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Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 2:11:24 PM
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deliveredarling
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I heard a comment today, that made me stop a go, Hmmmmmm.
Here's the thought:
What if God is sending a message to the republicans by Gustav approaching and the destruction it will cause, to the convention?
I thought, how interesting. That would have never crossed my mind.....
Could God be sending a message? The republican that has been running this country has done quite a number and if they continue to hold office, will this same destructive nature trend forward?
Curious what others think about this.
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 3:19:26 PM
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I seriously doubt it.
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 3:23:46 PM
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Nature happens. I find it interesting that, for all the days of nice, pleasant weather we have had lately, we don't associate that with God being pleased with us.
God certainly can use natural forces to send us a message, but I think it's foolish to assume that every bigger-than-normal event is a direct message from God.
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 3:25:45 PM
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Was God sending a message on 9/11? Was God sending a message with Katrina? Is God sending a message with Gustav? Regards of what political party is in control the message is to repent, both individually and corporately.
Luke 13:1 - 5 (ESV) 1There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 3:26:30 PM
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It's a true statement that people say these things when they want to sway God's favor in their direction, you know?
They said similar things about God condemning New Orleans for it's moral decline.
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 3:53:38 PM
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How many wars have been fought with people believing God was on their side?
God does not take sides; political or otherwise.
He stands for good. Good can be found in every party, in every country, race and creed. So is bad.
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 3:55:19 PM
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They said similar things about God condemning New Orleans for it's moral decline.
There is something in the human psyche that wants to play moral economics. The turth is God hates all sin. But for the grace of God, we would all face a Cat 5 storm on a daily basis.
The task here is to use our God-given wisdom to get people in the affected area to safety, help shelter them through the storm, and help them rebuild their lives after the storm.
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 6:11:08 PM
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God is sending messages and has always done so. He does not need to use a storm in the Gulf to get His point across. However, it goes without saying that minds and hearts are being changed due to the outpouring of love and support to numerous people fleeing this storm.
So, if a particular group gets a particular message because of Gustav, God can handle the blame or the glory.
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RE: Interesting thought - 8/31/2008 9:58:10 PM
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God does not take sides; political or otherwise.
Actually He does take the side of His people and even fights our battles. In the OT there are many accounts of these. Thing is people have become so much more perverse in subtle ways now that the circumcised (of heart) have become as the uncircumcised and vice versa, churches are full of them. God makes the sun to shine on the just and unjust alike. Likewise He makes the storm happen on the just and unjust with miracles to protect the truly just (in Christ) amongst it all.
What is a "natural disaster" if not a work of God? The forces in nature belong to God and to say He hasn't got a hand in it is to say He has lost His power in it.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/1/2008 11:54:42 AM
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Could God be sending a message? The republican that has been running this country has done quite a number and if they continue to hold office, will this same destructive nature trend forward?
Seems to me that some folks find their God in their view of politics and world affairs. The destructive manner in which we keep moving forward has nothing to do with who WE vote into office. It also seems that we like to have others, like the president, to blame for things as a means of not looking at our own sin.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/1/2008 12:41:06 PM
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Seems to me that some folks find their God in their view of politics and world affairs. The destructive manner in which we keep moving forward has nothing to do with who WE vote into office. It also seems that we like to have others, like the president, to blame for things as a means of not looking at our own sin.
What does looking at our own sin have to do with it?
I'm sure some people do find God in their view of politics and world affairs.
As I said in another thread, I don't favor either of the candidates. Either or will lead us down the road to destruction. It's now just a decision of who will lead us slower.
I absolutely am not a bush fan. His time in office has been extremely destructive for this country, but that doesn't in any shape or form mean that the hurricane is God's way of showing his favor toward the democrats. That is a ridiculous thought.
It's a natural disaster. Could God intervene, sure. Has He, I believe He heard the prayers of His people and minimized the catastrophic effects that the hurricane could have been.
I do not believe He allowed it as a punishment or as a warning to the republicans.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/1/2008 12:56:11 PM
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Generally, circumstance just lays there; our response to circumstance(loss or victory is always personal)is the telling point whether we cower in continued bitterness or use it(them)for an opportunity to rise to His Challenge.
I'm reading Alvin Felzenberg's, 'The Leaders We Deserve(and a few we didn't)'and even the great presidents had their moments of near collapse. Even the poor ones(some)had flashes of conscience. Such as life.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/1/2008 5:02:18 PM
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God does not take sides; political or otherwise.
