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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/4/2008 6:45:06 PM
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Experts offer scaled-back sea level rise forecast
By Will Dunham, Reuters
2 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Worldwide sea levels may rise by about 2.6 to 6.6 feet by 2100 thanks to global warming, but dire predictions of larger increases seem unrealistic, U.S. scientists said on Thursday.
They examined scenarios for loss of ice from Greenland, Antarctica and the world's smaller glaciers and ice caps into the world's oceans, as well as ocean expansion simply due to rising water temperatures.
Their calculations yielded estimates for global sea level increases by the end of the century that are lower than many existing projections, but alarming nonetheless.
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Ever wonder if the dire global warming forecasts will be like the regular weather. As we get closer to the time things are supposed to happen, we'll notice the predictions shrink more and more? Sort of like the forecasts for bad weather in the winter.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/4/2008 7:28:02 PM
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Experts offer scaled-back sea level rise forecast
By Will Dunham, Reuters
2 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Worldwide sea levels may rise by about 2.6 to 6.6 feet by 2100 thanks to global warming, but dire predictions of larger increases seem unrealistic, U.S. scientists said on Thursday.
They examined scenarios for loss of ice from Greenland, Antarctica and the world's smaller glaciers and ice caps into the world's oceans, as well as ocean expansion simply due to rising water temperatures.
Their calculations yielded estimates for global sea level increases by the end of the century that are lower than many existing projections, but alarming nonetheless.
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Ever wonder if the dire global warming forecasts will be like the regular weather. As we get closer to the time things are supposed to happen, we'll notice the predictions shrink more and more? Sort of like the forecasts for bad weather in the winter.
They will shrink more and more. This is junk science.
I propose a science experiment for anyone who buys the sea-level rising hysteria. Next time you're in a restaurant, leave one glass of ice water full for your whole meal. Notice if the ice melting in the glass will cause the glass to over-flow. It will not. It's simple physics. Ice melting in a body of water does NOT raise the surface level of the water. Ice melting from glaciers on land will raise sea levels a bit, but even in Greenland, the ice sheet is thickening in the middle as the edges melt.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/thinningice.html
A quote from the end of this article - "The 10 to 12 years that we have been conducting these studies is very short in glaciological terms," he adds. "These are features that change over decades and centuries. You have to be cautious when talking about these short term changes, but we are seeing steady trends."
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/4/2008 7:38:16 PM
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Experts offer scaled-back sea level rise forecast
By Will Dunham, Reuters
2 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Worldwide sea levels may rise by about 2.6 to 6.6 feet by 2100 thanks to global warming, but dire predictions of larger increases seem unrealistic, U.S. scientists said on Thursday.
They examined scenarios for loss of ice from Greenland, Antarctica and the world's smaller glaciers and ice caps into the world's oceans, as well as ocean expansion simply due to rising water temperatures.
Their calculations yielded estimates for global sea level increases by the end of the century that are lower than many existing projections, but alarming nonetheless.
Story Continues
Ever wonder if the dire global warming forecasts will be like the regular weather. As we get closer to the time things are supposed to happen, we'll notice the predictions shrink more and more? Sort of like the forecasts for bad weather in the winter.
They will shrink more and more. This is junk science.
I propose a science experiment for anyone who buys the sea-level rising hysteria. Next time you're in a restaurant, leave one glass of ice water full for your whole meal. Notice if the ice melting in the glass will cause the glass to over-flow. It will not. It's simple physics. Ice melting in a body of water does NOT raise the surface level of the water. Ice melting from glaciers on land will raise sea levels a bit, but even in Greenland, the ice sheet is thickening in the middle as the edges melt.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/thinningice.html
A quote from the end of this article - "The 10 to 12 years that we have been conducting these studies is very short in glaciological terms," he adds. "These are features that change over decades and centuries. You have to be cautious when talking about these short term changes, but we are seeing steady trends."
Exactly. And the truth has been known for centuries. Archimedes Principle
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/4/2008 9:54:20 PM
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Ice melting from glaciers on land will raise sea levels a bit
And that's the raising they're talking about. Show me where these PhD researchers overlooked the Archimedes Principle that we all learn in Jr High science. Seriously, do you guys really think that these thousands of scientists all manage to collectively ignore something so simple? You don't think there would have been a grad student somewhere that would have said, "Ummm.... Guys..." ??? Come on. It's mindless caricatures like this that make me take the right wing as seriously as I take the ELF.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/4/2008 11:28:58 PM
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[If you want to return to the days before the Industrial Revolution, I am sure that there is a cave near you that will accomdate you. You can wash your clothes in the nearest stream, lug your water from that stream, and go to the bathroom in the hole behind your cave.
