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Healing Today - 8/29/2008 10:36:41 PM
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sledmt
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I know there are people today that believe that sign and wonders are not for today, but still believe that God heals today.
I was wondering why people believe this?
And if God still heals, why he would not heal like he did in the New Testament chuch.
What are people thoughts on this?
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RE: Healing Today - 8/30/2008 9:12:30 AM
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I believe He is the same, yesterday and forever more. He heals today, does miracles, signs and wonders...Those who believe that signs and wonders are gone or went out with the apostles are terribly mistaken.
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RE: Healing Today - 8/30/2008 12:56:40 PM
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Jesus healed and he told His disciples: I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. John 14:12
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RE: Healing Today - 8/30/2008 2:33:34 PM
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drmark
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And if God still heals, why he would not heal like he did in the New Testament chuch. Could you give us a specific example of a NT healing that is significantly different from a modern day healing?
Just two nights ago, the super large tent under which the Christian Power Team was holding a crusade on our church property completely blew off during a severe thunderstorm. There were 400 people sitting and watching this event occur with almost no warning. Dozens were injured and several sent to a local hospital with suspected broken bones by myself (physician) and a few nurses who triaged, and several EMTs who arrived to coordinate ambulance evacuation. Dozens of our local church members prayed through the night. Not a single person had a documented fracture or had to stay overnight in the hospital! Is that enough like a NT healing for you?
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RE: Healing Today - 8/30/2008 3:58:14 PM
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MrFribbles
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One of the major problems I have with healing ministries today is that they seem to be focused on other Christians. While there are some instances in Scripture of Christians healing other Christians (Dorcas comes to mind), a majority of them were done for the purpose of evangelism. I don't see that today.
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RE: Healing Today - 8/30/2008 10:53:06 PM
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drmark
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Would establishing hospitals and clinics and sending medical work and witness teams as parts of a compassionate ministry program qualify for "purposes of evangelism"? I see lots of that today, at least in my denomination.
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RE: Healing Today - 8/31/2008 11:40:01 AM
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Would establishing hospitals and clinics and sending medical work and witness teams as parts of a compassionate ministry program qualify for "purposes of evangelism"? I see lots of that today, at least in my denomination.
Absolutely. But that's not what people usually think of when they consider the Spiritual gift of healing.
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RE: Healing Today - 8/31/2008 4:47:48 PM
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drmark
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Okay, well now you know that this "people" and his denomination think of the spiritual gift of healing that way!
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RE: Healing Today - 8/31/2008 4:55:01 PM
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MrFribbles
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Okay, well now you know that this "people" and his denomination think of the spiritual gift of healing that way!
Splendid to hear. : )
It's been my experience that when the gift of healing is mentioned, most Christians' minds wander to a Benny Hinn-esque service, which I do not see as being Scriptural healing at all.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/17/2008 11:55:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: sledmt
I know there are people today that believe that sign and wonders are not for today, but still believe that God heals today.
I was wondering why people believe this?
And if God still heals, why he would not heal like he did in the New Testament chuch.
What are people thoughts on this?
The Scriptures clearly show that healing is always God's will. Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about DOING GOOD, AND HEALING all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him.
Do not tell anyone that sicknesses and disease is the will of God. It is the will of satan, if disease is the will of God then heaven will be filled with sickness.
God wants to heal all who are sick, but because of past Theological pastors, teachers who could not get Bible results for healing, they started to make up excuses which led to evil unscriptural teaching traditions. How many pastors or teachers have made unscriptural statements alonge these lines,
"Be faithful in your sickness; be patient. Keep waiting on God, and He will heal you in His own good time" God is teaching you something in your suffering. His ways are mysterious. (lies from satan)
The Bible states that ALL sickness and disease is:
1. God calls sickness captivity (Job 42:10) 2. Jesus calls sickness Bondage (Luke 13:16) 3. The Holy Spirit calls sickness oppression (Acts 10:38)
So if the theological Pastors and teachers are right then let's all pray that we would be captivity with so much bondage and oppression, then and only then would we be doing the will of Jesus. Let's go into all the world an teach and preach that the kingdom of God is at hand, you must be full of bondage, and oppression to be in God's will. 