Actually He does take the side of His people and even fights our battles. In the OT there are many accounts of these. Thing is people have become so much more perverse in subtle ways now that the circumcised (of heart) have become as the uncircumcised and vice versa, churches are full of them. God makes the sun to shine on the just and unjust alike. Likewise He makes the storm happen on the just and unjust with miracles to protect the truly just (in Christ) amongst it all.
What is a "natural disaster" if not a work of God? The forces in nature belong to God and to say He hasn't got a hand in it is to say He has lost His power in it.
This is a very true statement Giulia.
The storms, the hurricanes, the twisters, the earthquakes, etc... will always be. Does God use them? Absolutely... just the same as He does all the other situations in our lives.
He will give beauty for ashes... strength for fear. Whatever the enemy tries to use for evil, God will change to good.
Off topic side note: If any of you have not seen the cival forum held by Rick Warren... speaking to and hearing from Obama and McCain on evangelical issues... it is worth your time to watch it. Not sure how to get it... but I'm sure it's on the net somewhere. imoho... Obama flopped!
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/1/2008 11:31:57 PM
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God makes the sun to shine on the just and unjust alike. Likewise He makes the storm happen on the just and unjust with miracles to protect the truly just (in Christ) amongst it all.
Clarify please---are you stating that those people who survive a natural disaster are "the truly just (in Christ) amongst it all", or that those who lose their lives, or even just their property or possessions, are NOT the "truly just (in Christ)"?
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/1/2008 11:58:42 PM
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I heard a comment today, that made me stop a go, Hmmmmmm.
Here's the thought: What if God is sending a message to the republicans by Gustav approaching and the destruction it will cause, to the convention? I thought, how interesting. That would have never crossed my mind..... Could God be sending a message? The republican that has been running this country has done quite a number and if they continue to hold office, will this same destructive nature trend forward? Curious what others think about this.
It's a true statement that people say these things when they want to sway God's favor in their direction, you know? They said similar things about God condemning New Orleans for it's moral decline.
I'm not arguing for or against the statement made. I found it interesting because I could make arguments for both sides of it.( Which is a very strange place for me to be ) I think it's dangerous ground for a person to pronounce God's wrath on an area. We could say that God has displayed His wrath on any number of natural disasters, but would it be true? Only He knows the answer to that.
What does looking at our own sin have to do with it? I'm sure some people do find God in their view of politics and world affairs. As I said in another thread, I don't favor either of the candidates. Either or will lead us down the road to destruction. It's now just a decision of who will lead us slower. I absolutely am not a bush fan. His time in office has been extremely destructive for this country, but that doesn't in any shape or form mean that the hurricane is God's way of showing his favor toward the democrats. That is a ridiculous thought. It's a natural disaster. Could God intervene, sure. Has He, I believe He heard the prayers of His people and minimized the catastrophic effects that the hurricane could have been. I do not believe He allowed it as a punishment or as a warning to the republicans.
Your first ?: What if God's sending a message using hurricane Gustav as the messenger, and by pointing it at the Republican convention. I don't buy that idea, not for a second. Storms don't have voices. Storms have high winds, heavy rains... this particular storm system killed people on the way toward the U.S. You are somewhat suggesting that God would kill people he may or may not be angry with prior to brining the message home to the target. Gustav does not have a message.
What's this about one man running the USA and a nature trend continue on if someone like him is elected? That's the most obnoxious thing I've ever heard of. Time to dig out your reference books, friend. There's no one person who runs the USA. There's three branches of government involved in the process, remember? We are not living in a dictatorship.
on your 2nd group of comments: When somethng environmentally disastrous happens, people attach the hand of God to it, like a huge tornado, or earthquake. Maybe they do, and maybe they don't. How many people do you hear saying yep, God steered that right into Sin city, boy that place was a cesspool of sin. Ever hear anyone say, yep, he sure did, but he steered it away from Little Whitelies township just two miles away! They went untouched! Nope, the focus is always on where the big offenders likely were. Why is it that God is condemning New Orleans in such stories, and not the PEOPLE of New Orleans and all the sin-seeking visitors, Hmmm? What do you think offends him, a city, or the citizens of that city.
