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Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 5:08:24 PM
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solomonsprayer
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Ok, a bit of clarification..
Our world, a very sick one, values highly superficial and selfish things....people are admired, rewarded, sought after, praised etc. for their physical beauty, intelligence, money, social connections, power, and the like. While many people have these qualities and are loved by the world, many many others do not have or have to a lesser degree these same attributes. They feel a low sense of self worth (possibly even despair and rejection) for not being pretty enough, smart enough, charming enough, educated enough, etc. They do no have what the world values. They are rejected, despite being a precious human and creation of God. They are not loved the same, not treated the same. ...Our world considers these people losers.
We know that God loves and specifically created each and every human being. He loves us as we love our own children. I'm curious, though, why God gave people such varying degrees of skills and attractiveness in these areas. Why are some people given so much more physical beauty, intelligence, charm, etc. than another person? All in speculation of course. I'm not sure there is a specific Biblical answer.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 6:29:50 PM
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I think you already touched on the central issue. We value people according to a corrupt standard. We are fallen, and our values reflect that. I think, too, that the "disadvantaged" are more victims of the Fall of man and the curse, rather than necessarily specifically predesigned that way by God, but I don't insist on that view. In any case, God values by His own perfect standard. We, sinful man, value corruptly and behave accordingly. The "losers" are precious to God and will be rewarded on judgement day according to that which God values. I think we are all in for a bit of a shock on that day when God bestows honors and rewards to the faithful as to who is most highly honored and rewarded.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 6:34:33 PM
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Why are some people given so much more physical beauty, intelligence, charm, etc. than another person?
I created a thread on this a long time ago and I'm interested in the responses, because I've spent a lifetime struggling with this.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 6:56:11 PM
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karlie
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I'm curious, though, why God gave people such varying degrees of skills and attractiveness in these areas. Why are some people given so much more physical beauty, intelligence, charm, etc. than another person?
My personal opinion is it's to create in us the person He wants us to be, for His purpose and His glory, not our own.
We all have different personalities, but those personalities are partially formed and "tweaked" over the years by what we look like, how well respected and accepted we are, how we fit into the world, and what social and intellectual skills we have. Our responses to the world, and our interactions with others are very affected by those things, and by how others perceive us. We would be different people than we are today if we had been born with very different attributes, even if we were raised the same way.
I believe we are all called to a specific purpose, and that the gifts and attributes we are blessed with are part of what God uses to lead us there. If all of us were just mediocre in intelligence, then we may not have many doctors and scientists. And, if all of us were amazingly intelligent and gifted, then who would be the lawyers?? Juuuust kidding!   Seriously, I do believe God gives us what we need in order to become the people He wants us to become. We can choose to use those gifts(even though some attributes may seem like less of a gift than others!) and meet His potential in our lives, or we can choose to use it for our own purposes, or we can worry about what we weren't given and not use them at all.
And, as a side note...I don't believe anyone is created to be a "loser". If someone behaves as a loser because of a sinful nature, or views themselves as such and comes to believe they are worthless, that is a choice they make, not because God created them that way.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 7:04:32 PM
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You'll remember the story about Jesus, when He was in Bethany, a woman came to Him with a jar of expensive perfume which she poured on Him. The disciples thought it was a waste and felt the perfume could have been sold and the money given to the poor. Jesus said to them that the poor will always be with us.
Interestingly, no one asked Him "Why?"
Why should the poor be always with us? Why is it that despite all our efforts over the years to eliminate poverty the poor will always be there? Is Jesus saying that we're wasting our time and all our hard work is futile?
Of course not.
Is it perhaps that the poor are there to give us all an opportunity to practice charity?
So when you consider the "losers" around us. It is perhaps an opportunity for us "winners" to lend them a helping hand?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 7:13:20 PM
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I don't know that God micromanages the universe. Genetics, nation of birth, wealth of parents, etc. put each of us into a category that we may or may not be able to crawl out of. Our concepts of what is a "winner " or "loser" are determined by the culture and geographic area we live in, and our life experience.
Our ideas of what makes people losers changes as we age. Those I thought had it all together when I was 16 I now see as being far below that idea now that I am 48. Maturity on our part determines how we view people.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 7:17:28 PM
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how we perceive ourselves is not how God sees us
Num 13:30 - 33 (ESV) 30But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, “Let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able to overcome it.” 31Then the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we are.” 32So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, “The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. 33And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”
In terms of fair distribution of looks, etc
Matt 5:43 - 45 (ESV) 43“You have heard that it was said, £‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
But
1 Sam 16:6 - 7 (ESV) 6When they came, he looked on Eliab and thought, “Surely the Lord’s anointed is before him.” 7But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
Prov 31:30 Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.
