in an individual" has nothing to do with "maximum efforts" by the individual once they have fully submitted their entire being to the Lordship of Christ! As URF posted in #60 above, it is Christ's Spirit that works in and through us to achieve whatever success God wills in our lives. This submission to Him is the antithesis of us taking "total and absolute RESPONSIBILITY for our station in life"!
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