God displaying his wrath on hurricanes... let's see... each year the USA has a period of time known as a hurricane season- a time when hurricanes are most likely to form near our country. According to thinking of others, that suggests that God gets really wrathful each year at about the same time, and then (on a whim?) directs them on in toward landfalls? Where they cause massive damage, mudslides, and death? Where they wipe the surface of the earth clean of all of mankind's prideful buildings and earthly treasures and possessions? Then, in the off season, God causes flowers to bloom, people to buy gifts for each other in love, the rebuilding of residences and a means of subsistence, and then before He knows it, it's time to get furious and punish again?
If there's anything interesting about this post, it's how the political climate of the USA, the unpredictability of its weather, ponderings on God's involvement in that weather scene, and what God might be trying to tell the people of the USA all roll up into one little post that tries to explain it all at once.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/2/2008 2:25:27 AM
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My thoughts today about the hurricane were
How much the Lord blessed those in the path of the hurricane.
It was predicted to be one of the worst to ever hit the US
Before it ever hit land it had lost a lot of power,and was only a cat 2 instead of a 4 or 5 as was predicted.
I thanked him that the evacuations went so well
I thanked the Lord for calming the winds and helping the areas.
I thanked him for hearing our prayers and being merciful.
If you really want to think he sent it to make a point why would it it have lost strength.
And as for the republican convention did you realize they used the convention to raise a million and half dollars to help the hurricane victims.
I dont think it caused any troubles to the convention except some change in plans
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/2/2008 11:37:11 AM
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What does looking at our own sin have to do with it?
It seems we get so focused on the things the media places before us, things that are way outside our circle of influence that we neglect the one anothers within the circumfrence we can do something about.
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As I said in another thread, I don't favor either of the candidates. Either or will lead us down the road to destruction. It's now just a decision of who will lead us slower.
What about God's timing in all of this? Isn't He in control? If He is, why be so concerned?
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I absolutely am not a bush fan. His time in office has been extremely destructive for this country, but that doesn't in any shape or form mean that the hurricane is God's way of showing his favor toward the democrats. That is a ridiculous thought.
It's a thought you introduced. Seems to me that most folks I hear bantering on about change don't have a clear definition of what that change is. All they want is to get Bush out of office. Their hatred of Bush is so strong they're willing to accept anything that does not resemble Bus. What about the Clinton years? Because of the Clinton years, oral sex is no longer considered sex, it's akin to another greeting such as a handshake. From my perspective the Clinton years led us even further down a path or moral decline.
I'm also curious where your perspective on how Bush has been so destructive to the nation comes from? Is it from the major media networks or do you do additional research to support this opnion?
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/2/2008 12:18:42 PM
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Well I suppose it depends on how one views the things Bush has done and what one believes to be moral or immoral.
Personally, I believe that we are in a country now hated by other countries because of Bush's doings. We have a never ending war that had nothing to do with terrorism.
To claim it is all in the name of freedom is a veil of deception put across the American people's eyes.
To say that it is for God is a lie.
Thousands have dies for this war on terror needlessly.
Our economy is the way it is because of greed and power.
You need proof?
What the documentary Irag for sale, then we can discuss further.
If you haven't seen it, you are at a disadvantage. No intelligent dialogue can occur on this subject.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/2/2008 5:33:12 PM
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Personally, I believe that we are in a country now hated by other countries because of Bush's doings. We have a never ending war that had nothing to do with terrorism.
Do they really hate us because of Bush? Haven't we been hated by other countries during previous presidential administrations?
Seems to me that the Islamic nations hate us because of the filth our country produces and exports. The Europeans hate us for the same reasons we dislike them: we're too full of ourselves.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/2/2008 6:03:13 PM
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Seems to me that the Islamic nations hate us because of the filth our country produces and exports. The Europeans hate us for the same reasons we dislike them: we're too full of ourselves
They hate us because we are arrogant and presume to know what's best for a country who survived without us for thousands of years.
We have destroyed their country trying to impose ours belief systems upon them.
I would hate a country that tried to come into the US and force their beliefs and systems upon us, all because they thought we would be better off.
I truly don't believe we would have a terror threat or need to fear terrorists, if we had of just let them be.
We are a busybody country who wants to be the masqueraded white night, attempting to rush into save the day. And we are looking out for our own best interest while doing it. It's not true concern for the country, it's because we benefit from it in some way. Irag is because of the oil. It had nothing to do with Hussein, he was just the mask for us to hide behind.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/2/2008 8:08:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
I heard a comment today, that made me stop a go, Hmmmmmm.