You have NOI answered my questions. Since you seem to love the pre-industrial revolution days so much, why don't you want to return to those days. So you want to return to the days where a great deal of women died in childbirth? Do you want to return to the days where whooping cough killed a geat deal of children?
Do you want to return to not having a car, TV, ipod, computer, cell phone, DVD player, air conditioning, heating, indoor plumbing, stoves, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes dryers....Do you want to have to grow your own food, grow your own aninals, hunt for your own kill....
Or, are you just a non-thinking individual who has brought into Pope Al Bore's lies and one who loves the life of a polar bear over the life of a baby with down syndrome?
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/4/2008 11:54:09 PM
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[If you want to return to the days before the Industrial Revolution, I am sure that there is a cave near you that will accomdate you. You can wash your clothes in the nearest stream, lug your water from that stream, and go to the bathroom in the hole behind your cave.
You have NOI answered my questions. Since you seem to love the pre-industrial revolution days so much, why don't you want to return to those days. So you want to return to the days where a great deal of women died in childbirth? Do you want to return to the days where whooping cough killed a geat deal of children?
Do you want to return to not having a car, TV, ipod, computer, cell phone, DVD player, air conditioning, heating, indoor plumbing, stoves, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes dryers....Do you want to have to grow your own food, grow your own aninals, hunt for your own kill....
Or, are you just a non-thinking individual who has brought into Pope Al Bore's lies and one who loves the life of a polar bear over the life of a baby with down syndrome?
Is there really any point in these sorts of comments? What do you hope to accomplish by mischaracterizing his position? Does it make you feel better to "win" the argument by attacking a position that nobody's advocating? Seriously, how many people advocating a "greener" lifestyle really want us to go back to living in a pre-Industrial Era society?
If you want, I could argue that in pre-industrial days, we were a lot less effective at poisoning people with chemical waste, a lot less effective at killing people with industrial accidents resulting from greed and poor safety practices, a lot less effective at wiping out entire species and ecosystems because of poor resource management.
But that argument would be just as nonsensical as yours. There are pros and cons of every society and when progressing technologically, it's important to be mindful of the increased power wielded by those who control the technology. With greater capacity for good also comes greater capacity for harm.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 8:54:09 AM
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At the risk of ruining some perfectly good wisful thinking / based on false-to-fact premises, both the Antartic and Greenland ice caps rest on dry land, above sea level - and thus not only does the Archimedes Principle not apply to them, it is completely irrelevant to them.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 9:49:01 AM
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At the risk of ruining some perfectly good wisful thinking / based on false-to-fact premises, both the Antartic and Greenland ice caps rest on dry land, above sea level - and thus not only does the Archimedes Principle not apply to them, it is completely irrelevant to them.
Lets take Greenlands melting. from this article
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Her much-anticipated results showed a net mass loss for the ice sheet of 248 gigatons per year—enough to raise sea level about half a millimeter each year.
Half a milimeter per year, however shall we out run it? but wait I see on the next page of article that this was flawed data Greenland is actually losing
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Using these finer resolutions of space and time on GRACE data, Luthcke calculated a net annual ice loss for the Greenland ice sheet of about 101 gigatons per year
So greenland adds 1/4 of one millimeter per year to the dreaded sea rise. How could anyone have neglected that? 
From this article on the antarctic ice sheet.
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In 2006, accelerating glaciers spewed an estimated 192 billion tonnes of Antarctic ice into the sea, scientists calculate ... The loss of 192 billion tonnes is more than twice the annual flow of the river Nile when it reaches the sea, according to a calculation by AFP.
Seen by another yardstick, it is equivalent to an annual rise in global sea levels of about 0.5 mm, if factors such as evaporation and effects on precipitation are not factored in.
So we have a total of .75 mm increase from your two ice sheets. If my conversion skills still hold there are something around 2.54 ish centimeters in an inch and 10 milimeters to a centimeter so to get a rise of one inch out of the Greenland and Antarctic would take 33.8666666 years, IF you neglect evaporation.
But wait there is evidence that the east of Antarctica may be recapturing some of that run off as the snowfalls are increasing in that region.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 10:02:17 AM
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At the risk of ruining some perfectly good wisful thinking / based on false-to-fact premises, both the Antartic and Greenland ice caps rest on dry land, above sea level - and thus not only does the Archimedes Principle not apply to them, it is completely irrelevant to them.
