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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 11:20:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way Candy corn = nasty garbage. Every year, it's the same routine. I forget how gross it is, I see a dish of it sitting out, and I'm like. . . "oh, candy + corn. That sounds good." so I try some and I'm like "BLECH. What was I thinking? How could I have forgotten??" And then I throw the whole dish away. As do countless other households. And thus, my theory is that they no longer actually make candy corn, but after each season, go through everyone's garbage and collect all that was thrown away, and resell it. And that's why every year, it's a little more stale and nasty. LOL - I do the same thing. Candy corn is one of the nastiest substances on the earth, but if i see a bowl laying out I'll eat one and hope for the best - and am sorely disappointed every time. It's like someone dipped the worst chewy candy they could find into candle wax. Ugh.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 12:06:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: Superduck77 i have read most of your post and had laughs but in all serious note yes it is time for Samhin or (halloween) as yall say it. The holiday (rolls eyes) if you can call it that to me is the worst for in the past i did celebrate Samhin not as yall do all tricks and candy and play nice nice....nope In the first post the question was asked how u feel about this night I can tell you now it scares me still...here is a bit of what it is really about : Carve a pumpkin. Most people think that pumpkins are carved into jack-o-lanterns at Halloween to create a spooky centerpiece, but the carving of pumpkins traces back to the Wiccan tradition of using this seasonal gourd to symbolize the dual god and goddess that Wiccans worship. Light a candle. Samhain is a time to remember those who have been lost over the past year and to acknowledge that they are still with us in spirit. Light a candle and place it in a window (one that is free of drapes, curtains or other flammable materials) to help light the way for the spirits of those who have passed away Pick some apples. Apples are a traditional fruit of the autumn season, but they actually play key roles in multiple Samhain rituals. Make a dish with fruits of the seasons like apples or pomegranates to celebrate the bounty of the earth. Bury the seeds afterwards to usher in new growth for the next year's harvest. Cut an apple in half, place five bay leaves in the center in the shape of a star, and bind the halves back together with black or red ribbon. Bless the offering in a traditional Samhain ritual and bury it afterwards as a symbol of love for the God and Goddess. Leave food for the departed. Most of us only think to leave plates of food out at night when we are expecting someone jolly and bearing gifts, but the tradition is really rooted in Wiccan tradition intended to honor the dead and help them depart the land of the living peacefully. Leave a plate of food in the window where you place your candle and think of any loved ones you have lost over the past year as you do so. Choose foods of the season such as corn, nuts, gingerbread, seasonal fruits and vegetables and cider or, if you are making the offering in remembrance of a specific loved one, leave foods that were their favorites Light a fire. Bonfires are great for keeping away the chill of a crisp early autumn evening, but they are also symbolic during Samhain. After lighting your bonfire take a moment to write down any aspect of your life that you want to get rid of; it can be a part of your personality, something that has been causing you unnecessary stress or worry or a negative situation that has left you with feelings of anger, worry or regret. Focus on why you feel you need to be rid of this thing and how doing so will better your life. Cast the paper into the bonfire and watch it burn. As you do, imagine that negative aspect disappearing with the ashes of the bonfire and let it go. To me it is no fun and games i wont say what goes on in the woods but i can say what i have seen tasted and touched demand souls and such will i ever celebrate halloween or samhin again ................ NO !!! It's obvious, each year more and more people are told. "Yeah, I know." But they don't care. My heart-felt response is, "yeah, I know" but actually "you don't know." If we knew we would have nothing to do with it. Mental ascent is not knowing.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 12:07:45 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: themoodyexperience quote:
ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way Candy corn = nasty garbage. Every year, it's the same routine. I forget how gross it is, I see a dish of it sitting out, and I'm like. . . "oh, candy + corn. That sounds good." so I try some and I'm like "BLECH. What was I thinking? How could I have forgotten??" And then I throw the whole dish away. As do countless other households. And thus, my theory is that they no longer actually make candy corn, but after each season, go through everyone's garbage and collect all that was thrown away, and resell it. And that's why every year, it's a little more stale and nasty. LOL - I do the same thing. Candy corn is one of the nastiest substances on the earth, but if i see a bowl laying out I'll eat one and hope for the best - and am sorely disappointed every time. It's like someone dipped the worst chewy candy they could find into candle wax. Ugh. My wife had a couple bags of candy hidden in the pantry. I found it and thought, "wow, gotta have some." when I realized it was candy corn and choco corn I through the bags back in the pantry. If that's all there is, I'll do without.