Isa 53:2 - 3 (ESV) 2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and rejected£ by men; a man of sorrows,£ and acquainted with£ grief;£ and as one from whom men hide their faces£ he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 7:56:49 PM
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rumely, according to the truth of the word of god and to worldly standards all christians are losers anyway to the world. we do not see what the world sees. we see the truth of hearts and are given wisdom of spirits that are carried.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 8:00:03 PM
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I have spent a lifetime counselling folks, and many times the most beautiful people are also the most miserable.
Many Billionaires are not highly educated folks. They just had good ideas and believed in those ideas.
Many "not so handsome" folks have been presidents of the United States.
Many folks that are seeming flat out dumb and ugly to the bone are the most peaceful and happy folks I know.
It is not what one is born with, but what one does with what one has.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 8:21:43 PM
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Luke 12:48 does not answer the "why," but it does suggest a leveling of the playing field:
From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 9:13:12 PM
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Just take a look at something, If you are very attractive, then you will have more people hitting on you which means you have more opportunities to commit adultery. If you are wealthy, well we all know the camel's eye verse. I mean all those things are good and does not mean you cannot be a Christian, but with those things, they do bring problems as well.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 9:22:15 PM
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1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“ I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”[a]
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
this one? Pretty much all of 1cor is talking about him not having wisdom or persuasive speech but God speaking through him.
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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 9:41:01 PM
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1 Cor 4:11 - 13 (ESV) 11To the present hour we hunger and thirst, we are poorly dressed and buffeted and homeless, 12and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure; 13when slandered, we entreat. We have become, and are still, like the scum of the world, the refuse of all things.
Guess Paul didn't go to Joel Osteen's church
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 9:48:29 PM
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By the worlds standards I could be considered a loser and have been called that and worse.I have learning problems,don't drive cause of slow reaction time,don't work cause I'm on social security,etc. However whenever I feel down on myself Gods spirit speaks to me and reminds me how much worse things could be. With Gods help I am seeing myself more and more how he sees me,and learning what my worth in Jesus truly is. The world may say I'm a Loser but Jesus sees me as a winner in his eyes,and I love him for that.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 10:02:28 PM
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Romans 9:18-"So then, He has mercy on whom He desires and He hardens whom He desires based on our response to circumstance 19 yet we still whine when our circumstance isn’t what we think we deserve for disobedience; our own, on another’s part or just life experience, can be uncomfortable when we resist His will. 20 It’s selfish to assume life experience will proceed in our limited imagination 21 for a creator molds vessels designed for a specific use. 22 Some are designed to show even the Glory of God, some to be used and used up, to illuminate and make His Glory known in endurance with patience in wrath prepared for destruction. 23 He does so and makes the riches of His Glory vessels of His obedience which He prepared in advance for that very purpose."
Without 'losers' there wouldn't be any 'winners'. Regardless of the loss the 'winners' have the responsibility and privilege to come beside them, '...who knows, you could be in their shoes so never try to pay them back for evil(or disgust)but respect what is right in God’s eyes in sight of all men." Romans 12:16, 17
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 10:08:40 PM
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Actually I have been feeling like quite the loser these last two days.
When Satan tries to make you feel like a loser, read this verse.
Zeph 3:17 (HCSB) The LORD your God is among you, a warrior who saves. He will rejoice over you with gladness. He will bring you quietness with His love. He will delight in you with shouts of joy.”
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 10:17:11 PM
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When Satan tries to make you feel like a loser, read this verse.
Zeph 3:17 (HCSB) The LORD your God is among you, a warrior who saves. He will rejoice over you with gladness. He will bring you quietness with His love. He will delight in you with shouts of joy.”
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I love this verse.It really speaks to my heart.Thanks.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 10:17:53 PM
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AboundinginHisGrace
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Colliefan is your Tozer quote from Knowledge of the Holy? If so that is one of my favorite books
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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/30/2008 10:50:53 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: colliefan
When Satan tries to make you feel like a loser, read this verse.
Zeph 3:17 (HCSB) The LORD your God is among you, a warrior who saves. He will rejoice over you with gladness. He will bring you quietness with His love. He will delight in you with shouts of joy.”
Oh, wow! Thanks,Colliefan!
After that one, go to Isa. 43:1-7, and especially verse 4:
Since you were precious in My sight,
You have been honored,
And I have loved you
WOWWWWW!
God says in 1 Cor. 1:18-30 - well, you read it. It's terrific. Never feel bad about yourself again! 
We used to have a pastor who said that God puts a troublemaker in every Christian group, so people would learn to love unconditionally. If everyone in your circle is OK, then it's you.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 12:15:36 AM
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chrisovery
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have you ever noticed that every commandment that jesus has given to us in the worlds eyes makes us losers. funny isn't it.
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