Lets take Greenlands melting. from this article
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Her much-anticipated results showed a net mass loss for the ice sheet of 248 gigatons per year—enough to raise sea level about half a millimeter each year.
Half a milimeter per year, however shall we out run it? but wait I see on the next page of article that this was flawed data Greenland is actually losing
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Using these finer resolutions of space and time on GRACE data, Luthcke calculated a net annual ice loss for the Greenland ice sheet of about 101 gigatons per year
So greenland adds 1/4 of one millimeter per year to the dreaded sea rise. How could anyone have neglected that?
From this article on the antarctic ice sheet.
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In 2006, accelerating glaciers spewed an estimated 192 billion tonnes of Antarctic ice into the sea, scientists calculate ... The loss of 192 billion tonnes is more than twice the annual flow of the river Nile when it reaches the sea, according to a calculation by AFP.
Seen by another yardstick, it is equivalent to an annual rise in global sea levels of about 0.5 mm, if factors such as evaporation and effects on precipitation are not factored in.
So we have a total of .75 mm increase from your two ice sheets. If my conversion skills still hold there are something around 2.54 ish centimeters in an inch and 10 milimeters to a centimeter so to get a rise of one inch out of the Greenland and Antarctic would take 33.8666666 years, IF you neglect evaporation.
But wait there is evidence that the east of Antarctica may be recapturing some of that run off as the snowfalls are increasing in that region.
Did you guys read your own articles? Most of the projected increase in ocean level is from thermal expansion, not glacial runoff.
-Dan.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 10:03:37 AM
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At the risk of ruining some perfectly good wisful thinking / based on false-to-fact premises, both the Antartic and Greenland ice caps rest on dry land, above sea level - and thus not only does the Archimedes Principle not apply to them, it is completely irrelevant to them.
Lets take Greenlands melting. from this article
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Her much-anticipated results showed a net mass loss for the ice sheet of 248 gigatons per year—enough to raise sea level about half a millimeter each year.
Half a milimeter per year, however shall we out run it? but wait I see on the next page of article that this was flawed data Greenland is actually losing
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Using these finer resolutions of space and time on GRACE data, Luthcke calculated a net annual ice loss for the Greenland ice sheet of about 101 gigatons per year
So greenland adds 1/4 of one millimeter per year to the dreaded sea rise. How could anyone have neglected that?
From this article on the antarctic ice sheet.
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In 2006, accelerating glaciers spewed an estimated 192 billion tonnes of Antarctic ice into the sea, scientists calculate ... The loss of 192 billion tonnes is more than twice the annual flow of the river Nile when it reaches the sea, according to a calculation by AFP.
Seen by another yardstick, it is equivalent to an annual rise in global sea levels of about 0.5 mm, if factors such as evaporation and effects on precipitation are not factored in.
So we have a total of .75 mm increase from your two ice sheets. If my conversion skills still hold there are something around 2.54 ish centimeters in an inch and 10 milimeters to a centimeter so to get a rise of one inch out of the Greenland and Antarctic would take 33.8666666 years, IF you neglect evaporation.
But wait there is evidence that the east of Antarctica may be recapturing some of that run off as the snowfalls are increasing in that region.
Did you guys read your own articles? Most of the projected increase in ocean level is from thermal expansion, not glacial runoff.
-Dan.
I am not the one that brought up the ice sheets, i just replied
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 10:09:15 AM
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I am not the one that brought up the ice sheets, i just replied
You didn't, but somebody on "your side" did. I initially posed a rhetorical question about how much GW will affect global sea levels, to which Marcus replied with an article about revised projections and Backrowbaptist chimed in about how it's all junk science and Dubya offered Archimedes' Principle of as a reason why.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 10:23:02 AM
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It was, however, heartwarming to see the 'Archimedes Priciple' irrelevantos back off their erroneous position as soon as they were called on it.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 10:28:53 AM
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I am not the one that brought up the ice sheets, i just replied
You didn't, but somebody on "your side" did. I initially posed a rhetorical question about how much GW will affect global sea levels, to which Marcus replied with an article about revised projections and Backrowbaptist chimed in about how it's all junk science and Dubya offered Archimedes' Principle of as a reason why.