Here's the thought:
What if God is sending a message to the republicans by Gustav approaching and the destruction it will cause, to the convention?
I thought, how interesting. That would have never crossed my mind.....
Could God be sending a message? The republican that has been running this country has done quite a number and if they continue to hold office, will this same destructive nature trend forward?
Curious what others think about this.
Well, if God was using Gustav to send a message, He didn't do that great of a job of it - it weakened considerably, wasn't as bad as they were expecting, and the RNC is going back to its normal schedule today.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/2/2008 11:41:04 PM
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Seems to me that the Islamic nations hate us because of the filth our country produces and exports. The Europeans hate us for the same reasons we dislike them: we're too full of ourselves
They hate us because we are arrogant and presume to know what's best for a country who survived without us for thousands of years.
We have destroyed their country trying to impose ours belief systems upon them.
I would hate a country that tried to come into the US and force their beliefs and systems upon us, all because they thought we would be better off.
I truly don't believe we would have a terror threat or need to fear terrorists, if we had of just let them be.
We are a busybody country who wants to be the masqueraded white night, attempting to rush into save the day. And we are looking out for our own best interest while doing it. It's not true concern for the country, it's because we benefit from it in some way. Irag is because of the oil. It had nothing to do with Hussein, he was just the mask for us to hide behind.
Wow, I'm sorry you feel this way. How do you come to this conclusion? Independent research? Or CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC?
While it may seem we're trying to impose our belief system on them, Osama Bin Laden and other radical Islam leaders have clearly stated that they want the rest of the world to convert to Islam or die. If we simply let the terrorists be, we would not know about them because our media would not report about them and then they would come over here and impose their will on us.
If we have imposed anything on them, it's our culture. We produce all the glamour and help facilitate that natural human sin nature of covetousness. For the radical Islamic folks, they see our culture for what it is and they seek to stop the spread by force. It seems that many Americans, if they are guilty of anything, is thinking that the rest of the world thinks in the same way we do.
This is really a world view issue. One thing I can say in favor of Islam is that many more of their followers seem to stay true to the teachings of the Koran than Christians do to the Bible. Here in the states we take in so much garbage via TV, radio, internet, print that it affects the way we think and we can't even tell that others are directing our thoughts, tellying us how and what to think. Think about this before hitting the reply button.
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RE: Interesting thought - 9/3/2008 7:15:02 AM
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Independent research
What I have learned has been through independent research. The news tells us only what they want us to know and often puts more emphasis on the dog and pony show of red herrings rather than report on what is actually occuring-remember Paris Hilton, OJ Simpson?
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If we simply let the terrorists be, we would not know about them because our media would not report about them and then they would come over here and impose their will on us.
They wouldn't be imposing their will on us because they wouldn't feel threatened by us. Every country that has ever retaliated against us has been because we made the first move. Their position is a reactionary one. Our country would do the same thing. So, I don't blame them for not desiring to have their toes stepped on.
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This is really a world view issue. One thing I can say in favor of Islam is that many more of their followers seem to stay true to the teachings of the Koran than Christians do to the Bible. Here in the states we take in so much garbage via TV, radio, internet, print that it affects the way we think and we can't even tell that others are directing our thoughts, tellying us how and what to think. Think about this before hitting the reply button.
I don't need to consider the thought before responding. I'm quite clear on where i stand on this issue. If it were a predominate thought process across the US, I could see how it might have been influenced by those sources. The fact is, the majority of folks, do not share my world view. That alone tells me that, too many are influenced by the drugeny of the media. Believing only what the hear or read about in the news. That information is incomplete at best.
However many years ago that it began, we lost sight of God leading and directing our country and relying on His Spirit for instruction and guidance. We do not rely on conscience, when depend upon greed. Common sense has gone out the window. We have very real problems when illegal immigrants have ore rights than the citizens. We have real problems when another countries flags are allowed to fly because the illegals protested. When the Spanish button is number one and English is number two.
We are the only country in the world that caters to illegal immigrants.
We are the only country in the world that allows the minority idea to pass in the face of a majority consensus.
Whe the one person has a problem with something and can get their position upheld versus the majority of the US.
If I can sum up this country with a few bible verses it is these:
2Ti 3:1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
2Ti 3:6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses,
2Ti 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these {men} also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also.
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