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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 5:22:02 AM
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Thessa
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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayerI'm curious, though, why God gave people such varying degrees of skills and attractiveness in these areas. Why are some people given so much more physical beauty, intelligence, charm, etc. than another person?
It depends what you see as more physical beauty and intelligence and charm, etc.
Ive met some people that were beautiful/gorgeous, but once i got to know what kind of people they were i thought they were very unattractive.
I dont think God makes a person more attractive than another or smarter or with more charm...i think we are all born with the same amount and we each choose to take some away from what He initially gave us.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 12:28:58 PM
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We know that God loves and specifically created each and every human being.
If you work on that assumption, isn't it more troubling that God therefore created Hitler, Stalin and bin Laden, to name just three tyrants?
In addition, out of genuine curiousity: how do you believe God creates every human being - by controlling which sperm fertilises the ovum? As I said, genuinely curious as to how that would work in practice.
AiP
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 12:53:47 PM
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We know that God loves and specifically created each and every human being.
If you work on that assumption, isn't it more troubling that God therefore created Hitler, Stalin and bin Laden, to name just three tyrants?
God created them. The world system made them tyrants.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 12:55:43 PM
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atheistinpeace
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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
We know that God loves and specifically created each and every human being.
If you work on that assumption, isn't it more troubling that God therefore created Hitler, Stalin and bin Laden, to name just three tyrants?
God created them. The world system made them tyrants.
But wouldn't an omniscient creator choose not to create them, knowing how they'd turn out?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 1:01:00 PM
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We know that God loves and specifically created each and every human being.
If you work on that assumption, isn't it more troubling that God therefore created Hitler, Stalin and bin Laden, to name just three tyrants?
God created them. The world system made them tyrants.
But wouldn't an omniscient creator choose not to create them, knowing how they'd turn out?
That would take the responsibility off of us (which is where it belongs). God did not choose to create me because of how I'd turn out. Nor did He create you knowing how you'd turn out (which hasn't happened yet BTW.)
God made us out of love. Ever patient, ever waiting for His creation to turn to Him, knowing it won't happen. That's the definition of love. It's easy to show kindness to someone that you know will turn to you. The only One that can love those that choose not to reciprocate that love is God. Only He can love like that.
When you and I have time, I'll give you a little "history lesson" that can explain my views on this, but that would be another thread because it would be off topic in this one.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 3:59:34 PM
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Colliefan is your Tozer quote from Knowledge of the Holy? If so that is one of my favorite books
I believe so, I took the quote from my computer bible so I am not sure of the exact source.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 4:46:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: atheistinpeaceBut wouldn't an omniscient creator choose not to create them, knowing how they'd turn out?
But He did know, and created them anyway, Atheistinpeace. He made us to have free will, which means we can choose to reject God. If He didn't let us reject Him then we wouldn't have free will. So there are people who've rejected God and are doing their own "thing." You can look at Hitler and see where that can lead. We are born broken, and only God can fix it (when we come to Him).
Here's the fun part - God uses people's awfulness to do good. He promises to make things work out for good (inferring things aren't so good in the middle part) because He draws us to Him when we become aware how lost we are, and He shapes our lives to make good things happen inside us. So God used the torture/death of an innocent man 2000 years ago to bring us back into a right relationship with God. Sin demands a payment of death, so a sinless man died so the sinful people could have a relationship with God again. God lets people trade places with Jesus: His righteousness for our brokenness, His death for our life. Brilliant!
Romans 8:28,29 gives the whole plan and God's purpose: to make us like Jesus. Jesus is God and perfect morally and spiritually and God wants us to be the same. And He does it because we can't do it ourselves.
What a relief. Bad times lead to good endings, and God does all the heavy lifting. He said your sin is forgiven, and all He wants for you to do is know it and believe it, bottom line.
God made the universe a moral place, and only His way works. Anything else is like trying to drive a car with square wheels.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 8/31/2008 4:57:42 PM
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In addition, out of genuine curiousity: how do you believe God creates every human being - by controlling which sperm fertilises the ovum? As I said, genuinely curious as to how that would work in practice.
AiP
In the Old Testament (stuff in the Bible that was finished by 400 BC) there was "throwing lots," which is a version of throwing dice.
Proverbs 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD.
So the Bible says there is no chance in this matter, but I don't know how you'd prove it empirically. God plays a deep game.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 9/1/2008 9:50:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
We know that God loves and specifically created each and every human being.
If you work on that assumption, isn't it more troubling that God therefore created Hitler, Stalin and bin Laden, to name just three tyrants?
In addition, out of genuine curiousity: how do you believe God creates every human being - by controlling which sperm fertilises the ovum? As I said, genuinely curious as to how that would work in practice.
AiP
Yes He can do that. Just look at the universe..... If he can just speak all that into existence I am sure he can guide a sperm to a certain egg. As for the people you mentioned, God didn't make them that way, they chose to be that way.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 9/1/2008 10:09:14 AM
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We know that God loves and specifically created each and every human being.
If you work on that assumption, isn't it more troubling that God therefore created Hitler, Stalin and bin Laden, to name just three tyrants?
God created them. The world system made them tyrants.
But wouldn't an omniscient creator choose not to create them, knowing how they'd turn out?
Are you saying God made you an Atheist or did you choose?
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RE: Why Did God Create "Losers" in the World? - 9/2/2008 2:02:44 AM
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To be quick here...my belief is that our perception of people as "losers" is really just looking at ourselves through the world's glasses. Doesn't God love the Nobel prize winner as much as the sewer worker? If the sewer worker does the best job he/she can do are they a loser? I believe God sees no difference in these. Wouldn't we think it is silly that one Nobel prize winner in literature feels inferior to another Nobel Prize winner in chemistry. This is easy to say but hard to really believe in real life that as long as we are doing something for the Glory of the Lord we are all winners.
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