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It is not "my side". I know that global warming is happening but from the data i can find only a small part of it can be attributed to man. From Ice core data it is obvious that the cycle we are in is not an anomaly, which is important in making decisions on what we can do about it. I am not some head in the sand that doesn't see a warming trend. What bothers me is that the majority of the warming is natural and it will continue no matter what we do and we are focusing on the small portion attributed to us and ignoring that the sea levels will rise and that our real efforts need to be focused on mitigating the impact on people as much as possible. It also bothers me when we jump to "solutions" without first looking at the overall picture. Sure ethanol reduces our carbon output, IF it is made using energy that is not derived from fossil fues, since it takes nearly as much energy to produce as you get out of it and then we can't afford to eat anymore because we are driving on food. Then there is the issue of the environmental rape that must happen to produce the batteries that we need for hybrids and electric cars, many of which are not easily recycled at the end of their useful life. My concern is that the scare tactics of the GW supporters will lead to us simply trading our current issues for others which may be worse than what we currently face.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 10:36:37 AM
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It was, however, heartwarming to see the 'Archimedes Priciple' irrelevantos back off their erroneous position as soon as they were called on it.
Well to be completely fair, as far as ice sheets go the 'archimedes priciple'[sic] irrelevantos as you call them were in fact justified. Their arguements do not take into account the thermal expansion but as far as ice sheets go the Arctic ice sheet was the one that previously showed the greatest signs of decline and the archimedes principle does in fact apply there and the other major ice sheets make up next to nothing for sea rise. If you have nothing of substance to add to the debate, why are you here.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 11:50:22 AM
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[If you want to return to the days before the Industrial Revolution, I am sure that there is a cave near you that will accomdate you. You can wash your clothes in the nearest stream, lug your water from that stream, and go to the bathroom in the hole behind your cave.
You have NOI answered my questions. Since you seem to love the pre-industrial revolution days so much, why don't you want to return to those days. So you want to return to the days where a great deal of women died in childbirth? Do you want to return to the days where whooping cough killed a geat deal of children?
Do you want to return to not having a car, TV, ipod, computer, cell phone, DVD player, air conditioning, heating, indoor plumbing, stoves, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes dryers....Do you want to have to grow your own food, grow your own aninals, hunt for your own kill....
Or, are you just a non-thinking individual who has brought into Pope Al Bore's lies and one who loves the life of a polar bear over the life of a baby with down syndrome?
Before you go any farther, perhaps you should take time to look up the meaning of the term "false dilemma". Once you've bothered to do that, I will be glad to point out to you just how thoroughly you have committed that error in your rationale.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 1:58:16 PM
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[If you want to return to the days before the Industrial Revolution, I am sure that there is a cave near you that will accomdate you. You can wash your clothes in the nearest stream, lug your water from that stream, and go to the bathroom in the hole behind your cave.
You have NOI answered my questions. Since you seem to love the pre-industrial revolution days so much, why don't you want to return to those days. So you want to return to the days where a great deal of women died in childbirth? Do you want to return to the days where whooping cough killed a geat deal of children?
Do you want to return to not having a car, TV, ipod, computer, cell phone, DVD player, air conditioning, heating, indoor plumbing, stoves, refrigerators, washing machines, clothes dryers....Do you want to have to grow your own food, grow your own aninals, hunt for your own kill....
Or, are you just a non-thinking individual who has brought into Pope Al Bore's lies and one who loves the life of a polar bear over the life of a baby with down syndrome?
Before you go any farther, perhaps you should take time to look up the meaning of the term "false dilemma". Once you've bothered to do that, I will be glad to point out to you just how thoroughly you have committed that error in your rationale.
ROFL!!! 
Ya'll have the funniest "nanny, nanny" argument going! Thanks!
Anywho, regardless of when the IR happened, there is too much in question to blame that for GW. The whole rationale is ridiculous. You have to close one eye and squint the other to make the arguments stand up.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 2:21:26 PM
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Fact: GW is a political hot potato.
Fact: What is considered meteorologically normal or average is a measured average over a statistically insignificant period of time.
Fact: Earth's temperature has shown wild swings in temperatures some lasting thousands of years.
Fact: ~625K years ago the CO2 levels were much greater than today and there was no Industrial Revolution.
Fact: Scientists once thought the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. So "scientific concensus" has been wrong before.
Fact: GW adherents reference all this "analytical data" in news reports but never do they specifically reference an actual study where others can see their methodology and more impotantly see their statistical error in their measurements.
I RUN A TESTING LABORATORY AND I KNOW THERE IS A STATISTICAL ERROR IN EVERY MEASUREMENT! Are GW adherents afraid that if we knew this error that it would be greater than the swing in temps they are trying to predict?