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 12:20:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: Superduck77 i have read most of your post and had laughs but in all serious note yes it is time for Samhin or (halloween) as yall say it. The holiday (rolls eyes) if you can call it that to me is the worst for in the past i did celebrate Samhin not as yall do all tricks and candy and play nice nice....nope In the first post the question was asked how u feel about this night I can tell you now it scares me still...here is a bit of what it is really about : Carve a pumpkin. Most people think that pumpkins are carved into jack-o-lanterns at Halloween to create a spooky centerpiece, but the carving of pumpkins traces back to the Wiccan tradition of using this seasonal gourd to symbolize the dual god and goddess that Wiccans worship. Light a candle. Samhain is a time to remember those who have been lost over the past year and to acknowledge that they are still with us in spirit. Light a candle and place it in a window (one that is free of drapes, curtains or other flammable materials) to help light the way for the spirits of those who have passed away Pick some apples. Apples are a traditional fruit of the autumn season, but they actually play key roles in multiple Samhain rituals. Make a dish with fruits of the seasons like apples or pomegranates to celebrate the bounty of the earth. Bury the seeds afterwards to usher in new growth for the next year's harvest. Cut an apple in half, place five bay leaves in the center in the shape of a star, and bind the halves back together with black or red ribbon. Bless the offering in a traditional Samhain ritual and bury it afterwards as a symbol of love for the God and Goddess. Leave food for the departed. Most of us only think to leave plates of food out at night when we are expecting someone jolly and bearing gifts, but the tradition is really rooted in Wiccan tradition intended to honor the dead and help them depart the land of the living peacefully. Leave a plate of food in the window where you place your candle and think of any loved ones you have lost over the past year as you do so. Choose foods of the season such as corn, nuts, gingerbread, seasonal fruits and vegetables and cider or, if you are making the offering in remembrance of a specific loved one, leave foods that were their favorites Light a fire. Bonfires are great for keeping away the chill of a crisp early autumn evening, but they are also symbolic during Samhain. After lighting your bonfire take a moment to write down any aspect of your life that you want to get rid of; it can be a part of your personality, something that has been causing you unnecessary stress or worry or a negative situation that has left you with feelings of anger, worry or regret. Focus on why you feel you need to be rid of this thing and how doing so will better your life. Cast the paper into the bonfire and watch it burn. As you do, imagine that negative aspect disappearing with the ashes of the bonfire and let it go. To me it is no fun and games i wont say what goes on in the woods but i can say what i have seen tasted and touched demand souls and such will i ever celebrate halloween or samhin again ................ NO !!! It's obvious, each year more and more people are told. "Yeah, I know." But they don't care. My heart-felt response is, "yeah, I know" but actually "you don't know." If we knew we would have nothing to do with it. Mental ascent is not knowing. Yeah, I don't know. I read all that ^^ and I think... The dead don't need a light to guide their way. That was ignorant superstition. If/when I put a light in my windows, it's because I think it looks nice. Apples are apples. I eat them. Am I supposed to avoid them because of what some superstitious folk allegedly did with them? If we avoid everything that was ever used by evil people, we'd starve and probably a whole lot worse. The dead don't need food for their journey, another ignorant superstition. Seems to me that taking this stuff seriously is giving too much credence and weight to it. Also thinking that, with all the calendar changes over the centuries, Halloween doesn't fall on the same night the ancient Celts celebrated samhain anyway. And the wiccans, etc. only recently (relatively...compared to how long it's been around) took it over anyway.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 2:31:58 PM
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I've seen a clear lamp base filled with candy corn. It looked nice and that way there was no temptation to take a taste. As far as the old history of Halloween, I could care less about the old rituals. I am not celebrating those at all. I am concerned about the over abundance of nasty, gory, fear movies on t.v. I don't watch the movies but they keep showing me bloody screaming commercials over and over. Actually, watching the news lately has been scary, without a jack o'lantern in sight.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 3:05:28 PM
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armydude
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ORIGINAL: themoodyexperience quote:
ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way Candy corn = nasty garbage. Every year, it's the same routine. I forget how gross it is, I see a dish of it sitting out, and I'm like. . . "oh, candy + corn. That sounds good." so I try some and I'm like "BLECH. What was I thinking? How could I have forgotten??" And then I throw the whole dish away. As do countless other households. And thus, my theory is that they no longer actually make candy corn, but after each season, go through everyone's garbage and collect all that was thrown away, and resell it. And that's why every year, it's a little more stale and nasty. LOL - I do the same thing. Candy corn is one of the nastiest substances on the earth, but if i see a bowl laying out I'll eat one and hope for the best - and am sorely disappointed every time. It's like someone dipped the worst chewy candy they could find into candle wax. Ugh. Mmmmmm... sweetened candle wax... Yummy...