Who in there right mind would believe or listen to this?  But they do in fact many theological pastors when vististing hospitals standing by the beds of sick people, would rather speak sin of unbelief into their lives, or sympathize with their pains. Let us NEVER insinuate that it must be God's will to "take them", or that it will teach them how to draw closer to the Lord through their sickness.
Instead let us declare the promises to them, from His Holy Word the Bible (Ex. 15:26) I AM THE LORD THAT HEALS YOU. In this statement God gave one of His redemptive names. He Said I AM JEHOVAH-RAPHA, I am the Lord, your physician, your healer. What a universal promise this regarding physical or mental trouble of any kind. 
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RE: Healing Today - 9/18/2008 8:45:00 AM
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Instead let us declare the promises to them, from His Holy Word the Bible (Ex. 15:26) I AM THE LORD THAT HEALS YOU. In this statement God gave one of His redemptive names. He Said I AM JEHOVAH-RAPHA, I am the Lord, your physician, your healer. What a universal promise this regarding physical or mental trouble of any kind. Declaring promises is a nice thing to do, Leadership, but how does your theology explain those faith-filled Christians that are not presently healed of their "physical or mental trouble of any kind". As a believing physician, I am not afraid to pray with my patients when they ask and I know for a fact that some of them believe in instantaneous healing more than I do. So what's wrong with God's promises in their lives?
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RE: Healing Today - 9/18/2008 1:50:18 PM
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And if God still heals, why he would not heal like he did in the New Testament chuch. Could you give us a specific example of a NT healing that is significantly different from a modern day healing?
Just two nights ago, the super large tent under which the Christian Power Team was holding a crusade on our church property completely blew off during a severe thunderstorm. There were 400 people sitting and watching this event occur with almost no warning. Dozens were injured and several sent to a local hospital with suspected broken bones by myself (physician) and a few nurses who triaged, and several EMTs who arrived to coordinate ambulance evacuation. Dozens of our local church members prayed through the night. Not a single person had a documented fracture or had to stay overnight in the hospital! Is that enough like a NT healing for you?
Praised our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ for that to have happen.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/18/2008 2:00:08 PM
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quote:
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Instead let us declare the promises to them, from His Holy Word the Bible (Ex. 15:26) I AM THE LORD THAT HEALS YOU. In this statement God gave one of His redemptive names. He Said I AM JEHOVAH-RAPHA, I am the Lord, your physician, your healer. What a universal promise this regarding physical or mental trouble of any kind. Declaring promises is a nice thing to do, Leadership, but how does your theology explain those faith-filled Christians that are not presently healed of their "physical or mental trouble of any kind". As a believing physician, I am not afraid to pray with my patients when they ask and I know for a fact that some of them believe in instantaneous healing more than I do. So what's wrong with God's promises in their lives?
There is nothing wrong with that. Yet some people he decides not to have them to be healed completely. Which I hate it when some people will say that the reason the person isn't healed is because either they have great sin or they don't have enough faith. Because it is not factual.
My wife has health issues for a while. Though she is not perfect, yet she is faithful to God in her life.
It just floors me when someone in their self righteous mind says stuff like that.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/18/2008 2:15:19 PM
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I agree with you McCleod, it's very insensitive to say that to someone. My wife mom had MS and suffered from different complications. She eventually passed. During her waning time my wife called on on of the elders to pray, only to receive a "word" admonishing to have faith. She never called upon that elder for anything again. LOL!
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RE: Healing Today - 9/24/2008 5:46:41 PM
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The major problem with Healing Ministries today is the Word of Faith Movement and movements like it.
Basically with these people, Jesus died on the cross so that you can be heal physically. If you are sick it must be because you have sinned and God is punishing you. If you are sick and not healed it is because you lack faith. Remember faith is a force and our words are containers of that force. So you want to be healed you just gotta say it. "I'm healed." Never say I'm getting sick because you will. If you are sick you gotta rebuke the cold virus, or the cancer sells, etc.