Fact: All GW is based on presumption and as such is more someones' "educated guess" rather than a predictable fact and given our national weather services ability to account for all variables that account for weather they can only speak in probabilities and since they can't predict tomorrow's weather accurately or next weeks. I cannot believe that they can do so 50-100 YEARS into the future!
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/5/2008 8:28:07 PM
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Ice melting from glaciers on land will raise sea levels a bit
And that's the raising they're talking about. Show me where these PhD researchers overlooked the Archimedes Principle that we all learn in Jr High science. Seriously, do you guys really think that these thousands of scientists all manage to collectively ignore something so simple? You don't think there would have been a grad student somewhere that would have said, "Ummm.... Guys..." ??? Come on. It's mindless caricatures like this that make me take the right wing as seriously as I take the ELF.
-Dan.
You're wrong, Dan. They ARE talking about melting polar ice caps raising the sea level. They talk about it in the second paragraph of the article cited. It's being repeated on network, cable and public TV, Time/Newsweek, in films (did you miss Gore's movie? How 'bout 'Water World'?). And worst of all, is being taught to our children in schools. I know this because i taught high school for 15 years. If the scientific community hasn't missed the Archimedes Principle, then they are doing a disservice to society by not screaming from the roof tops that the media, educational community and political class have mis-understood them. They're the ones risking being taken as seriously as an Elf, whatever that means.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/6/2008 3:52:48 AM
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Ice melting from glaciers on land will raise sea levels a bit
And that's the raising they're talking about. Show me where these PhD researchers overlooked the Archimedes Principle that we all learn in Jr High science. Seriously, do you guys really think that these thousands of scientists all manage to collectively ignore something so simple? You don't think there would have been a grad student somewhere that would have said, "Ummm.... Guys..." ??? Come on. It's mindless caricatures like this that make me take the right wing as seriously as I take the ELF.
-Dan.
You're wrong, Dan. They ARE talking about melting polar ice caps raising the sea level. They talk about it in the second paragraph of the article cited. It's being repeated on network, cable and public TV, Time/Newsweek, in films (did you miss Gore's movie? How 'bout 'Water World'?). And worst of all, is being taught to our children in schools. I know this because i taught high school for 15 years. If the scientific community hasn't missed the Archimedes Principle, then they are doing a disservice to society by not screaming from the roof tops that the media, educational community and political class have mis-understood them. They're the ones risking being taken as seriously as an Elf, whatever that means.
Actually the ELF he is referring to is the Earth Liberation Front - that bunch of eco-terrorists.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/6/2008 4:08:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: backrowbaptist
If the scientific community hasn't missed the Archimedes Principle, then they are doing a disservice to society by not screaming from the roof tops that the media, educational community and political class have mis-understood them.
I firmly believe that this is the case and that it's not limited to just the issue of global warming; it's systemic. On top of that, when they do come out to try to correct public perception, they often come across as arrogant and condescending, particularly with regards to subjects that are as politically charged as this (creationism/ID is another good example). IMO, there's plenty of blame to go around for this: the substandard science education in schools; parents who see little value in pushing kids towards science; politicians who develop poor educational policies; scientific bodies who spend more time talking amongst themselves than trying to engage and educate the public; talking heads and special interest groups (on BOTH sides of issues) who yell, scream, and mischaracterize their opponents' positions and capitalize on the generally poor scientific understanding of the public; the media who readily shows the loudest and most brash individuals instead of the most qualified... etc etc etc. It's indicative of the same downward path that all public discourse has taken.
It's disappointing. I'm not a scientists, but I've always been fascinated by science and our ability to study and understand the world around us. Global warming shouldn't be the political football that it's become. We as intelligent, reasonable individuals should be able to look at the evidence and see that the nut-cases on both extremes are wrong, but that there are some legitimate concerns being raised which should be addressed. If we were reasonable and responsible enough back when science starting pointing towards this problem, maybe we could have taken a more gentle, managed approach towards weaning ourselves from poor environmental practices. But instead, we give more heed to those with the loudest voices than to those with the most wisdom and expertise.
-Dan.
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Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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RE: It's NOT Global Warming! - 9/6/2008 6:27:04 PM
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backrowbaptist
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
Actually the ELF he is referring to is the Earth Liberation Front - that bunch of eco-terrorists.
Ah, got it. We know them here. They burned down a condo complex.
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