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 3:44:34 PM
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I love candy corn. Of course, my cats apparently do too which is why I have had to put the candy bowl I had on my dining room table up. They were treating it like a toy vending machine and I was finding candy corn all over the house... As far as Halloween. I see it like this. There are 2 basic camps of thought. 1. If something was started for the wrong reasons or if someone has twisted something for the wrong reasons, that something becomes inherently evil and cannot be anything but evil. OR 2. Things have no inherent "good" or "bad" value to them. The only thing that matters is what it means today and why a person is doing something. The origin of something is nothing more than historical information. There is no power in origins. I fall into category #2. It is not because I don't know. It is not because I am ignorant - willfully or otherwise. It is because I see this as something identical to the meat sacrificed to idols in the early church. Idols are not real so "things" do not become unclean simply because someone used "things" for the wrong reasons. What matters is what the "things" mean to you. As such, origins are interesting to learn about, but there is no power in them. God is not a God who is beholden to anyone - demon or otherwise. Ever. The fact is, I would say the majority of "things" and traditions have bad beginnings. Then there are things that had great beginnings (crossing your fingers) but were twisted and lost their meaning over the years. Then there are things that started out pagan and evil but God used for good: baptism, communion, the Cross, etc. That's why I cling to: quote:
Romans 14:1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11 It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'" 12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. 19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. 22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. (emphasis mine) If Halloween means something evil to you - don't participate. It would be wrong for you to. If it doesn't mean anything more than silly fun - don't worry about it and have fun. You are not condemned by God.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 3:52:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way Candy corn = nasty garbage. PHILISTINE!
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/29/2008 9:40:48 PM
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At the risk of jumping in this type of thread... May I add a third camp to your list? I grew up (and now believe) there is nothing wrong with the day itself, and something being started for the wrong things hasn't eternally tainted that day. However, I grew up seeing the "bad" modern parts of it, even (or especially) from those in the church. (e.g. trashing the elderlies' houses, killing animals, encouraging kids to dress up as devils because it wasn't 'sin' on this day, even just the 'eat yourself silly on candy' stuff.) Just before my teens they started doing the harvest thingy at the church instead, but alot of the people just did both then. When people have just the harvest, share some candy thing I find it to be one of those lines like covering your head, or how much kissing before marriage, or such as that. If you're not killing or destroying property, or doing things you would consider sin any other day than that is your conscience. If I find that it's too mixed in with those things to keep it and I would rather spend my time doing something else, that is my conscience.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 9/30/2008 4:17:54 PM
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If I find that it's too mixed in with those things to keep it and I would rather spend my time doing something else, that is my conscience. Good thoughts. Vantage Point.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/1/2008 7:27:14 AM
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I personally find it odd to see Christians dressed as evil characters. Now, if they were the villain in a story, that is different. There is no story if there is no conflict. But come to think of it, my daughter dressed as a black and white movie star (clothing, hair and skin all in white, black and gray tones) but ended up looking more like a dead zombie movie star. The intent was different but the results were striking and prize winning. http://www.flickr.com/photos/car2ner/2903788321/
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/3/2008 4:40:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: BeckeyZ I don't know....we used a carved pumpkin last year for children's time before the service. This is the story pastor told as he used the already carved pumpkin for a visual aid. quote:
"Being a Christian is like being a pumpkin. God picks you from the patch, brings you in, and washes all the dirt off of you. Then he cuts off the top and scoops out all the yucky stuff. He removes the seeds of doubt, hate, greed, etc., and then! He carves you a new smiling face and puts His light inside of you to shine for all the world to see." - Author Unknown The problem I find with "redeeming the holidays" is that anything can be used as an object lesson. I could probably come up with an object lesson titled, "Being a Christian is like rendering sewage." or "Upsidedown Pentagram". In that lesson I could show some correlation between these things and common doctrines or biblical references with a nice feel good ending. However, this does not mean it is acceptable or something the Creator would want me be part of.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/3/2008 5:05:24 PM
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For you people that are against any celebration that has any tis to pagan practices I have two questions. 1. Do any of you own cats? 2. Do any of you enjoy a good steak or hamburger? If you answer yes to either of these you had better change your ways. Cats were once worshiped as gods and cows are considered scared in some pagan beliefs.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/3/2008 9:06:57 PM
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I made a post in a now closed Christmas thread that would also be applicable here. We are not borrowing anything from the pagans. God created every day we have. They are and always have been His. It does not matter if some unbelievers celebrated something on those days. They cannot add or delete one single second from any day. The day belongs to God. So God's children should use them.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/3/2008 9:12:14 PM
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oh, and I refuse to stop baking cakes....for birthdays or otherwise.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/4/2008 1:34:53 AM
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I have two cats, and I don't eat beef. But, that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I choose to not participate in a day that, from what I see in every store I go into, glorifies death and violence. I see tombstones, mummies, skeletons, blood.... I also don't "hide" from satan, as some suggest. I use it as a "night of evangelism". I put together awesome treat bags, and have a child's tract in each one. That is my personal choice. If your choice is to celebrate halloween, and you can do so with a clean conscience, by all means, do so. That is your choice.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/4/2008 5:50:05 PM
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you know your right it is your choice to pretake or not to... I wont ever I have searched the word on "halloween" and or "samhin" Gods words says nothing about it but I did find verses that say a lot to post a few because it seems that many of us have ouur eyes closed which is something that we as believers shouldnt do in these days and times amen... Verses: Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.....when I read this verse I changed my heart bc I was a witch but thanks be to God who forgives I am no more.. Lev 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. now I know we r not seek after them i am just openin eyes to what God says Acts 19 shows new converts who have abruptly broken with their former occultism by confessing, showing their evil deeds, bringing their magic paraphernalia, and burning it before everyone (Acts 19:19). Should we or not I know the saying its for the children and its cool to dress up but do think what r we teaching them all year we say serve God then this one night out of the year we say its ok to dress as a zombie or a witch or a vampire or an under world charter whoa mixed messages i say much like christmas but thats another subject all together....and yes God makes all the days but it is what we do in them that makes it either Godly or ungodly....for myself halloween is pagan has always been and always will be no matter what we say and or do it is the night of the undead or demons...................! Your choice....!
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/4/2008 7:15:40 PM
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Who says kids have to dress up as zombie's or witches? ...Still waiting for someone to respond to post 308...
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/4/2008 8:10:13 PM
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I, personally, do not celebrate Halloween because I do not agree with the occultic and evil connotations. My mother,whom I live with, however, does and decorated the house. I told her I don't celebrate halloween, but it's her house. I did ask the Lord Jesus to cast away any evil spirits in the house and to protect us from evil. andI went around praying and asked God for protection and to cover the house in his blood. I can't change another person, even though I have tried. (knocks head against wall)
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 10/4/2008 10:29:50 PM
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ORIGINAL: eaglelady11 I can't change another person, even though I have tried. (knocks head against wall) Before you tried did you wonder how you would have reacted had someone tried to change you the way you tried to change them?
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