Another major problem is Healing Services. I personally think that is something wrong with constantly wanting to be heal if you have some ailment. It is definitely understandable to not want to live life being restrained by some illness. However what about contentment?
With all that being said. I totally believe that healing happens today.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/24/2008 5:57:13 PM
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Child4Jesus
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Leadership,
There is no scripture that tells us that healing from disease is always God's will for every individual. Also you statement about sickness/disease is Satan's will is bases on what?
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RE: Healing Today - 9/24/2008 9:57:03 PM
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I am very happy that the clump of scar tissue in my mom's lung...... that was diagnosed, photographed, checked a 2nd time, along with the leak in her pulmonary artery, and a prognosis of no recovery. mysteriously all disappeared, when she was healed.
she is ready to go, but I am glad it will be later than sooner.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/24/2008 10:17:40 PM
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i believe in miraculous healings but i just dont believe in instructing God to heal! 
My sis in law died of cancer last year. They were into divine health and stuff of those sort. i warned my bro that if Gods will is that every believer should be at highest order of health, we wont need renewed bodies. We will be having resurrected bodies NOW
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 12:21:26 AM
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Leadership
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Instead let us declare the promises to them, from His Holy Word the Bible (Ex. 15:26) I AM THE LORD THAT HEALS YOU. In this statement God gave one of His redemptive names. He Said I AM JEHOVAH-RAPHA, I am the Lord, your physician, your healer. What a universal promise this regarding physical or mental trouble of any kind. Declaring promises is a nice thing to do, Leadership, but how does your theology explain those faith-filled Christians that are not presently healed of their "physical or mental trouble of any kind". As a believing physician, I am not afraid to pray with my patients when they ask and I know for a fact that some of them believe in instantaneous healing more than I do. So what's wrong with God's promises in their lives?
As a physician due to you specialized training you would know better than most of us that when something is not working to achieve a person's healing you would take them (faith-filled) to the physicians manual (bible) and show them where the mistake was made and how to correct it.
(Proverbs 4:20-22) My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my saying. Let them NOT depart from eyes; Keep them in the mist of thine heart. For they are LIFE unto those that find them, and health [medicine] to all their flesh.
(John 6:63) The words that I (Jesus) speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
If a person was sick, a physician (Jesus said I am JEHOVA-RAPHA I am the Lord, your physician, your healer) would give to them a prescription, follow the prescription and you Will be healed. Do not follow the directions and you will not be healed.
1. Attend to God's Word. 2. incline our ears unto it. 3. Let it not depart from our eyes. 4. Keep it in the midst of our heart. ALL OF THESE INSTRUCTIONS IMPLY A CONTINUAL, ONGOING ACTION, NOT SOMETHING WE DO ONE TIME OR EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
It is the responsibility of the sick person to take God's Medicine in the prescribed manner (Not God's fault for no healing. Follow the prescription) If you do not follow the prescription then you will not achieve healing.
Also Jesus said Himself that: 1. sickness is captivity from satan (Job 42:10) 2. sickness is bondage from satan (Luke 13:10) 3. sickness is oppression from satan (Acts 10:38) That would make it Jesus's theology.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 1:37:49 AM
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Jesus and the Apostles healed men/women to lead them to repentance and have faith in Christ.Nowadays these falls "preachers" "heal" men/women to give them "Their Best Life Now".
I wonder what Job would think of this god that men have created.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 12:44:49 PM
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John 9
1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life."
Let that verse rock your theology that all sickness is straight from Satan.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 1:06:01 PM
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drmark
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Let that verse rock your theology that all sickness is straight from Satan. It's a great verse to remind us that personal calamity does not have to result from personal sin. Job is an equally valid example of this Biblical principle yet Job was greatly afflicted "straight from Satan"! I'm afraid I don't see your point, 1l1G1w.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 1:31:26 PM
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The point is: our whole view of illness, I think, is a bit skewed.
Yes, I understand it is the result of the fall, but does that mean God hasn't adjusted his playbook a bit? Could He not cause one to be sick, instead of Satan?
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 1:33:00 PM
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drmark
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Now you're making even less sense! Did God cause the Fall?
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